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Offline Kephapaulos

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The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
« on: August 07, 2017, 08:56:14 PM »
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  • What are the good fruits of the flat earth position? Please list them. 
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2017, 09:15:16 PM »
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  • What are the good fruits of the flat earth position? Please list them.
    That God is the author of the flat earth.
    Earth resides under the dome, with water above and hell below, literally.  
    Modern science lies about the form of the earth.  
    Relativity and relativism are the scourge of modern man with a dubious foundation in pagan heliocentric theory.  
    Scripture tells the truth regarding the form of the earth.
    The Church Fathers were not stupid or ignorant when defending flat earth.
    The Catholic Church has always taught geocentric flat earth.
    Science and flat earth reveal the truth of God.
    Heliocentrism comes from pagan roots.
    Heliocentrism denies God.
    Earth is not a globe.
    The Catholic Church has condemned heliocentrism and all related theory.
    Science belongs to God and is never at odds with the Catholic Church.
    I could go on and on, but the good fruits of flat earth are myriad.
     


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 09:24:52 PM »
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  • What about good fruits in the practical order of things? How can it focus us more on God?
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2017, 11:58:01 AM »
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  • What about good fruits in the practical order of things? How can it focus us more on God?
    Very good question. Happy to refocus.  

    *The flat earth is the basis of all things created, including the heavens.  That means, simplicity, clarity and reality remain accessible to everyone equally.  When someone is "on the level" it means they are being truthful.  Flat earth keeps everything and everyone "on the level". Literally. This applies both physically and spiritually.  No circular thinking or relative approaches because things really are as they seem. The earth is flat and motionless, as our senses tells us.  Up really is up.  It isn't a different angle for one person and another angle for another depending where they are on a globe. On a sphere, up is up for some, but down for others.  A round earth belief fosters dishonesty because it promotes circular thinking. For instance, the surface of any sum amount of water always remains level in every experiment and never curves because it seeks its own level.  Yet, with the ball earth, water surface of the oceans are understood to be curved around the outside of a sphere blasting through space at 67,000 mph and twirling at 1000mph, not to mention 2 other contradictory motions all at the same time.  This is ridiculous!  

    *Flat exposes the spherical lie that is conducive to pride, making some feel superior to others by virtue of their position on earth.  For instance, people are familiar with the term that Australians are "down under", a term Australians once considered rude.  Now that it has become common, many do not care, or even enjoy the reference, but this was not always so.  And for good reason. The suggestion is, Australia(ns) are less, below, under, by comparison to those above them.  With proper understanding of the effects of words, one can easily see this misnomer can have less than desirable effects on the way a people may be perceived.

    *Flat earth supports the literal interpretation of scripture, of Early Church Fathers, Popes and saints.  When God describes the earth as having a face, he means face, surface, plane.  Or, He is using a term that is less than accurate for the three dimensional curved section of a ball. God may use allegory and take poetic license but never with the intent or effect of contradicting Himself or His Words, let alone being inaccurate. When God says in scripture that earth is set on pillars not to be moved, He means it is a true foundation.  Not a ball hurdling through space, nor a sphere hanging mid-air, as some believe.  When God says there is a firmament above the earth, and that water rests above the firmament, and that the sun moon and stars reside within the space above earth, He means it. And it is accepted as such with flat earth.  We do not suffer from the vague notion of outer space that creates great distance from God, but know that he resides right above us both literally and spiritually.  

    *Flat earth quells the psychological repercussions from believing one is hurdling around the sun through space at 67,000, rotating at 1000 mph and exploding out from the Big Bang at 500,000 mph as modern science claims.  Such characterizations of our environment are disturbing internally at some level, even if we think it doesn't "feel" that way, and even if we don't think about it much.  Seeding chaos is the mark of the demonic and modern science spends inordinate amounts of time and money making sure we know that we know they are the arbiters of all things scientific and if they say there is life on Mars, or that man evolved from protozoa by accident, that we are flying through infinite space with limited resources, a notion conducive to population control, then we all better believe it.  Spherical earth is the re-creation of the world in the Devil's image to the advantage of the Elite. It also provides fodder for the propaganda that is used on man to control him.  Not to mention that it is driven by, in full communion with and is fully supported by the Kings of the New World Order.

    *Flat earth shows the depth and scope of the power of a lie.  One earth sized lie accomplishes many things for evil.  It alienates man from God, from His Word, from his own foundations, from reality, from hope, from understanding while it instills fear: Fear of dwindling resources, fear of catastrophic failure.  Fear of aliens coming in from distant galaxies to destroy us.  Fear of each other, because we do not have similar understanding about such phenomena.  With globe earth, there is no common ground and nothing is as it is, but only as it is perceived by the propaganda surrounding the lie. Was man created or the outcome of a Big Bang? What other creatures or humanoids are out there? One of the most hotly defended truths in the Catholic Faith is that Adam and Eve were the first parents to all men who will be saved.  The heliocentric pagan model of round earth suggests there are many worlds, with many other kinds of humanoid type beings, a demeaning tactic that undermines Catholic teaching on many levels.

    There is so much more, but for those who take the time to reflect, the relationship between man and His Creator become manifest in the flat earth.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #4 on: August 11, 2017, 04:15:53 AM »
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  • The supreme irony of this post and all of the others in the same vein is that you are posting your views on a communication device that wouldn't exist without the work and discoveries made by legions of modern scientists that you and other flat-earthers denigrate all the time. 

    Computers, the internet and instantaneous worldwide communication wouldn't exist without the work of people like Einstein, Schrodinger, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg et al. If they and their works are so evil and ungodly how do you justify using the fruits of their discoveries? You should instead be writing your opinions on parchment with a quill and sending it off with a messenger on horseback.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #5 on: August 11, 2017, 11:33:16 AM »
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  • The supreme irony of this post and all of the others in the same vein is that you are posting your views on a communication device that wouldn't exist without the work and discoveries made by legions of modern scientists that you and other flat-earthers denigrate all the time.

    Computers, the internet and instantaneous worldwide communication wouldn't exist without the work of people like Einstein, Schrodinger, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg et al. If they and their works are so evil and ungodly how do you justify using the fruits of their discoveries? You should instead be writing your opinions on parchment with a quill and sending it off with a messenger on horseback.
    Prove the internet wouldn't exist on a flat earth. In fact you cannot. No one is claiming that but you. Jumping to conclusions without facts is not Catholic, nor is it conducive to fact finding.The only way any electronics work is because earth is flat. Signals do not curve. No one is saying the products of science are intrinsically evil, rather, the imprecision of the model of round earth necessitates lying in order to explain and work within the conditions in which we live. Water cannot stick to the outside of a ball, so the perveyors of that model invented a magic force called gravity, a false theorem incapatable with math and science because it is so riddled with inconsistencies. The vacuum of space is impossible since vacuums by definition must be contained and cannot exist side by side with a non vacuum without serious separation on the grand scale required. Gyroscopes, light houses, sextants, astrolabes, sundial and bubble levels only work on the level and do not work on a globe.  The suggestion that flat earth is archaic actually works against the globe because flat earth is found in scripture, yet the globe is a more recent "discovery" is incapatible with scripture. As if the globe means progress and flat earth means we haven't learned to harness the benefits of our world. That is preposterous. 

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #6 on: August 11, 2017, 11:40:03 AM »
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  • Gravity makes no sense.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #7 on: August 11, 2017, 01:31:34 PM »
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  • The supreme irony of this post and all of the others in the same vein is that you are posting your views on a communication device that wouldn't exist without the work and discoveries made by legions of modern scientists that you and other flat-earthers denigrate all the time.

    Computers, the internet and instantaneous worldwide communication wouldn't exist without the work of people like Einstein, Schrodinger, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg et al. If they and their works are so evil and ungodly how do you justify using the fruits of their discoveries? You should instead be writing your opinions on parchment with a quill and sending it off with a messenger on horseback.
    Well, that is about the most ridiculously ignorant remark I have seen in a long while. Do you actually have any idea what you are talking about? Or have you been drinking too much?
     
    Most people complain that flat earth is a youtube born theory, and you are saying we despise technology??! Perhaps they had youtube in the middle ages?
    Here are some videos using high zoom cameras (another medieval technology)
    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/t17-objects-over-the-horizon-proofs
    Or is it just possible, sarcasm aside, that you haven't done one bit of research into flat earth?


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 10:42:15 AM »
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  • Prove the internet wouldn't exist on a flat earth.
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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 11:46:01 AM »
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  • The supreme irony of this post and all of the others in the same vein is that you are posting your views on a communication device that wouldn't exist without the work and discoveries made by legions of modern scientists that you and other flat-earthers denigrate all the time.

    Computers, the internet and instantaneous worldwide communication wouldn't exist without the work of people like Einstein, Schrodinger, Rutherford, Bohr, Heisenberg et al. If they and their works are so evil and ungodly how do you justify using the fruits of their discoveries? You should instead be writing your opinions on parchment with a quill and sending it off with a messenger on horseback.
    I have to give to Irish_Catholic.  All the inventors/scientists that developed the technology we use today from PCs/Mobile/GPS/Satellites/Weather monitoring/air travel...heck even the calculations for a mile long sniper shot involve curvature and rotation of the earth.  You can't just selectively use bits of the science and proofs to make it fit your ideology.  Lets also keep in mind it was the scholars of the Church that were the first to calculate the movement of the planets before Isaac Newton came up with the equations for the microgravity tugs of the moon vs the sun.  I believe it is foolish to think we have the full picture about science now, just as 1000 years ago, they didn't know everything back then. 

    Also to Happensby,
    "The flat earth is the basis of all things created, including the heavens.  That means, simplicity, clarity and reality remain accessible to everyone equally.  When someone is "on the level" it means they are being truthful.  Flat earth keeps everything and everyone "on the level". Literally. This applies both physically and spiritually."  
    This is literally straight from the philosophies of Free Masonry.  Its not like its a deep hidden concept.  Google the phrase and you can get that pretty much word for word out of a masonic webpage.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 01:54:43 PM »
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  • Hi roughashlar,

    It is clear you don't know much about the flat earth position. Why don't you research it first before making such wide-sweeping statements?

    Here is a good intro



    After having watched that, you should know that the technologies you mentioned have nothing to do with the curvature of the earth. There are now engineers, technicians, ballistics experts, snipers who state this very clearly. When you do your research on it, you should find this out. If you have difficultly with that, then you should shoot me a line and I will point you in the right direction.
    Eclipses neither prove nor disprove the flat earth.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 02:48:38 PM »
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    Traceroute doesn't prove the round earth! You don't know what you are talking about! Are you the IT manager for an elementary school?
    Here is an article discussing this very point. The people are attacking the flat earth, but in the end they prove YOU wrong.
    https://www.metabunk.org/undersea-cables-on-a-flat-earth.t8133/

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #12 on: August 12, 2017, 05:01:31 PM »
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  • Hi roughashlar,

    It is clear you don't know much about the flat earth position. Why don't you research it first before making such wide-sweeping statements?

    Here is a good intro 

    After having watched that, you should know that the technologies you mentioned have nothing to do with the curvature of the earth. There are now engineers, technicians, ballistics experts, snipers who state this very clearly. When you do your research on it, you should find this out. If you have difficultly with that, then you should shoot me a line and I will point you in the right direction.

    Kiwiboy,

    While we may disagree with each other on this, I do want to acknowledge you engaging me in a civil and respectful way.  That is not often done when two sides disagree on this forum.

    I have seen a number of videos, for and against the theory.  I also have now watched yours.  I am not going to pretend that I get every concept and google, copy and paste rebuttals...i'm sure that has already been done back and forth.  I'll just mention a few things, in your video and with the concept that I have a hard time with.

    1) The idea that all the astronauts and were hypnotized or really good actors.
    2) The international space station is a holographic projection...so everyone is ok with communication, weather and gps satellites in space, but everything else coming from NASA is false.
    3) Being able to prove a couple points doesn't shatter the entire global (pun intended) system.  Proving one thing right or wrong doesn't validate then entire opposite theory.
    4) What is being implied here is that anyone that has a higher degree in the sciences is in on this vast conspiracy.  Nautical and aviation instructors, geologist, meteorologist, paleontologist, and scientists dating back hundreds of years have all been in on this monumental conspiracy.

    Sorry friend, but I'm going to have to agree to disagree.

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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 02:33:06 PM »
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  • For me, being able to disregard the notion that I was spinning at 1000 mph on a globe earth, with that globe spinning at 67,000 mph around the sun, being in a galaxy traveling at 670,000,000 mph -- made me feel distant from God.

    Now that I know about the freemasonic roots of NASA, the freemasonic backgrounds of the astronauts who allegedly went to the moon, the numerous anomalies surrounding the alleged moon landing, the murder of John Glenn -- and as I recalled all the lies I was "taught" in college and grad school -- I began to research the issue with an open mind.

    After reading that the Church fathers taught a flat earth
    http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/07/the-biblical-flat-earth-early-church.html

    and much more research, I now am much closer to God. He is up there in heaven; I am down here on earth. I have rejected the lies of the mystery of iniquity.


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    Re: The Fruits of the Flat Earth Position
    « Reply #14 on: August 14, 2017, 03:12:54 PM »
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    Sorry, this is no answer. Unless you're a prophet or a very special analyst, you should refrain from making unsubstantiated predictions.

     

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