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Offline Neil Obstat

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #560 on: January 27, 2018, 09:32:19 PM »
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Yes, thank you so much!
Especially for this paragraph:
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"For hundreds of years now, so certain are we that the earth spins and orbits the sun like a planet, nobody needs or wants proof or verification for it anymore. Even now, any suggestion that the universe could be geocentric and geostatic always generates curious incredulity followed by derision and laughter. Even being asked to entertain the idea is a challenge to one’s intellectual ego, like being asked to believe the earth is flat. Thus, like a magic spell, the Hermetic cosmology has a grip on the human mind in the same manner as addictive illusionary substances have on the drug-addict." 
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It's great to see an ex-flat-earther no longer wanting to be a drug-addict.   :applause:
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Offline happenby

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #561 on: January 27, 2018, 09:48:48 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 19, 2018, 04:55:44 PM
I found this old thread that discusses the effect of hermeticism and occultism on new scientific thought. I hadn't realized before that hermeticism in particular has had an influence such as this. Though the author of the thread is a supporter of geocentrism, rather than the flat earth, there might be some good info here.
Why do you say that it was geocentrism and not flat earth ism?  Geocentrism included a flat stationary earth.  Heliocentrism has always included moving planets (stars). The first sentence gives a clue "planet-earth" , tying it in with the occult. 
THE EARTHMOVERS: The cult of the sun as master of ‘planet-earth’ originated in the main from the occult convictions of the post Noachian-flood Egyptians (2,941BC).
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Offline Jaynek

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #562 on: January 28, 2018, 05:48:21 AM »
Quote from: happenby on January 27, 2018, 09:48:48 PM
Why do you say that it was geocentrism and not flat earth ism?  Geocentrism included a flat stationary earth.  Heliocentrism has always included moving planets (stars). 
The forms of geocentrism that dominated Christendom and the West did not include a flat earth.  The two most influential thinkers who promoted geocentrism were Aristotle and Ptolemy who both taught the earth is a sphere.  This is not obscure or controversial information. I have shown this with quotes from various sources, but you ignore/reject them all.  Don't you have some sort of reference work on history that you accept?  You could look this up for yourself.

But even if you reject this historical fact, you are responding to Meg's statement that the author of the thread is a supporter of geocentrism rather than flat-earthism.  The "author of the thread" may refer to the poster cantatedomino who started the thread or author of THE EARTHMOVERS which is being quoted here.  I am not sure which she meant, but both supported geocentrism with a spherical earth so it does not matter.  This is clear to anyone who reads the first page of the thread.
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Offline kiwiboy

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #563 on: January 28, 2018, 08:21:34 AM »
It is a lie to say that the Church supported round earth geocentrism.

When you take into account that the Church Fathers supported flat earth, and then that the wider population historically accepted the flat earth, it is the more reasonable deduction that the round earth only started to make serious intellectual strides in the middle ages, and only then in limited doses. There is no evidence to show that the wider population in the middle ages accepted the round earth.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #564 on: January 28, 2018, 08:43:48 AM »
Quote from: kiwiboy on January 28, 2018, 08:21:34 AM
It is a lie to say that the Church supported round earth geocentrism.

When you take into account that the Church Fathers supported flat earth, and then that the wider population historically accepted the flat earth, it is the more reasonable deduction that the round earth only started to make serious intellectual strides in the middle ages, and only then in limited doses. There is no evidence to show that the wider population in the middle ages accepted the round earth.
There was never an official Church teaching about round earth geocentrism, but this is what was taught at the universities.  Since these were medieval Catholic institutions, it is reasonable to refer to that as Church support.  

There was no consensus among the Church Fathers on the shape of the earth.  Some believed it to be flat and some round.

If by "wider population" you mean the uneducated people, it is difficult to determine what they believed.  They did not leave records about what they thought of the shape of the earth or if they thought about it at all. While I agree there is no evidence to show that they accepted the round earth, neither is there evidence they believed it to be flat.
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