Author Topic: THE EARTHMOVERS (Read 102016 times)

John Grace · « **Reply #120 on:** January 30, 2014, 12:04:29 PM »

A fascinating topic. I would like to see the film The Principle. This thread and the film is something to support. As many people as possible should support that film.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #121 on:** January 30, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »

Quote from: cassini

Why don't you eliminate 'Hence' and simply place a comma there. Both mean the same thing. Let us not make a song and dance out of two ways to say something.

'The unbeliever has only one source of knowledge; the believer has two. Logic will indicate both should be used to establish the infallible truth. Blind acceptance of dogmas and submission to non-scientific authority is said to be contrary to the dignity of science, another supposed conflict between faith and science.'

As I understand it Neil, the author decided to begin his book with a Prologue, the story as it has been offered for centuries, a Preface to show no proof exists for heliocentrism and that that is how the new paradign will be written up, and finally an Introduction to the book as to what will be discussed.

As I understand it also, the passages in blue are the poster's own comments.

Thank you, cassini. Your reply is helpful. I think the author must be Irish, and therefore, your familiarity with this style makes your insight more natural to you. For me, it's getting close to needing a translation! I wouldn't replace "hence" with a comma, because at first glance that doesn't make it any more appealing! IOW, I wouldn't have even gone down that road! It looked like another dead end! But now that you mention it, it does improve the intelligibility a LITTLE BIT.

Is this the same message as having, "...Blind acceptance of dogmas and submission to non-scientific authority is said to be contrary to the dignity of science, another supposed conflict between faith and reason?"

My difficulty is, that faith is a thing that is intimately inherent in the mind of man, whereas science is a thing outside his mind, so to compare the two as in "a conflict between" them, runs into difficulties. It's like a conflict between your car engine's timing and the color of the interior's upholstery. Or a conflict between civil rights activism and the police department's vacation schedule.

If the passages in blue will always be words of cantatedomino (or someone else?!?), I do wish that could be pronounced clearly. There is far too much room for misunderstanding in this subject. We don't need any more where it can easily be avoided!

And therefore, John Grace probably reads this just as though it's his own dialect!

Quote from: John Grace

A fascinating topic. I would like to see the film The Principle. This thread and the film is something to support. As many people as possible should support that film.

Between you two, maybe I have a chance for clearing things up!

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #122 on:** January 30, 2014, 02:53:46 PM »

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Quote from: cassini

As I understand it Neil, the author decided to begin his book with a Prologue, the story as it has been offered for centuries, a Preface to show no proof exists for heliocentrism and that that is how the new paradign will be written up, and finally an Introduction to the book as to what will be discussed.

This is a big help, cassini. I only noticed a Preface title. I have not seen any Prologue or Introduction mentioned, until your post, here.

And the absence of a Table of Contents as well as the conspicuous absence of page numbers, makes for disoriented reading -- I know from previous experience that the time will certainly come when I want to refer back to something I had read previously, and I won't be able to find it, because of no page numbers, no Index, and no Table of Contents.

All there is here are posts that all begin with "THE EARTHMOVERS:" and perhaps the relevant post number (found in the URL), but the reliability of the latter is dependent upon no posts being deleted in the thread, and sometimes that does happen.

If this were not important to me I wouldn't be mentioning it. I'm saying it because I care about this topic.

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #123 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:00:44 PM »

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The author's style reminds me of Deirdre Manifold, whose books were definitely interesting, but such a chore to plough through because of the sentence structure. There were times I had to put it down for a few days to recover from the confusion, and go back to read it again. It seems to me she would have had a wider audience if the objective intelligibility of her sentences could have been improved.

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cantatedomino · « **Reply #124 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:42:42 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Chapter Two: The Wonders and Mysteries of Space

There are of course compelling reasons why the whole human race once accepted that the earth is fixed at the centre of the cosmos and that it is the universe that rotates around us. The first of course is because we live on the earth and therefore it is the centre of the universe for mankind, it being the natural or philosophical presupposition on which the life of man rests.

This is confirmed by our senses as we witness the sun and stars rotate around us every 24 hours. The earth feels fixed, giving no indication of a body that moves in any way. This central reality, moreover, totally fulfilled and answered all the needs and questions that could be thought up by man as regards our place in the universe, be they religious or philosophical.

The sun-fixing and earthmoving revolution began with Copernicus, took hold after astronomical discoveries, and moved on to theoretical physics, cosmological and evolutionary theories, before entering the bizarre world of relativity and quantum mechanics. To deal with this subject properly, we must first familiarise ourselves with some of the wonders of space and learn something about the science of astronomy. Unless one knows the limits to such knowledge, then one might not grasp the subtle deception that was/is the Copernican revolution.

Any mention of an earth-centred or geocentric universe or reality today is usually associated with what moderns deem a sister ignorance or naivety, belief in a flat earth. This is the standard rebuttal used by those long indoctrinated into heliocentric certainty, those led to believe they are more intelligent and knowledgeable in these things than those Bible-thumping churchmen of the seventeenth century.

It seems some individuals before then did claim the Bible teaches the earth is flat, while others claimed it revealed the earth is a spheroid. But the truth is that the only flat-earth to be found among the churchmen that condemned Galileo and his fixed-sun heresy exist in the sceptics’ prejudices. That the earth is a globe was the conclusion of ancient reasoning. They knew that the shape of the earth as seen on the moon during an eclipse is always a full sphere. That would hardly be the case if the earth were a flat disc. The shifting position of stars as man moved north or south, also the fact that ships appear and disappear over the horizon, demonstrated to them the curved nature of the earth.

Geocentrism and flat-earth belief then do not go hand in hand, as many propagandists would have you believe.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #125 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:52:31 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

The Sun

The sun, an admirable instrument, the work of the Most High . . . breathing out fiery vapours, and shining with his beams, he blindeth the eyes. Great is the Lord that made him, and at his words he hath hastened his course. (Ecc. 43:2-4).

It was not until the twentieth century that man confirmed that the sun does indeed ‘breath out fiery vapours’; described today as fantastic jets of gas that appear to spring from its surface: the prominences. Some of these, known as quiescent prominences, are said to occasionally measure several hundreds of thousands of miles across at their base, though their height does not normally exceed some 15,000 to 30,000 miles. Then there are the eruptive prominences. Narrow at the base, resembling jagged flames, they are ejected from the chromospheres, often with velocities of 50-250 mps, commonly attaining heights of 50,000 to 250,000 miles, sometimes up to 500,000 miles. Interestingly, their composition is often described today as chromospheric ‘vapours.’

Besides the day, night, and seasons, there are smaller, if not any less spectacular signs in the heavens for us to wonder at. First there are the eclipses of the sun. This comes about when, visible to some point on earth, the moon blots out the sun for a few moments. If the idea of this happening by ‘chance’ is ludicrous, then consider it the Will of God, the moon created to orbit the earth at a point where its apparent diameter fits perfectly or almost into the apparent diameter of the sun. This occurs only if the relative dimensions and separation of the three bodies involved, the sun, moon and earth are in complete harmony. Chance indeed!

cantatedomino · « **Reply #126 on:** January 30, 2014, 03:57:09 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Principle of annular eclipse of the sun

Such is the wonder of a total eclipse that the prospects of seeing one can attract people from all over the earth to witness the marvel with their own eyes. For some time after the show, the newspapers, TV, and journals are filled with reports of the happening, a demonstration that no other spectacle on earth or in the sky can match. Often they tell of a ‘spiritual’ dimension to this awesome coordination of cosmic bodies, leaving men, women and children drained with emotion.

No words or photograph can really convey the breath-taking beauty and ‘atmosphere’ of this moment [of totality] which seems to affect the whole of nature, and it is indeed a pity that so few people have the opportunity of seeing a total eclipse of the Sun. It is something never to be missed.( Larousse Encyclopaedia of Astronomy, Librairie Larousse, 1959, p.167.)

An eclipse of the earth’s moon, while less spectacular than a solar eclipse, is nevertheless another wondrous sign. A lunar eclipse happens when the sun passes behind the earth causing the shadow of the earth to cover the moon. Now whereas a solar eclipse lasts only minutes, the maximum duration of a lunar eclipse is 2 hours for passing through the umbra, and 4 hours through both the umbra and the penumbra. What occurs is not the appearance of a blackening like a solar eclipse, but a variable and unpredictable change of colours, from bright light to a coppery or blood-red colour, occasionally even a bright orange-yellow to dull red, depending on the atmospheric conditions of the time.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #127 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:05:28 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Moreover, in keeping with other things in God’s creation, He further demonstrates His omnipotent and infinite majesty by ensuring that no two lunar eclipses are exactly alike.

Words cannot convey the beauty of a total eclipse of the Moon, nor the impression produced by the sight of a dull red disc apparently bathed in the glow of some great celestial inferno, set in a sky filled with stars which the normal brilliance of the full moon would prevent our seeing. (Larousse Encyclopaedia of Astronomy, pp.159-60.

Total Eclipse of the Sun

Eclipse of the Moon

Then there are the conjunctions of the moon and planets (visible to us as stars), when from earth we see two or three of them come together in many ways for different periods of time. Seen in fast motion it looks as if they come together from time to time to give us a celestial dance,

Stunning and beautiful beyond measure too are the nebulae, comets, asteroids, planets, moons etc., not to mention the array and colour of spectacular galaxies and celestial gas formations that modern telescopes have discovered and shown us. Such marvels however - thanks to the Copernican revolution - are always presented as though they are a product and witness of natural evolution when in fact they were intended as a manifestation of God’s omnipotent creative power.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #128 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:12:29 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: There are many other wonders to be seen in the sky of course. One of the strangest of all however is recorded in Shakespeare, Henry VI, Part 3, Act 2, Scene I, where we find the following:

EDWARD. Dazzle mine eyes, or do I see three suns?

RICHARD. Three glorious suns, each one a perfect sun; Not separated with the racking clouds, But sever’s in a pale clear shining sky. See, see! They join, embrace, and seem to kiss, As if they vow’d some league inviolable; Now they are but one lamp, one light, one sun. In this the heaven figures some event.

This amazing phenomenon, now called the ‘sun dog’ (parhelia), was first described in 1533 and officially recorded as seen on 22nd May, 1677, by Domenico Cassini in the well known Paris based French periodical Journal de Savants. Just a few degrees above the horizon the sun was observed taking on this incredible corona with solar images. As the sun rises, the three merge beautifully into one, described by some as a divine type of the three persons that are of the one God.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #129 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:20:38 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS:

Chapter Three: The Sky And Religion

Nothing is more beautiful than light; and God Himself, who is beauty itself, wanted to be called Light. Saint John says: “God is light, and in Him is no darkness” (1 Jn.1:5). Furthermore, there is no bodily object more luminous than the sun and, therefore, nothing is more beautiful than the sun. Besides that, the beauty of lower creatures and especially human beauty fade quickly, but the sun’s beauty is never extinguished, never lessened, and always gives joy to all things with equal splendour . . . (St Robert Bellarmine: The Mind’s Assent to God (1614), republished by Paulist Press, Muhwah, New Jersey, USA, 1989.)

To try to understand the visible universe as an influence on mankind, we must go back to Adam and Eve and the lesson of the Fall.

To try to understand the visible universe as an influence on mankind, we must go back to Adam and Eve and the lesson of the Fall. Our first parents understood their mistake; sought forgiveness and accepted their punishment. We see then that the immediate inhabitants of the human race were theists who understood God as person. Adam and Eve had many children. In order for the human race to multiply, it was necessary this command had to begin by way of brother and sister and then cousins until the numbers separated lost track of this family connection. As we know from Genesis, Satan continued his mission and soon separated many from the religion of the first parents. Most, the Bible says, became ‘evil.’

This resulted in further chastisement of mankind by way of a global flood wherein all perished save Noah and his wife, his three sons Sem, Cham, Japheth, and their three wives, all of whom found salvation in the Arc he built on advice from God (Gen. 6-9).

Thus began a second start for humanity on earth. Alas, once again Satan led men to believe they could recover the gifts lost by Adam and Eve and be as gods. They believed if men did this or that, the dominion over nature lost by Adam could be retrieved. In Genesis 10:3 we read Cham, the cursed son of Noah, begot Chus, Mesraim, Phut and Chanaan (Gen. 10:3). It was Mesraim who founded Egypt, and Chus became Hermēs, Lucifer’s own philosopher, high priest and king, original prophet of idolatry, author of satanic religious rites and interpreter of the gods, founder of the MYSTERIES, and propagator of chaos in post-deluge times. It is the rebellious Cham-line coming from the righteous God-fearing Noah that is generally referred to as hermetic.
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cantatedomino · « **Reply #130 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:24:43 PM »

What a beautiful consideration - the universe as an influence on mankind. Is it possible that any other idea about Nature could be truer? The earthmovers understand the power of the Universe to influence man. And this knowledge of theirs, become esoteric as a result of their suppression strategies, is utilized to [de]form modern man according to the image and likeness of the fallen Angel, Lucifer. Not only copernican darwinism, but the filth of einsteinian relativity that flooded the earth in its wake, influence men away from God and Creation and towards idolatrous rituo-materialism. But consider also the electromagnetic plantation grid, which obscures the night sky so that millions and millions of moderns have never in their entire lives seen what God hath made, nay, what He hath made specifically with them seeing it in His mind! He made it so that men would come to know Him in the most majestic of His creatures! I've only seen the real night sky once in my fifty one years. It took my breath away when I gazed upon it. It was actually shocking. I had no idea that this was the reality. Immediately upon seeing it, my mind went to God, even my sick, degenerate, unbelieving mind of that time. The night sky that God made is full of revelation of truth, in pictographic form - see the Mazzaroth.

But the earthmovers don't want anyone looking at it.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #131 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:27:30 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Ninus is said to have been the son of Belus or Bel, and Bel is said to have been the founder of Babylon . . . If Ninus was Nimrod, then who was the historical Bel? He must have been Cush; for “Cush begat Nimrod” (Gen. X.8), and Cush is generally represented as having been the ringleader in the great apostasy. But again, Cush, as the son of Ham, was Her-mes or Mercury; for Hermes is just an Egyptian synonym for the “son of Ham.”

Now, Hermes was the great original prophet of idolatry; for he was recognised by the pagans as the author of their religious rites, and the interpreter of the gods . . . Mercury then, or Hermes, or Cush, “the son of Ham,” was the “DIVIDER of the speeches of men.” He, it would seem, had been the ringleader in the scheme for building the great city and tower of Babel; and, as the well-known title of Hermes [Hermēs Trismegistus - the interpreter of the gods] would indicate, had encouraged them, in the name of God, to proceed in their presumptuous enterprise, and so had caused the language of men to be divided, and themselves to be scattered abroad on the face of the earth . . .

That Cush was known to pagan antiquity under the very character of Bel “The Confounder,” a statement of Ovid very clearly proves. The statement to which I refer is that in which Janus “the god of gods,” from whom all the other gods had their origin, is made to say of himself “the ancients . . . called me Chaos.” Now, first this decisively shows that Chaos was known not merely as a state of confusion, but also as the “god of Confusion.” But secondly, who that is at all acquainted with the laws of Chaldaic pronunciation, does not know that Chaos is just one of the established forms of the name of Chūs or Cush? (Rev. Alex Hislop: The Two Babylons, Loizeau Bros, Roma, 1862. pp. 25-27.)

The MYSTERIES founded by Hermēs were Cham-line cults that arose throughout the populated world after the Deluge. They may be regarded as the church of the ancient pagan gentile nations. In them all there is found a peculiar though common conception of the divine nature as a type of pantheism that constitutes their common bond of unity. These institutions, not exactly uniform in their various rites, were widely distributed and flourished in Egypt, Chaldea, India, China, Japan, Canaan, Africa, Greece, Rome, Mexico, and in the isles of the sea. Their mode of religious instruction was esoteric. This was not taught in a dogmatic way but by rite and symbol of religious conception communicated to the initiated only.

The Mysteries were known and transmitted by priests. The sages and philosophers taught in these institutions what they hardly dared to teach in public, and the disciples were bound to secrecy concerning the things heard and learned. It was contended by some of the priests that if the secrets therein taught were divulged, the universe would fall.

cantatedomino · « **Reply #132 on:** January 30, 2014, 04:33:35 PM »

THE EARTHMOVERS: Since the beginning of time, different formations of stars, known as constellations, were recognised and identified by man. In the beginning these clusters of stars were divided into twelve slices of a circle like so:

The story which the Zodiac unfolds in the course of the year lies in the meanings of these names given by God to each of the stars in its forty-eight constellations when He set them in order in the beginning, making of them, as the Psalmist says: “faithful witnesses in heaven” (Ps. 88:38) of His plan for the world . . . Put in proper order, beginning not with Aries as now deployed, but with Virgo, and ending with Leo rather than with Pisces, the Zodiac foretold in the stars the story of the Incarnation, the Redemption and the world to come long before the Bible was written. Virgo is of course the Blessed Virgin and Leo is Jesus Christ, the Lion of Judah, universal Lord of Creation. (This incidentally, provides the answer to the mystery of the Sphinx which, having the head of a woman and the body and tail of a lion is therefore simply a representation in stone of the ancient Zodiac). (Solange Hertz: The Sixth Trumpet, Remnant Press, Minnesota, 2002, p.11.)

It comes as no surprise then – in the context of that great battle of principalities and powers resulting from that martial decree of Genesis 3:15 - to find occult interference with the Zodiac of Holy Scripture. This new astrology asserted that earthly spirits, ghosts, and other agents joined the heavenly angels, and all began to influence planetary formations in a manner that, they said, had a direct effect on human behaviour and our destiny, depending on where these cosmic bodies are within the zodiac belt.

This way the astrology ‘signs’ became the object of fraud, superstition and the occult, with men and women claiming to read prophesies and messages from the ‘gods’ in them. So, just as the signs in the stars were hijacked for diabolical purposes, an astrology that became a useless occult belief system for vast numbers of people throughout the last few thousand years even to this day, so too would God’s astronomy be hijacked and replaced by one that would also be used to serve the occult forces on earth.

The Catholic Church, of course, absolutely rejects the idea that the sun, moon or planets could actually influence or predict one’s present or future behaviour. The Church teaches that men have free will and that God alone knows the future. Such a notion as the position of stars or planets being able to determine the destiny or behaviour of men is anti-Christian.

Let us now trace the history of this occult use of God’s named Zodiac. For [most of] the tempted ones in the second history of mankind, forgot the worship of the true God, as happened in pre-diluvian times, and they began to adore and personify as gods the sun, moon and stars. In the beliefs of the ancient sun worshippers the sun is God, the giver of life.

We believe this cult was assisted by Satan to reflect two of his greatest inabilities by proxy; (1) to mimic the light of the Trinity for himself, and (2) to compensate for his most abject failing, his inability to generate. Read now how God’s symbols were transformed to Pagan gods.

The sun thus deified and personified was made the theme of allegorical history, emblematic of his yearly passage through the twelve constellations. The zodiac is the apparent path of the sun among the stars. It was divided by the ancients into twelve different parts, composed of the clusters of stars named after “living creatures,” typical of the twelve months . . .

The sun, as he pursued his wan among these “living creatures” of the zodiac, was said, in allegorical language, either to assume the nature of or to triumph over the sign he entered. The sun thus became a bull in Taurus, and was worshipped as such by the Egyptians under the name of Apis, and by the Assyrians as Bel, Baal, or Bul. In Leo the sun became a lion-slayer, Hercules, and an archer in Sagittarius. In Pisces, the fishes – he was a fish – Dagon, or Vishnu, the fish-god of the Philistines and Hindoos. When the sun enters Capricornus he reaches his lowest southern declination; afterwards as he emerges from that sign the days become longer, and the sun grows rapidly in light and heat; hence we are told in the mythology that the sun, or Jupiter, was suckled by a goat . . .

The beautiful virgin of the Zodiac, Virgo, together with the Moon, under a score of different names, furnishes the female element in these mythological stories, the wonderful adventures of the gods. These fables are most of them absurd enough if understood as real histories, but the allegorical key being given, many of them are found to contain profound and sublime astronomical truths. This key was religiously kept secret by the priests and philosophers, and was only imparted to those initiated into the MYSTERIES. The profane and vulgar crowd were kept in darkness, and believed in and worshipped a real Hercules or Jupiter, whom they thought actually lived and performed all the exploits and underwent all the transformations of the mythology. By these means the Priests of Egypt ruled the people with a despotic power. (Robert Hewitt Brown: Stellar Theology and Masonic Astronomy, p.7.)

Robert Brown here reflects on ‘sublime astronomical truths.’ To be able to trace the movement of the sun, moon and stars (planets) against a background of the constellations was no doubt a wonderful ability. But we now know that one of their ‘astronomical truths’ was their belief in a solar system with the earth, not the sun, doing the moving. Sir Isaac Newton discovered this and in freemasonic writings they acknowledge this as an accepted truth.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #133 on:** January 31, 2014, 04:26:54 AM »

Quote from: cantatedomino

What a beautiful consideration - the universe as an influence on mankind. Is it possible that any other idea about Nature could be truer? The earthmovers understand the power of the Universe to influence man. And this knowledge of theirs, become esoteric as a result of their suppression strategies, is utilized to [de]form modern man according to the image and likeness of the fallen Angel, Lucifer. Not only copernican darwinism, but the filth of einsteinian relativity that flooded the earth in its wake, influence men away from God and Creation and towards idolatrous rituo-materialism. But consider also the electromagnetic plantation grid, which obscures the night sky so that millions and millions of moderns have never in their entire lives seen what God hath made, nay, what He hath made specifically with them seeing it in His mind! He made it so that men would come to know Him in the most majestic of His creatures! I've only seen the real night sky once in my fifty one years. It took my breath away when I gazed upon it. It was actually shocking. I had no idea that this was the reality. Immediately upon seeing it, my mind went to God, even my sick, degenerate, unbelieving mind of that time. The night sky that God made is full of revelation of truth, in pictographic form - see the Mazzaroth.

But the earthmovers don't want anyone looking at it.

Who wrote this? Was it cantatedomino? It was posted just 4 minutes after the previous post of "THE EARTHMOVERS:" so it wasn't first typed out during those 4 minutes; it had to have already been composed and prepared to post, but perhaps not with the bold or blue font codes, which could have been added within the 4 minutes. Who is the author, if not the author of "THE EARTHMOVERS:"?

What is "the Mazzaroth?"

Anyone reading this should know, that if you go to a remote place, about 50 miles from the nearest modern city of 20,000 or more and 100+ miles away from any large modern city of 1 million or more, the night sky is very impressive; but if you'd like to experience having your socks knocked off, grab a pair of 7x35 binoculars (a very commonly available size) and have a look through those at the night sky.

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cassini · « **Reply #134 on:** January 31, 2014, 11:30:03 AM »

The sun, an admirable instrument, the work of the Most High . . . breathing out fiery vapours, and shining with his beams, he blindeth the eyes. Great is the Lord that made him, and at his words he hath hastened his course.

(Ecc. 43:2-4).'and at his words he hath hastened his course'

Wow, as Cardinal Bellarmine said, the Copernicans would have a hard time trying to convince anybody the likes of the above quote from Scripture was not literal. Yet they did, and got pop[es to believe them.