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Stella · « **Reply #75 on:** January 27, 2014, 05:32:36 PM »

The excerpt is on page 11, 2nd installment, 5th paragraph, which begins with, "Today, two hundred and fifty years..."

God bless.

roscoe · « **Reply #76 on:** January 27, 2014, 05:55:09 PM »

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #77 on:** January 27, 2014, 06:33:26 PM »

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This topic is brand new in my formerly Stella-centric universe, and I am finding it fascinating.

A couple of drive-by comments.

- I was struck by the excerpt comparing the moving of the Tabernacle from the center of the altar, to the "moving" of the Earth from the center of the universe. The disorientation caused by the former is incalculable.

- In some monasteries, when the words, "And the Word was made flesh," is recited during the Angelus, the monks or nuns kiss the floor. The reason is to emphasize the reality of God, the Second Person of the Trinity, having set His feet on this earth, has made all the Earth hallowed ground. Seems logical that that ground also would be the center of the universe.

Carry on.

That's very interesting. Where did you read that? What was the page number? Which chapter was it in? What was the context?

Quote from: Stella

The excerpt is on page 11, 2nd installment, 5th paragraph, which begins with, "Today, two hundred and fifty years..."

God bless.

Thank you, Stella!

That would be CURRENTLY, post number 51 (with no page number).

When you say "page number 11," Stella, that could change, as it did about a year ago when Matthew downgraded the page display from 10 to 5. He could do it again to something like 4, in which case that would then be page number 13 to which you refer; or to 3, in which case it would change to page number 17 to which you refer; or to 2, in which case it would change to page number 26 to which you refer, for examples.

He could downgrade the default to one post per page. Hopefully though, he won't ever set it to zero posts per page.

Of course, I say "currently" because, we are presuming no posts before it in this thread get deleted or added, (after which all the subsequent post numbers would then change accordingly):

Post #51

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This revolution was also applied to Catholic theology under the guise of neo-scholasticism to make it look Catholic. As a direct consequence of accepting the heliocentric and evolutionary worldview, a new synthesis with doctrine and dogma was thought necessary, for having perverted, abandoned and deprived the Church of its scholastic exegeses and theologically based philosophy by conceding to the new ‘sciences,’ the Copernicans thereby created a vacuum, inviting a novel theology to fill it.

A version of this new Hermetic theology - the dream of Giordano Bruno and Tommaso Campanella (1568–1639) of the 16th and 17th century, the ‘development of doctrine’ as they called it - was begun in the main by John Henry Newman (1801-1890), Cardinal Mercier (1851-1926), Canon Henry de Dorlodot (1865-1929), the Jesuit Karl Rahner, Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac, Joseph Ratzinger (1927- ) and many other modernist reformers of the 20th century, a system of thought taken to bizarre heights by the new age advocate Fr Teilhard de Chardin (1881-1955), a Jesuit priest who taught a Luciferian mindset; that Catholicism is not the only way to God.

The modernist takeover was completed at Vatican II, when one after the other the post-Vatican II popes elected were modernist.

When pragmatic churchmen, consciously or in ignorance, tried to marry heliocentric ‘certainty’ with the truth of Revelation, that is, tried to have the best of both worlds, trying to mix the teaching of the Church with the scientific ideas and fancies of the intellectual Hermetic, neo-Gnostic Earthmovers and sun fixers and their progeny, the long-age evolutionists and relativists, they plunged most Catholic teaching institutions into the camp of the modernists and Modernism, putting the faith of Catholics at risk, including the very credibility of Catholicism among the Church’s enemies and even within the flock itself.

Today, two hundred and fifty years after capitulating to Copernicanism, and sixty years after the Fathers of Vatican II consciously and deliberately condemned their predecessors who adhered to the 1616 decree as troublemakers, the Church’s reputation is now in shreds, its influence on world affairs is zero, its traditional teachings and doctrines rejected, perverted and ignored, its miracles and sainthood diminished, its sacraments devalued, its liturgy in chaos, forever undergoing revision, what is left of its priesthood and religious decimated and damaged by scandals, few seminaries and convents remain because of the dearth of vocations, many of its chapels and churches are shut up or near-empty, cleared of their sacramentals, tabernacles removed from the centre of the altars as the earth was removed from the centre of the world, others refurbished like shopping-centres, denuded of the sacred, the Vatican is now in the news more for its secular comment and ecuмenism than traditional teaching, and popes are now writing more books than church docuмents as well as having acquired the status of travelling pop-star celebrities. In effect, much of the institutional Church today is little more than an empty shell of its past, with salvation for all now preached in its churches, baptised or not in the name of Jesus Christ, in effect rendering the mission of the Church redundant.

Finally, Vatican II’s failure on all fronts has resulted in endless calls for renewal by clergy who don’t know where the Church is coming from or going to.

In 1965 that public was reading 'The Great Heresy' by the eminent Belgian philosopher Marcel De Corte, in which he defined the new orientations as “a spiritual degradation more profound than anything the Church has experienced in history, a cancerous sickness in which the cells multiply fast in order to destroy what is healthy in the Catholic Church;" he called them "an attempt to transform the kingdom of God into the kingdom of Man, to substitute for the Church consecrated to the worship of God, a Church dedicated to the cult of humanity. This is the most dreadful, the most terrible of heresies.” (The Angelus Online: December 1978.)

That should actually say, "baptized or not in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," instead of, "...in the name of Jesus Christ," because anyone baptized in "the name of Jesus Christ" is not baptized at all.

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McFiggly · « **Reply #78 on:** January 27, 2014, 07:35:24 PM »

This is excellent, cantatedomino. I especially apppreciate how the author has linked heliocentrism/Copernicanism with Hermeticism/Occultism. This is a very important point to make: to insist on their being a link between they spiritual and the physical. Many Modernists want us to believe that Religion and Science are separate and that what is taught as Science has no relation to what is taught in Religion, which is an absurd notion. Heliocentrism/Copernicanism has had a drastic influence on our civilization; it was in large part the intellectual fuel for the satanic French Revolution. How you picture the Universe has a great impact on how you interpret everything, which includes both religion and morality. I'm convinced that what keeps a lot of people from even considering the Catholic Faith today is that the Copernican view of the Universe and the Darwinian view of the origins of life has such sway over their minds. The very idea of "God" is criticized by modern secularists as being "solipsistic", because for them the Universe is essentially desolate and meaningless and the fate of humanity is governed largely by chance; they cannot imagine that human beings have an important place in the Universe, to them the idea is offensive. It's no wonder that godlessness and immorality have spread when people believe themselves to be a small step above monkeys in a world that is completely indifferent to them. It's no wonder that our art and architecture has become so vulgar and nihilistic.
The importance of this issue cannot be stressed enough.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #79 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:43:41 PM »

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The very idea of "God" is criticized by modern secularists as being "solipsistic", because for them the Universe is essentially desolate and meaningless and the fate of humanity is governed largely by chance;

McFiggly, where did you see solipsism mentioned in The Earthmovers, sofar?
I don't recall seeing it.

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McFiggly · « **Reply #80 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:18:55 AM »

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The very idea of "God" is criticized by modern secularists as being "solipsistic", because for them the Universe is essentially desolate and meaningless and the fate of humanity is governed largely by chance;

McFiggly, where did you see solipsism mentioned in The Earthmovers, sofar?
I don't recall seeing it.

It's a comment that I've heard the atheist Christopher Hitchens make a number of times, and considering the following and influence that the man has I presume that many agree with what he says.

Here's an image that summarizes their argument:

You see, in the Copernican picture of the Universe shown here, it does seem, at first glance and to those who have not been taught the rudiments of theology, ridiculous that God would take interest in the actions of an insignificant race of supermonkeys that have gathered upon an insiginificant pebble. For many people, that's the nihilism and apathy that is inherent to the Copernican view of the Universe.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #81 on:** January 28, 2014, 04:12:58 AM »

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Uhh... I think we're supposed to stick to THE EARTHMOVERS in this thread, McFiggly.

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cantatedomino · « **Reply #82 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:08:12 PM »

Quote from: Stella

This topic is brand new in my formerly Stella-centric universe, and I am finding it fascinating.

A couple of drive-by comments.

- I was struck by the excerpt comparing the moving of the Tabernacle from the center of the altar, to the "moving" of the Earth from the center of the universe. The disorientation caused by the former is incalculable.

- In some monasteries, when the words, "And the Word was made flesh," is recited during the Angelus, the monks or nuns kiss the floor. The reason is to emphasize the reality of God, the Second Person of the Trinity, having set His feet on this earth, has made all the Earth hallowed ground. Seems logical that that ground also would be the center of the universe.

Carry on.

So happy to hear you are benefiting from reading this material.

And now, I carry on . . .

:pc:

cantatedomino · « **Reply #83 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:15:28 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Introduction

Put on the armour of God that you may be able to stand up to the wiles of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the Principalities and Powers, against the spiritual forces of wickedness on high.- - - St Paul (Eph, ch.6, 10-12.)

No illusion as momentous as the Earthmovers’ revolution in both faith and science happens by chance. Such things are made to happen. Anyone who believes human history in any sphere is a series of spontaneous happenings lives in a fantasy world. According to the same Catholic Church that is caught up in the Copernican revolution there is a conflict of Principalities and Powers ongoing, and this is at the root of everything of importance that happens in our world in both Church and State.

In such a contest, long-term plans are crucial, and ‘conspiracy’ is often the modus operandi. When world domination of humanity, of our minds, souls and allegiances, with eternal consequences is the ‘game,’ then there are no simple happenings in such a struggle. This conflict began with Adam and Eve in the beginning of the world and will continue to its end. With this in mind, it is time to set out the theme of our thesis, our assessment as to why; who and how this heresy led even the elect astray. (Matthew 24:24: For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.)

Up to the present, the history of the Galileo case has never been told in the context of a cosmic order beyond the realm of science to know for sure. As we showed in our preface, Galileo and his belief have never been proven true. But now we do just that, adding some ‘meat’ that demonstrates how things function on the Melchisedech plane of combat, facilitating the martial decree of Genesis 3:15.

First we ask why? The heavens and earth, the Christian faith tells us, were created for the honour and glory of God. And God, it further says, can be known from reasoning on the order and beauty of His material universe. This order was once simple. The earth was the pivot around which the universe, with its majestic movements of sun, moon, planets and stars, wheeled. Seen accordingly, man’s spiritual nature saw that this unique place in the universe for us confirms a divine rather than a natural cause for such uniqueness.

Once belief in God was established by reason, then mankind would be more favourable to the revelation, prophesy and history He prepared and delivered for our redemption.

As one reads on in the first few verses of Genesis, the astonishing multiplication and diversity of beings are depicted…Thus is constituted the great liturgical hymn of the created universe, this vast glittering chandelier of existence praised by Chesterton, which is a community of beings diverse and unequal, each manifesting in some manner certain divine perfections, whether in brilliant luminosity or muted tones. As St Thomas remarks, the astonishing contrasts and curiosities that populate God’s splendid art are one with his purpose, which is to communicate His perfections to creatures in the greatest possible measure. (Dr. M. Berton: The Angelus, May 1994.)

To believers in Genesis then, no image, no order, was ever more beautiful or thoughtful. This order of the world, Revelation tells us, was like every other order created by God, hierarchic, with the earth as the first and central creation of the visible, material universe. Only then were created celestial bodies subservient to it, the moon, the sun, and the stars. The purpose of this order was to accommodate the greatest act of God’s love, the creation and sustenance of human beings, made in His image, with our immortal spiritual and intellectual souls. After the Fall of Adam and Eve, it is fitting that His divine plan for our redemption - the Incarnation and death on the Cross of God become man Jesus Christ - should be enacted at the centre of His Creation, on His footstool as the Scriptures describe the earth.

Is it any wonder then that the sacred doctrine of geocentrism with its inherent anthropocentrism [Man-centred world, universe or cosmos] was developed from the dawn of our existence? From the very beginning, man gazed into the vast sight that is open in the sky above and pondered on the glittering configurations we see there. Therein the human race found the signs of God. In the same way, was it not fitting that a star in the heavens be used to lead the three Kings to Christ, the Second Person of the Triune God, born as man in a stable at Bethlehem? Finally, is it not prophesised that the final sign for all mankind shall come from these same heavens, when an instant visible desolation of the stars, sun and moon will signal the end of the world and the second coming of Christ?

According to Flavius Josephus’s 'Jєωιѕн Antiquities,' the descendants of Adam’s son Seth, unlike the wicked progeny of Cain who revelled in depravity and brigandage, were virtuous men who lived in peace and prosperity, and discovered the “knowledge of the heavens and their ordered arrangement.”…A few pages later, after telling the story of the Deluge, Josephus returns to the Patriarchs, the generations from Adam to Noah, remarking that their great ages should not seem unbelievable just because no one lives that long today. There were good reasons. First because they were beloved of God and were creatures of God Himself, and then because they had a diet [climate and environment] conducive to longevity. Finally, on account of their virtue and for the sake of the usefulness of their knowledge of astronomy and geometry, God gave them a long life, for they could have foretold nothing with certainty unless they lived for 600 years, the period of the completion of a “great year.” …He also accepts Josephus’s claim that it was through the study of the stars [planets], indeed of the irregularity of their motions, that Abraham was led to knowledge of the true God, for their irregularity shows that they move, not by their own will, but for our benefit in service to a commanding power. (N. M. Swerdlow: ‘Astronomical Chronology and prophecy: Jean-Dominique Cassini’s discovery of Josephus’s great lunisolar period of the Patriarchs,’ Journal of the Warburg and Courtauld Institutes, Vol. 53, 1990, pp.1-3.)
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cantatedomino · « **Reply #84 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:19:36 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Cassini’s illustrated tracking of the planets - what Abraham saw as a sign of God. On the left, as observed from the earth, we have the apparent movements of Saturn in twenty-nine years, Jupiter in twelve years and Mars in two years. On the right we have the apparent movements of Mercury over seven years.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #85 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:21:50 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Next we come to the tricky question, who instigated the philosophical and scientific war against man’s true place in the universe? Who was/is the leader of the rationalists and their long successful illusion over the combined intelligence of mankind?

To know and believe in this master conspirator and liar better, we remain with Christian Revelation, even though such a means of knowledge some accept, while others, even within Christianity itself now, cannot, do not, or will not. Nevertheless, we talk of Lucifer, known also as Satan or the Devil, (Lucifer or Satan, the alter-light, called the ‘Father of Lies,’ the Serpent or the Devil, who, because of pride, led one third of the angels in the first apostasy against God. This is recorded in the ‘Apocalypse,’ the last book of the Bible) an angel of the order of Cherubim, (interpreted by St Thomas Aquinas as ‘fullness of knowledge’) one chosen and placed above all the other angels, a spiritual creature of unimaginable intelligence, created by God in the beginning, but who choose not to serve, and more so when it was revealed to him this would include assisting in the well-being of the only creatures created of matter and spirit (immortal soul) – humanity, especially Mary, the Mother of Jesus Christ, God become man.

All this was more than Lucifer could accept, for doing God’s bidding and serving matter in any form was repugnant to his enormous pride. Now if there is a devil such as Satan, intent on usurping the influence of a personal triune Creator within the minds and hearts of all rational, free-willed intellectual creatures, we must concede that the geocentric experience, that visible relationship and understanding between God, the universe, earth, and mankind, could not expect to be left intact by this demon hell-bent on tearing this union apart. From the very beginning, Satan knew that to attack the unique immobile footstool of Creation and Revelation was to begin an assault on the Holy Throne, God Himself.

Under the guise of ‘science,’ this master conspirator saw a wooden horse that could be used to damage the faith from within.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #86 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:26:24 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: So, how did Lucifer with his worldly help deceive even the elect of an entity infinitely more powerful than he? A study of Hermetic gnosis has shown us the kind of deceit involved:

[The kind that] cannot be taught by speech, nor learnt by hearing. Knowledge differing greatly from sense perception…. Knowledge is incorporeal; the organ which it uses is the mind itself; and the mind is contrary to the body. (G. Hancock and R. Bauval: Talisman, Michael Joseph, 2004, p.181.)

‘Differing greatly from sense perception?’ It is here we recall the words of St Paul: For the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made. [Rom. 1:20]

This dogma, that God can be known from human reason, surely relies on the senses, with first and foremost eyesight, the things that can be clearly seen. All, except the poor blind, are blessed with eyesight. All saw and continue to see a geocentric world. Without doubt, the geocentric world that can be clearly seen has to top St Paul’s list of things that point to a Creator. It did so for thousands of years until men deliberately set out to blind us all. How then can this geocentric world be taken from us? By way of the mind of course, and once inserted, it becomes the reality, as it has today, in spite of its disagreement to the senses and science properly so-called.

And how did this mind-bending work? Well it was a matter of dividing and balancing, creating a psychological equilibrium and consensus, irresistible to the human mind. They first neutralised the obvious, that is, presented an alternative, in this case heliocentrism, just as Copernicus and Galileo did, putting our globe of life on par with the lifeless planets. Then, as it says in Francis Bacon’s Shakespeare: When two things weigh equally, a feather will tilt the balance. (Shakespeare’s Measure for Measure. Act IV, sc. 2. The Ma’at ostrich feather of truth?) The ‘feathers’ of course, are those of the Illuminati, the occult societies, those who implement the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. Freemasons rising through the ranks are taught the art of creating a false equilibrium, made possible by removing absolutes and certainty, replacing them with mental illusions. Their equilibrium is a dichotomous concept, ‘the philosopher’s favourite task, the apparent reconciliation of the irreconcilable,’ implying opposites which are somehow to be reconciled or balanced, resulting in acceptable contradiction and paradox gaining parity with truth.

As I have said elsewhere, the first doctrinal principle of the religion of copernicanism-darwinism-satanism is intellectual contradiction.

In his opus, Morals and Dogma of 1871, Albert Pike (1809-1891), the Grand Master of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, spelled out clearly how the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr equilibrium was achieved:

Science perishes by systems that are nothing but beliefs; and Faith succuмbs to reasoning. For the two Columns of the Temple… must remain separated and be parallel to each other…. Harmony is the result of an alternating preponderance of forces. - - - Morals and Dogma, p.306.

Science perishes by systems that are nothing but beliefs; and Faith succuмbs to reasoning. And how was this achieved? Well, knowing they were unable to fix the sun or move the earth from the centre of the cosmos with their telescopes and observations, the Earthmovers conspired instead to achieve their aims by means of intellectual stealth. First were founded scientific academies and institutions like the Accademia dei Lincei of Rome in 1603 and the Royal Society of London for the Promotion of Natural Knowledge in 1660, to pursue, solidify and craft a consensus-edifice that could be upheld by their own primal dogma of equilibrium manifesting and packaged as an alternating preponderance of opposing forces or contrasting perceptions.

Their intent was to provide ‘science’ with a ruling authority, answerable to nobody but themselves of course, just as Catholicism has its supreme authority in Rome. It was these same astronomers, physicists, scientists and especially philosophers - mainly Rosicrucians and Freemasons in the beginning - who decided what was scientifically acceptable as true and what was not. In their docuмents and utterances we will show their hatred for the philosophical theology of the Church based on Revelation that married both faith and reason to achieve the ultimate truth. This is why they declared for heliocentrism as it emerged without any proof at all and vowed to establish it as a truth for all to believe. That is not science, but a doctrine under the guise of natural philosophy. Thereafter they propagated where they could the idea of a fixed sun and moving earth, and when published in 1687, endorsed Newton’s Principia, his ‘physics of the mind,’ or his ‘theoretical proof’ as some rightly call his theory of universal gravity, as a ‘law’ that cannot be challenged.

Then, by means of mathematical formulae on paper and some ‘consequent’ trickery, Foucault’s Pendulum being one such example, the Illuminati declared their ‘metaphysical doctrine’ a proven fact and most in Church and State believed them, and still do in spite of the fraud having been exposed since at least 1905.

Today even the Church now has its Pontifical Academy of Sciences, filled of course with Copernican, uniformitarian and evolutionary atheists, agnostics and scientists of every faith, all continuing the work described by Albert Pike long ago.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #87 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:28:05 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: The consequences for the Catholic faith as a result of the Copernican revolution were/are devastating. In his book, B. J. Gibbins quotes William Shea, arguing that; ‘The Scientific Revolution consecrated a new method that was slowly to transform a civilisation organised around Christianity into one centred on science.’ Mr Gibbins adds:

We might assume that this occurred by a simple process in which the scientific world-view grew by rejecting the religious one. This is the model of change posited by William Huffmann when he says “a new paradigm replaces the old by a process of total negation.” Marx’s representation of the historical change, however, would seem to be more realistic: the new order grows in the womb of the old and the conditions of one epoch actively develop those of the next. The modern, secularised world-view was nurtured by the religious consciousness of modern Europe. Robert Merton, for example, argued that Puritanism and Pietism played a role in modern science. With Pietism however, we are coming close to the occult philosophy and it is possible that early modern esotericism was of special importance in preparing the way for the Scientific Revolution. Frances Yates has argued that Renaissance Hermeticism is one of the contexts in which we can place the origins of modern science. (B. J. Gibbons: Spirituality and the Occult, Routledge, 2001, p.40.)

Again we recall the prophetic words of Pope Urban VIII when he warned that acceptance of the Copernican heresy would put the Catholic faith in danger. We see above historians agreeing that a scientific world-view has now replaced a religious one. Soon we will show how freemasonic Hermetism and indeed Protestantism laid down the foundation for this scientific revolution. The most poignant observation above however, is the analogy of the womb. When churchmen placed the Galilean heresy into the womb of the Church from 1741-1835, a new epoch began.

Among the sciences, the mathematical ones are those which have taken the more false and disastrous direction. They were the first to be included in the assault of the philosophers against Christianity; they have become deadly weapons in the hands of impiety and pride; they have broken every restraint; they have unchained all the passions; they have eroded the foundations of society and order. (Giacchino Ventura (1824): quoted by Massimo Mazzotti in his article The Geometers of God, ISIS review, vol. 89, 1998; p.674.)

cantatedomino · « **Reply #88 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:31:13 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Next we come to Pike’s ‘Faith succuмbs to reason.’ The faith in this case of course is belief in the revelations of the Scriptures (theology). The faith is the acceptance of the unanimous interpretation of the Fathers. The faith is adherence to the papal decree of 1616 that defined a fixed sun belief as formal heresy. The faith includes a belief in the ability and intention of an omnipotent God to create a geocentric world. When science claimed proof for heliocentrism, all the above faith succuмbed to manipulated reasoning.

In 1905 however, relative movement in space was accepted, forcing science to give up the pretence that it could prove the order of the heavens. Moreover, it was admitted that science had never vindicated Galileo. This of course confirmed the 1616 decree was one of Catholic faith, ‘a secret of nature,’ for Catholic faith believes in non-provable things; otherwise the evidence would compel belief anyway. Nevertheless, faith in reason became far more credible than Catholic faith and evolutionary heliocentrism remained the belief of science.

Given we do know the planets turn around the sun; the probability that the earth could be included with the planets was too ‘reasonable’ for even popes to doubt or reject. And that is how Catholic faith in the literal interpretation of a fixed earth and moving sun, upheld by the Fathers and that papal decree, succuмbed to human reasoning, just as Pike stated.

But now let us see an example of this false equilibrium in action in the Church. It came in Pope John Paul II’s acceptance speech of the Galileo commission’s findings in Rome 1992. Before that, let us recall a matter known only to a few. Having read the text of a speech given on May 9, 1983 by the Pope about the Galileo study’s brief, Walter van der Kamp (1913-98) of the Tychonian Society in America wrote to him and advised him that Galileo’s heliocentric theory cannot be proven or even verified by science because of the problem of relative movement in space. In his letter van der Kamp implored the Pope to be considerate of this prevailing fact that allows the Church of the seventeenth century to be defended in that we now know science has never falsified the Fathers’ interpretation of Scripture.

Rome acknowledged receiving the letter and assured him that its contents had been ‘noted.’ Alas, in spite of this advice, in the Pope’s speech below, the equilibrium is spun once again. Had it been any other pope prior to the Vatican II embrace of the modern world, the truth might have won out. But with this pope, De Labore Solis, we are talking about a man obsessed with modernist philosophies, theologies and ideas. Hereunder then is the heliocentric equilibrium of Pope John Paul II with regard to Galileo:

(5) A twofold question is at the heart of the debate of which Galileo was the centre. The first is of the epistemological order and concerns biblical hermeneutics. In the first place, like most of his adversaries, Galileo made no distinction between the scientific approach to natural phenomena and a reflection on nature, of the philosophical order, which that approach calls for. That is why he rejected the suggestion made to him to present the Copernican system as a hypothesis, inasmuch as it had not been confirmed by irrefutable proof. Such therefore, was an exigency of the experimental method of which he was the inspired founder.

(9) Before Bellarmine, this same wisdom and respect for the divine Word guided St Augustine when he wrote: “If it happens that the authority of Sacred Scripture is set in opposition to clear and certain reasoning, this must mean that the person who interprets Scripture does not understand it correctly.”

(11) In Galileo's time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. [And it remains inconceivable to me.] And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated in the earth or the sun. Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology neither of these two reference points have the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them…

(13) What is important in a scientific or philosophic theory is above all that it should be true or, at least, seriously and solidly grounded. And the purpose of your Academy is precisely to discern and to make known, in the present state of science and within its proper limits, what can be regarded as an acquired truth or at least as enjoying such a degree of probability that it would be imprudent and unreasonable to reject it. In this way unnecessary conflicts can be avoided. - - - Pope John Paul II, 1992.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #89 on:** January 28, 2014, 03:33:57 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: In November 1979, at a meeting of the Pontifical Academy of Science reported in L’Osservatore Romano, Pope John Paul II called for a ‘deep harmony that unites the truths of science with the truths of faith.’ But in his 1992 speech the truth of ‘faith’ is not found once, not mentioned once, no faith in the omnipotence of God even capable of creating a geocentric and geostatic universe, no faith in this revelation of Scripture, no faith in the unanimous interpretation of the Fathers, no faith in the Church’s divine protection when it defines the word of Scripture, no faith in the decree of his 17th century predecessor Pope Paul V nor faith in the judgement of Pope Urban VIII in 1633. None at all, for adherence to human reasoning took total precedence in determining the truth as far as this pope was concerned.

In paragraph five, Pope John Paul II emphasises Galileo had no ‘irrefutable proof,’ an absolute necessity of the experimental method. In paragraph nine he quotes Saint Augustine regarding ‘clear and certain reasoning.’ But then look at what he offers as such in paragraph thirteen; ‘a scientific or philosophic theory that is at least, seriously and solidly grounded,’ or one ‘regarded as an acquired truth or at least as enjoying such a degree of probability that it would be imprudent and unreasonable to reject it.’ Now a scientific theory is not ‘clear and certain reasoning,’ not even if a pope thinks so. Nor does the Church change its teachings on ‘probabilities,’ no it does not, the Church bases its teachings on certainties.

In paragraph eleven we see John Paul II was well aware of Einstein’s rehabilitation of the pervading relativity of the universe that van der Kamp reminded Rome of, a relativity that does not allow for science to prove or show anything about the true order of the universe. Following this came yet another contradiction to bring about the false equilibrium John Paul II desired: ‘this observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's position in the debate.’ Galileo’s position we all know was an absolute belief in a fixed sun and moving earth, a position condemned as heresy.

Reason, not faith then is where the truth of it is to be ultimately found as far as this pope was concerned.

This then is how the Copernican equilibrium works, and the illusion wins every time, no matter the multiple contradictions in such thinking and the absence of any divine input into the matter. Instructed by the magic of Hermetism since a child, as we all were, and puffed up with pride in such ‘knowledge’ that was unknown to Job, the Pope, even aware of the divine choices open to him, could not break from its hold on the mind.

Again we say, while the ‘truths of science’ can rest on the shifting ideas and theories of the day among scientists, on a choice between Tweedledum or Tweedledee, the truths of faith, those held by all the Fathers and decreed by the Church itself, cannot be made to comply or rest on scientific or philosophical restraints, no matter how ‘valid’ or ‘seriously and solidly grounded’ they are, nor on ‘acquired truths’ or those found ‘unreasonable to reject.’ No they cannot. And that is why no Church teaching can be altered to suit ‘modern science.’