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Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #565 on: January 28, 2018, 11:14:47 AM »
The forms of geocentrism that dominated Christendom and the West did not include a flat earth.  The two most influential thinkers who promoted geocentrism were Aristotle and Ptolemy who both taught the earth is a sphere.  This is not obscure or controversial information. I have shown this with quotes from various sources, but you ignore/reject them all.  Don't you have some sort of reference work on history that you accept?  You could look this up for yourself.

But even if you reject this historical fact, you are responding to Meg's statement that the author of the thread is a supporter of geocentrism rather than flat-earthism.  The "author of the thread" may refer to the poster cantatedomino who started the thread or author of THE EARTHMOVERS which is being quoted here.  I am not sure which she meant, but both supported geocentrism with a spherical earth so it does not matter.  This is clear to anyone who reads the first page of the thread.
You said:
The forms of geocentrism that dominated Christendom and the West did not include a flat earth.  
Excuse me?  And you know this how?  Your proof? You have no proof.  In fact, the next sentence explains plenty. " The two most influential thinkers who promoted geocentrism were Aristotle and Ptolemy who both taught the earth is a sphere." Aristotle and Ptolemy had nothing to do with Christendom and their sphere theory reflects that. Further, as Wiki points out:  "Ptolemy wrote in Greek and can be shown to have utilized Babylonian astronomical data."
Ahem. Ptolemy was just another pagan occultist.
Also, Wiki goes on to say: "The maps look distorted when compared to modern maps, because Ptolemy's data were inaccurate."  As well as, "Ptolemy has been referred to as “a pro-astrological authority of the highest magnitude” and "Ptolemy's astrological outlook was quite practical: he thought that astrology was like medicine,..."
So, not only was Ptolemy a demonic pagan, his data was inaccurate.  With inaccurate data, what good was he?  Anyone who believed him was duped.  Ptolemy used false math and astrology to turn the stationary earth into a globe so the next pagan could spin it.  None of this proves geocentric models prior to Ptolemy taught earth was a globe.  

Offline Meg

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #566 on: January 28, 2018, 11:16:44 AM »
Why do you say that it was geocentrism and not flat earth ism?  Geocentrism included a flat stationary earth.  Heliocentrism has always included moving planets (stars). The first sentence gives a clue "planet-earth" , tying it in with the occult.  
THE EARTHMOVERS: The cult of the sun as master of ‘planet-earth’ originated in the main from the occult convictions of the post Noachian-flood Egyptians (2,941BC).

I said geocentrism and not flat earthism because the person who started the thread does not appear to support the flat earth (yet). I thought I made that clear in my previous post, that you quoted.

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to bring back this old thread, but there appears to be some occult support for new scientific thought. If you would like to speak further to that, it may help to clear things up. That's the reason I posted what I did, regarding this thread. I don't support geocentric globe earthism. Sorry for the confusion. 

Maybe you can say more about the quote you mentioned above....."The Earthmovers: the cult of the sun as master of 'planet-earth' originated in the main from the occult convictions of the post-Noachian flood Egyptians." 


Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #567 on: January 28, 2018, 11:24:54 AM »
There was never an official Church teaching about round earth geocentrism, but this is what was taught at the universities.  Since these were medieval Catholic institutions, it is reasonable to refer to that as Church support.  

There was no consensus among the Church Fathers on the shape of the earth.  Some believed it to be flat and some round.

If by "wider population" you mean the uneducated people, it is difficult to determine what they believed.  They did not leave records about what they thought of the shape of the earth or if they thought about it at all. While I agree there is no evidence to show that they accepted the round earth, neither is there evidence they believed it to be flat.
Again, you say stuff without proof.  As if the popular notions of any era made theory into fact.  There is no reason to believe the Church supported pagan astrology.  In fact, it is well proven that the Church was silenced by historical revisionism.  Look who people like yourself turn to for cosmological information these days: Aristotle, Plato, Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Kepler, Einstein...100% of which were astrological heliocentric spherical pagan air bags.  Further proof: Everyone thought Galileo was right.  Turns out all modern belief of the Affair is erroneous and the result of revisionism.      

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #568 on: January 28, 2018, 11:28:30 AM »
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Yes, thank you so much!
Especially for this paragraph:
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"For hundreds of years now, so certain are we that the earth spins and orbits the sun like a planet, nobody needs or wants proof or verification for it anymore. Even now, any suggestion that the universe could be geocentric and geostatic always generates curious incredulity followed by derision and laughter. Even being asked to entertain the idea is a challenge to one’s intellectual ego, like being asked to believe the earth is flat. Thus, like a magic spell, the Hermetic cosmology has a grip on the human mind in the same manner as addictive illusionary substances have on the drug-addict."
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It's great to see an ex-flat-earther no longer wanting to be a drug-addict.   :applause:
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That's nothing but an emotional rant.  You should watch the movie The Principle to understand the true scientific status of geocentrism.

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #569 on: January 28, 2018, 11:31:00 AM »
I said geocentrism and not flat earthism because the person who started the thread does not appear to support the flat earth (yet). I thought I made that clear in my previous post, that you quoted.

Maybe it wasn't a good idea to bring back this old thread, but there appears to be some occult support for new scientific thought. If you would like to speak further to that, it may help to clear things up. That's the reason I posted what I did, regarding this thread. I don't support geocentric globe earthism. Sorry for the confusion.

Maybe you can say more about the quote you mentioned above....."The Earthmovers: the cult of the sun as master of 'planet-earth' originated in the main from the occult convictions of the post-Noachian flood Egyptians."
No worries Meg, you're doing a wonderful job.   In some ways, that quote says it all.  This whole argument is based in the war between the Church and the occult.  I think its stunning when someone who has no knowledge of flat earth like Fr. Ripperger comes out and says something as poignant as this:
"People's denial of the knowledge of God, or that you can come to a knowledge of God, is rooted in certain metaphysical problems in relationship to reality. The common teaching among philosophers is, What your cosmology is, how you view the physical world, the world around you, will determine what your understand of what actually God is.  Due to modern philosophers, People's understanding of the real world has degraded their ability to actually understand things about God by the natural light of reason."