Author Topic: THE EARTHMOVERS (Read 103528 times)

roscoe · « **Reply #196 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:12:38 PM »

Quote from: J.Paul

"For ever, O Lord, thy word standeth firm in heaven.

Thy truth unto all generations: thou hast founded the earth, and it continueth.

By thy ordinance the day goeth on: for all things serve thee."

It says word----- not world!!!! :reporter:

cantatedomino · « **Reply #197 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:15:14 PM »

Hi J. Paul!!!

I miss you!!!

JPaul · « **Reply #198 on:** February 23, 2014, 09:24:38 PM »

Quote from: cantatedomino

Hi J. Paul!!!

I miss you!!!

I share the feeling. Carry on with your wonderful educational effort.

God Bless you dear Lady

roscoe · « **Reply #199 on:** February 23, 2014, 10:00:37 PM »

:roll-laugh2:

cantatedomino · « **Reply #200 on:** February 24, 2014, 03:51:45 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Chapter Nine: (1546-1601) Tycho de Brahe

Tycho de Brahe

Tycho de Brahe, a Dane, was one of the greatest astronomers that ever lived, a genius in the development of astronomy. Tycho did not rely on tables already established, as Copernicus and Rheticus did, but observed, measured, timed, corrected and produced his own data and tables for all the movements in the sky. Tycho de Brahe, a Lutheran, was the eldest son of a noble Danish family. When a youngster, he was adopted by his uncle who then gave him the best education money could buy. At thirteen years-old his family sent him to university to study philosophy and law. It was here Tycho witnessed an eclipse of the sun - a 'sign’ from heaven, and his interest was turned towards learning astronomy.

When he was seventeen, Tycho observed yet another wondrous sign, a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. While not exactly eclipsing, they appeared very close to each other. Now while all such unions were predictable in advance, Tycho found the existing tables out by a month in one case and several days in another. Thereafter, he decided to devote his life’s work to achieving better tables for more accurate predictions.

[Two planets are in ‘conjunction’ when they cross the same celestial longitude together. There was a superstition that they brought good or bad luck. Tycho, not immune from the influences of astrology, believed it foretold, and was responsible for, the great plague that afterwards swept across Europe.]

Thereafter he spent his spare cash buying astronomic tables and even a copy of Ptolemy’s Almagest for serious study. In time Tycho found some of the planetary positions inaccurate according to a standard he believed possible. Comparing all the astronomic tables of the time, he found they differed from the facts he measured. Here then, as a mere boy, he realised that a long series of precise observations and recorded data is crucial to establish any useful astronomical science. Random and selected observations, he realised, could never decide the true nature of the heavens. Tycho de Brahe was and still is considered one of the most skilled observers that ever graced the noble science of astronomy. Using his famous instruments, there being no telescope invented in his time, he could measure with incredible accuracy.

Tycho spent four years in Germany observing the sky, much to the annoyance of his family who wanted a lawyer not an amateur astronomer. It was then Tycho lost his nose in a fight over mathematics of all things, requiring him to make a false one that he stuck on when in company. Gradually however, his fame as an astronomer grew and he returned to Denmark.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #201 on:** February 24, 2014, 03:59:02 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: After Tycho’s father died, his uncle gave him a house as a laboratory for alchemy and astrology. Soon his expertise as an astronomer of great genius and skill became well known among the aristocracy and academics. King Frederik II of Denmark, knowing that Tycho’s work could bring fame to his country, offered him an island observatory; estates to provide for him; a pension; as well as a huge grant to buy or build an observatory. Tycho grabbed all offered to him with both hands and built himself an astronomical fairyland, one that has endured in folklore throughout time.

Tycho called his observatory Uraniborg, the ‘Castle of the Heavens,’ built on a hill on the island of Hveen. He had everything - magnificent living quarters, a laboratory, library, and four large observatories with attic quarters for students and guests. Included were workshops for making and perfecting instruments, a printing press, paper mill, and even a prison for misbehaving servants. Tycho’s instruments and useful ornaments however, were the showpiece of his creation.

Tycho’s mural quadrant

Tycho’s great brass globe

Tycho’s sextant

cantatedomino · « **Reply #202 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:03:11 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Tycho de Brahe spent 21 years at Uraniborg, correcting almost every astronomical quantity that was on record in his time. Students, including a man called Johannes Kepler, came from far and wide to study and assist the work in every way. Tycho was the complete astronomer, a scientist who based his model of the universe on the evidence available, not under the influence of the heliocentric magic like most others.

That said, Tycho also took religion seriously and would remain loyal to its revelations on geocentrism unless proven false by science. Nor could he find any stellar parallax, a movement of stars said to be necessary for a heliocentric universe. The Tychonic system therefore, came about as a result of the principle that it can only be true if it concurs with accurate recorded data. Already he had figured out correctly that all the known planets do rotate around the sun. Thus came about his system, geocentric in principle, one that also saved all the appearances, that is, met all the astronomical observations, old and new. Thus, around the end of the sixteenth century, in the reign of Pope Sixtus V, the world had yet another model to consider in the clash to come.

The Tychonic Model that first appeared in Tycho’s De Mundi Aetherei Recentioribus Phaenomenis (1588)

The Tychonic system places the earth, moon, sun and stars in the same place as Ptolemy did, that is; it places the earth as the truly immobile centre of the universe with the moon, sun and stars circling it every day. But Tycho then places the planets, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus and Mercury into straight turns around the sun in circles as Copernicus did, taking the standard time to complete their circles, i.e., Mercury 88 earth-days, Venus 224.7 days, Mars 687 days, Jupiter 11.86 earth-years, and Saturn 30 earth-years.

Always though, the earth remains the non-rotating, immobile centre of the universe. The sun, with its cortege of planets, turns around the earth daily, as well as moving north and south as always. The sphere of fixed stars continues to perform its daily movements, as in the Ptolemaic model.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #203 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:04:20 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Tycho de Brahe became the foremost astronomer in Europe. Kings, statesmen, philosophers and men of science came to see him and his work. Alas, for all he was and stood for, and for all his splendour, he was arrogant, vain and superstitious and at times showed a temper. Tycho kept a half-witted dwarf in his household, and often subjected his guests to the unfortunate’s ramblings, even putting his servants into dungeons at times. Such behaviour, one can believe, was bound to result in Tycho becoming unpopular; giving ammunition to those envious of his genius and position and who wanted him removed.

Things change, and King Frederik died. The new king, Christian IV, influenced by nobles not favourable to Tycho, not least that Tycho often treated his peasant-tenants unjustly, began to take back some of the properties given to him for his expenses. The writing was on the wall and when more and more lands were seized, Tycho could no longer afford the upkeep of Uraniborg, forcing him to leave his island sanctuary and go to the mainland. There he felt uncomfortable and decided to leave Denmark altogether. Taking some small instruments with him he found a new sponsor in Emperor Rudolph of Bohemia.

Ensconced in a new castle, the red-haired, false-nosed Tycho took up where he left off in both work and play. He honoured the Emperor by calling his tables the ‘Rudolphine Tables.’ For three years he worked on improving and updating them, but something was missing - he yearned for his homeland. In 1601, at the age of 55, he came down with a ‘mysterious’ disease, now thought to have been mercury poisoning. Before he died, and so that his work could carry on, he entrusted one of his students with his records, one Johannes Kepler.

The great instruments were preserved for a time but as with so much in the history of man, they were eventually destroyed in warfare. Only Tycho’s magnificent celestial globe now remains. The island observatory that was once one of the wonders of the world fell into ruin and little of it remains. As to which of the great astronomic models of the time would continue to suffice, well that remained to be seen. Future discoveries would necessitate a modification of de Brahe’s model, a correction we will see in due course, for technically the updated model does not belong to sixteenth century astronomy.

With the victory of the Earthmovers, Tycho de Brahe’s name and contribution to the knowledge of the heavens were demoted to the role of a curiosity. If his theory is ever mentioned it is as a half-way-house to the establishment of that heliocentric order deemed by all today as the true one, the Copernican-Keplerian-Newtonian-Einsteinian concoction.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #204 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:15:36 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Chapter Ten: The Council Of Trent (1545-1563)

The Church’s official scope is not to be found in the development of mere human knowledge but in the preservation of divine knowledge. The Church’s duty then is to keep man mindful of the object or end of our existence and this last end is not science but eternal salvation. Knowledge of nature is intended by God as a subordinate means to this end, and for this very reason there can never be a conflict between true science, the Bible, Catholic faith, and our final destiny. The Church then does not teach natural science, but, as happened in the Galileo case, she is obliged to make their principles tributary to wisdom, first by warning and protecting the flock against error and by pointing to the ultimate cause of all things.

The Council of Trent was convoked in 1545 in response to the Protestant reform and rebellion against various Catholic tenets, dogmas and doctrines. Its twenty five sessions lasted eighteen years and were presided over by three popes, Pope Paul III (1534-1549), Pope Julius III (1550-1555) and finally under Pope Pius IV (1559-1565). Of crucial importance to the Galileo case is session IV of April 8, 1546.

The Vulgate Edition of the Bible is Accepted and the Method is Prescribed for the Interpretation of (Sacred) Scripture, etc. [All biblical quotes in this book are taken from the Catholic Latin Vulgate translation.]

The sacred and holy, ecuмenical, and general Synod of Trent - - lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost, the same three legates of the Apostolic See presiding therein - - keeping this always in view, that, errors being removed, the purity itself of the Gospel be preserved in the Church; which (Gospel), before promised through the prophets in the holy Scriptures, our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, first promulgated with His own mouth, and then commanded to be preached by His Apostles to every creature, as the fountain of all, both saving truth, and moral discipline; and seeing clearly that this truth and discipline are contained in the written books, and the unwritten traditions which, received by the Apostles from the mouth of Christ himself, or from the Apostles themselves, the Holy Ghost dictating, have come down even unto us, transmitted as it were from hand to hand;

(the Synod) following the examples of the orthodox Fathers, receives and venerates with an equal affection of piety, and reverence, all the books both of the Old and of the New Testament - - seeing that one God is the author of both - - as also the said traditions, as well those appertaining to faith as to morals, as having been dictated, either by Christ's own word of mouth, or by the Holy Ghost, and preserved in the Catholic Church by a continuous succession.

But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts, as they have been used to be read in the Catholic Church, and as they are contained in the old Latin vulgate edition; and knowingly and deliberately contemn the traditions aforesaid; let him be anathema . . .

Furthermore, in order to curb imprudent clever persons, the synod decrees that no one who relies on his own judgement in matters of faith and morals, which pertain to the building up of Christian doctrine, and that no one who distorts the Sacred Scripture according to his own opinions, shall dare to interpret the said Sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which is held by holy Mother Church, whose duty it is to judge regarding the true sense and interpretation of the Holy Scriptures, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers, even though interpretations of this kind were never intended to be brought to light. Let those who shall oppose this be reported by their ordinaries and be punished with the penalties prescribed by law. [/i]- - (Denz - 786)

The Council of Trent was a doctrinal council, thus an infallible council. Nothing emerging from its cannons and decrees can be questioned, doubted or overruled in any way. Note above then that the unanimous interpretation of the Fathers is here dogmatised as without error.
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cantatedomino · « **Reply #205 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:17:42 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: In the wake of the Council of Trent came The Catechism of the Council of Trent for Parish Priests, issued by order of Pope Pius V. Of interest to this synthesis is the teaching on the Creed that begins so:

I Believe in God, Almighty Father, Creator of Heaven and Earth:

He followed no external form or model; but contemplating, and as it were imitating, the universal model contained in the divine intelligence, the supreme Architect, with infinite wisdom and power – attributes peculiar to the Divinity – created all things in the beginning. He spoke and they were made; He commanded and they were created. The words heaven and earth include all things that the heavens and the earth contain; for besides the heavens, which the Prophet has called the works of his fingers, He also gave to the sun its brilliancy, and to the moon and stars their beauty; and that they may be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years. He so ordered the celestial bodies in a certain and uniform course that nothing varies more than their continual revolution, while nothing is more fixed than their variety . . .

The earth also God commanded to stand in the midst of the world, rooted in its own foundations [Ps. 103:5: You fixed the earth upon its foundations, not to be moved forever], and made the mountains ascend, and the plains descend into the place that He had founded for them . . .

He next not only clothed and adorned it with trees and every variety of plants and flowers, but filled it, as He had already filled the air and water, with innumerable kinds of creatures . . .

Not only does God protect and govern all things by His Providence, but He also by an internal power impels to motion and action whatever moves and acts, and this in such a manner that, although He excludes not, He yet precedes the agency of secondary causes. (Catechism of the Council of Trent: Marian Publications, 1976, pp.28, 29, 30.)

Herein it clearly states that God ex nihilo created the earth geocentric and geostatic, on which He created all flora and fauna complete according to their kinds, and that there is no motion or action without God’s input.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #206 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:19:27 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: The Catholic Bible then, the Church teaches, is without error, whether religious or mundane. Where there might appear to be anomalies, generation anomalies in Genesis for example, one always defers to the New Testament as the Church’s public word on the matter.

[For example, not to be confused with Cainan, the 3rd after Adam, St Luke (3:36) alone inserts a second Cainan as being the third after Noah, i.e., a son of Noah’s grandson Arphaxad. In short, Luke 3 contains a name – Cainan – that is not recorded in Genesis 10 or 11, or in First Paralipomenon/First Chronicles 1.

In the Book of Genesis we find a record of the origin, purpose and destiny of everything. Written some three thousand four hundred years ago, this account depicts God immediately creating the whole interdependent world in six days, the heavens and earth, the sun, moon, stars, and all living things according to their nature, placing man as the sole benefactor of the whole creation. These truths are supported throughout the Old and the New Testaments that followed and had sufficed for millions of men and women throughout time.]

Assertions that revealed mysteries such as ex nihilo creation of complete creatures, geocentricism and a universal flood do not qualify as science, are untrue. Firstly, their credibility can be investigated scientifically; they can be analysed and compared with other scientific laws, structures and norms wherein they yield scientific consequences not otherwise accessible. If this objection had any real force, it would apply similarly to mysteries improperly so-called, i.e., to natural truths that we shall never know in this life. Every science is full of such examples and that is why the wisest of scientists consider themselves the most ignorant.

Again we anticipate what many might say - ‘Surely you cannot ask us to accept Genesis as a literal, historical and accurate account of the beginning of everything. Isn’t it true that science has shown it to be a collection of myths, metaphors and poetry, and don’t most Churchmen and statesmen accept this now? So, how can one defend the scientific accuracy and credibility of Scripture, especially Genesis, against the findings of science?’ To answer this question we must first ask if one rejects the Bible as an ideological no-no or simply because one has been convinced by the propaganda against it and never gave the question any deep study. If we belong to the former, then that’s it, I suppose; but if we belong to the latter group and have a little time to reflect, then let us move on.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #207 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:20:32 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Ever since the Earthmovers convinced the whole world that the earth has been proven to move around the sun, the Bible has been labelled ‘unscientific,’ supposedly reflecting the illusions of men in a pre-scientific age. Moreover, begun by the Protestant Rheticus and invoked by the heretic Bruno, they also try to tell us the Bible is not a science book, so is not intended to teach us natural philosophy. They say this to throw doubt on the correctness of a geocentric interpretation, and for no other reason.

To our knowledge, and in spite of all that is propagated to the contrary, no science, no anthropology, archaeology or anything has ever proven the Bible, or to be more precise, the Fathers’ interpretation of it, to be untrustworthy in any sphere, whether in its age for the world, its geocentric basis, its shape for the earth (Is.40:22), its flood-caused geology, its sketch of the water cycle (Eccles.1:7), its fixity of kinds, diversity of species and methods of generation, its sanitation laws (Deut. 23:12-14), even its rules for quarantining (Lev.13:1-5) and so on.

As regards human society, here again the Bible cannot be found wanting. Genesis tells us created man was monotheistic, intelligent and civilised from the very beginning. After the Fall and again after the Flood, many did lapse into primitive ways, seeking out any environment that could sustain them, whether village, jungle, desert, cave or mud-hut, such as can be found even today. Nevertheless, because man is an ordered, intellectual and social creature, records were prone to be kept, both oral and written. It is reasonable to say then that if the Bible records a real 6,000-year history, surely this past should be evident in the traditions of all peoples, whether primitive or sophisticated. As it happens, this is the case. There is not a single culture discovered that had/has not a perfect language and a history of the world that begins with the biblical account, an original couple, and a flood.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #208 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:22:41 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: For an example or two, let us consider the following studies:

(1) An investigation into Chinese palaeography, God’s Promise To The Chinese. (E. Nelson, R. Broadberry and G. Chock: God’s Promise To The Chinese, Read Books, HCR 65 Box 580, Dunlap, TN 37327, USA, 1997.)

In a summary of this book, the reviewer states:

The three joint-authors have clearly demonstrated, to this reviewer’s satisfaction at least, that the inventor of the original Chinese characters, which were inscribed on tortoise shells and bones, knew and believed in an identical account of creation and earth’s beginnings to that found in Moses’ Book of Genesis . . .

The Chinese have always revered their writing system. Calligraphy ranks supreme in their artistic scale of values . . . Just 142 of the earliest hieroglyphic pictograms contain, in a highly condensed (and therefore mentally portable and ineradicable form) key components of the Book of Genesis.

Since the truth or otherwise of the Flood has profound implications for the study of geology, in the Book of Docuмents (Sha Ching), written 3,000 years ago, we read: “The flood waters were everywhere, destroying everything as they rose above the hills and swelled up to Heaven.” (Tim Williams, Christian Order, November 2001, pp.629-631.)

The authors go on to show how the earliest Chinese were monotheists who worshiped Shang Di or the ‘God Above.’ For more than 4,000 years they sacrificed to Him in the imperial city of Beijing, in what was called the ‘Border Sacrifice’. Confucius (551-479BC) thought the Border Sacrifice so important that he compared an understanding of this sacrifice to the efficient ruling of the Chinese empire. The Border Sacrifice ended only when the Manchu Ch’ing dynasty ended in 1911.

(2) In the book, After The Flood - a 25-year study into Middle Eastern/European palaeography - Bill Cooper traces the early post-flood history of the Middle East and Europe. (Bill Cooper: After The Flood, New Wine Press, 22 Arun Business Park, Bognor Regis, West Sussex, PO22 9SX, England, 1995.)

His task was to see if the ‘Table of Nations’ (Genesis Chapter 10 and 11) could be verified in the history of nations prior to Christianity. If he could find a lineage from the Japhetic line in these histories, it would confirm the Bible also recorded true history.

Cooper found ample evidence in eastern and western archives to confirm Middle East and European lines are both descended from the Japhetic tree. In Britain, Wales and Ireland he found the records of the early settlers went back 2,000 years, with the same genealogy to European differing only in language. What amazed Cooper was that the records of this history were so easy to find and so evident that he concluded its absence from textbooks, schools and universities had to be a deliberate conspiracy by both Churchmen and statesmen to uphold the Modernists’ version of things without challenge.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #209 on:** February 24, 2014, 04:23:51 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Likewise, no bones, buildings, artefacts, cloths etc., should be found older than the dates given in Genesis if the Bible is to be authentic. The usual method of dating such short-life (10,000 years maximum) things is Carbon-14 dating. [To obtain ‘millions-of-years’ dating, different radioactive materials are used.]

This dating method however, relies on many assumptions to be accurate and produces some erroneous dating. [Radio-carbon dating relies on two major assumptions to be viable: a 32,000-year cycle that may never have been if we do live in a 6,000-year world: and that no other carbon entered the system in its cycle.]

[In one case for example, a living turtle was dated at 1000+ years old.]

THE EARTHMOVERS: Even so, try as they did with it, no trace of any civilisation could be dated with certainty as being more than 5,000 years old. Dr Walter Libby, who won a Nobel Prize for his discovery of the Carbon-14 dating method, and who thought his discovery would reveal ‘prehistoric’ times, never found any human artefact older than 5,000 years.

“You read statements in books that such or such a society or archaeological site is 20,000 years old,” he [Libby] commented, “but we learn rather abruptly that these numbers, these ancient ages, are not known accurately; in fact, it is about the first dynasty of Egypt that the first historical date of any real certainty has been established.” (A. J. White, Radio-Carbon Dating, Cardiff, Wales, 1955, p.10.)

We could go on, but that should be enough to show that, whatever about propaganda, the Bible cannot be falsified when true science is applied to any question of its contents.