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Offline Jaynek

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Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
« Reply #585 on: January 28, 2018, 05:02:05 PM »
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  • Which is precisely why your argument that  " it was taught in universities..." so everyone thought it, is wrong.
    I don't understand what you are saying. I do not see how that follows from "Using pagan authorities about science while rejecting their non-Christian elements was the common practice by the time universities were established."  
    What was commonly taught at universities shows what the educated people believed.  There is little evidence about what the non-educated believed. It is quite possible the the beliefs of the educated "trickled down" to them.

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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #586 on: January 28, 2018, 05:21:13 PM »
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  • I don't understand what you are saying. I do not see how that follows from "Using pagan authorities about science while rejecting their non-Christian elements was the common practice by the time universities were established."
    What was commonly taught at universities shows what the educated people believed.  There is little evidence about what the non-educated believed. It is quite possible the the beliefs of the educated "trickled down" to them.

    The point is that the probably used ptolemy, not because it was globe earth but because the other aspects of the astronomy were good.


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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #587 on: January 28, 2018, 06:41:28 PM »
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  • That's nothing but an emotional rant.  You should watch the movie The Principle to understand the true scientific status of geocentrism.
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    Emotional rant? What I posted is a direct quote out of the thread. I didn't write it. 
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    I already watched "The Principle," and the author I quoted is an advocate of "The Principle." And your point is....?
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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #588 on: January 28, 2018, 06:54:37 PM »
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  • You are very welcome Cantarella. The whole synthesis is undergoing a final edit and may eventually be published. As you know, the Galileo affair is a never ending subject and a year hardly goes by without another pro-Copernican author publishing something else about the affair. But more and more information becomes available as time goes by and of course we now have the internet research engine. For example, I recently got a book on Fr Athanasius Kircher Jesuit, (1602-1680) the polymath.by Joscelyn Godwin. This genius, who investigated all origins, was a tychonian geocentrist. Yet not one word about him is to be found in the Galileo affaqir. Indeed I googled in to see what they say about him and two authors suggested he was a silent-Copernican, too afraid to tell anyone at the time. You see how history is re-written by the Copernicans, both inside the Church and outside of it.

    God bless and happy new year. If any have any questions just ask.
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    Don't miss the fact that this thread lay dormant for 3 years before Meg dug it up, and in one day the flat-earthers have done their usual graffiti splatter all over it with no reference to the subject matter in context. Then recall the OP where Cantarella requested that this thread be protected from spamming and disruptive off-topic posts.
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    If justice would be served all the posts starting with Meg's ought to be moved to the Child forum because they're all off topic.
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    Dear Matthew and Mater, I respectfully request your permission to keep this thread in the Resistance section of this forum because every post that I put in this thread stands for the proposition that the true Catholic Resistance has nothing to do with the SSPX and everything to do with Doctrine - the full and entire Deposit of the Faith. If this section limits itself to discussion of the SSPX and the various combatants in its fratricidal cινιℓ ωαr, then it commits an abortion of Truth.  

    I have another request - a very special one, which I understand you might be unable to grant. Is it possible to scrub this thread on a continuous basis of anti-Catholic, anti-geocentric posts, so that this thread can be reserved as a place where souls might encounter the positive teaching, sans graffiti?

    Nothing would stop anyone from slinging mud at what is posted here by starting new threads. I do not wish to stifle discussion. I merely wish to keep this thread as clean and unified as possible.

    Why is this important? Because in the entire history of the Church, Sacred Tradition and Sacred Doctrine have suffered from no greater blow than that which came from the copernican-darwinian revolutions. The Church is still reeling, and will continue to spiral downward until we fight back with Faith, Fortitude, Charity, and Truth. 

    P.S. We would welcome any posts in support of the movie The Principle.


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    So it's longstanding residence in the Resistance forum is being torpedoed by the flat-earthers. Surprise, surprise (NOT).
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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #589 on: January 28, 2018, 07:02:01 PM »
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  • THE EARTHMOVERS: The Copernican revolution, while classed as a scientific revolution, was in fact a religious revolution. It is impossible to separate cosmology from theology and the divine, as both are well connected in the Scriptures. Add to this the utterances of many bygone astronomers and contemporary writers on this theme. Carl Sagan, in his introduction to Stephen Hawking’s book A Brief History of Time states:

    This is also a book about God… or perhaps the absence of God. The word God fills these pages. Hawking embarks on a quest to answer Einstein’s famous question about whether God had any choice in creating the universe. Hawking is attempting, as he states, to understand the mind of God. (Stephen. Hawking: Brief History of Time, Bantam Press, 1988.)

    There is however, something further we should know:

    HAWKING AND THE MIND OF GOD. He does not believe in anything resembling the Christian God…his theory of everything has no place at all for a Creator…. By his playing the God card, Hawking has cleverly fanned the flames of his own publicity appeal directly to the popular allure of scientist as priest. (Peter Coles: Hawking, Postmodern Encounters, Icon Books, 2000, p.47.)

    For hundreds of years now, so certain are we that the earth spins and orbits the sun like a planet, nobody needs or wants proof or verification for it anymore. Even now, any suggestion that the universe could be geocentric and geostatic always generates curious incredulity followed by derision and laughter. Even being asked to entertain the idea is a challenge to one’s intellectual ego, like being asked to believe the earth is flat. Thus, like a magic spell, the Hermetic cosmology has a grip on the human mind in the same manner as addictive illusionary substances have on the drug-addict.

    Yes, this belief system, long implanted into the minds of mankind, is now virtually impossible to break free from, as most of you readers are no doubt already experiencing. To demonstrate this hold, we again refer to Stephen Hawking’s Brief History of Time, the book released on ‘April fools day’ 1988, the one 26 million bought:

    We may have no idea what Professor Hawking does – but everyone knows it is damned clever stuff. So dauntingly clever that I suspect a hefty percentage of the 25 million copies of his book 'A Brief History of Time', still remain unopened since it came out. But the sales prove we are, in theory anyway, hungry to learn about his heroic search for the so-called Theory of Everything that will explain once and for all the universe and its purpose. (R. Gore-Langton: Daily Express, Friday 1st Sept 2000.)

    The above review of the play God and Stephen Hawking illustrates the heliocentric magic to perfection. As with Satan’s inducement to Adam that he could know all things like God, Hawking, a professed atheist, invited onto the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Rome in 1986 by the way, is now promoted as the guru to follow. With no idea what he ‘does,’ and without understanding what he writes, Hawking and his ilk are held in awe by the Press, the public, even popes in Rome, for their ‘truths.’ ‘Cleverness’ is now classed as ‘stuff’ that cannot be understood, which, from a convincing propaganda and financially rewarding point of view, is indeed very ‘clever.’

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    The source for the paragraph I quoted.
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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #590 on: January 29, 2018, 06:06:55 AM »
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  • The point is that the probably used ptolemy, not because it was globe earth but because the other aspects of the astronomy were good.
    Thanks for explaining.  I understand now.  

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    Re: THE EARTHMOVERS
    « Reply #591 on: August 13, 2022, 03:07:14 PM »
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  • The Earthmovers by James Redmond O'Hanlon is seen at https://www.kolbecenter.org/product/the-earthmovers/

    The Earthmovers (PDF)
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    One of the greatest obstacles to the restoration of the Faith is the difficulty of identifying and eradicating the roots of the revolution against it.  In his monumental work The Earthmovers, author James Redmond O’Hanlon exposes the roots of the revolution in the rejection of God’s Revelation regarding the position of the Earth in the universe and in the failure of the Church leadership to continue the courageous efforts of their predecessors to defend that Revelation, beginning as early as the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.  In spite of the widespread belief that heliocentrism was eventually “proven” by advances in astronomy, O’Hanlon shows that the champions of the heliocentric hypothesis have never provided proof beyond a reasonable doubt for their model of the solar system and that the Neo-Tychonic geocentric-geostatic model of the universe continues to explain all of the experimental and observational evidence better than any of the competing models.  The Earthmovers shows that the failure of the Church leadership to defend God’s Word in regard to the Earth’s position in the cosmos as it had been understood in the Church from the beginning paved the way for the modernist revolution against the traditional faith and practice of the Church by exalting fallible human science above divine science, an error which the Angelic Doctor identifies as “the source of all heresy.”
    579 pages.