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Offline cassini

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The destruction of Catholic Ireland
« on: June 06, 2017, 07:58:02 AM »
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    • Ireland Was Always Ruled by Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ
    (Ireland's New PM, a globalist bumboy, right, with partner.)Ireland's election of gαy neo-con Prime Minister Leo Varadkar is consistent with its long history as an abject Masonic colony.  According to Jude Duffy, the idea that Ireland is reacting to centuries of Catholic repression is a Zionist myth. Ireland was never Catholic.


    https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/06/Ireland-Was-Always-Ruled%20%20.html
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #1 on: June 07, 2017, 03:51:17 PM »
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    • Henry Makow is a deceptive tool, who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not to be trusted, but sometimes his website does have interesting articles. 

    Ireland, from a Catholic perspective, really is a disappointment.  They have fallen so hard and so low.  Since I am in the U.S., I wouldn't really be able to get a complete view and grasp of today's Ireland. 
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 04:18:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on June 07, 2017, 03:51:17 PM
    Henry Makow is a deceptive tool, who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and is not to be trusted, but sometimes his website does have interesting articles.  

    Ireland, from a Catholic perspective, really is a disappointment.  They have fallen so hard and so low.  Since I am in the U.S., I wouldn't really be able to get a complete view and grasp of today's Ireland.

    Having lived for the past 75 years in Ireland I can assure all the contents of this article are true to history.
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 11:10:44 AM »
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    • I just read a book on this (the fall of Catholic Ireland) titled The Gentle Traditionalist by Roger Buck, which I think captures it well.  It does suffer a little from an Indultarial/Motuarian perspective (and an accidently blasphemous reference to "Saint John Paul II," thus spoken even by an ancient Saint visiting back from the dead), but on the whole is an enjoyable read and worth the price.
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 12:11:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: cassini on June 08, 2017, 04:18:40 AM
    Having lived for the past 75 years in Ireland I can assure all the contents of this article are true to history.

    The article says that Ireland was never Catholic. So you believe that this is true? 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #5 on: June 09, 2017, 10:12:52 AM »
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    • I decided to do a little research on Ireland in the Nineteenth Century. The first article I clicked on blames large Catholic families for Ireland's impoverishment.  


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    Why did Ireland’s population grow so quickly in the first half of the Nineteenth Century? The impact of the Catholic Church cannot be overstated. The Catholic Church ruled against contraception and abortions (in whatever forms existed then) and preached about the value of large families. Also, many did believe that a large family was an insurance in old age as your children would look after you. Therefore, the more children you had, the more comfortable you would be in your later years. However, a large family faced many problems when food was in short supply. When there was no supply – as in 1845 to 1847– the situation became catastrophic.
     
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #6 on: June 09, 2017, 03:32:13 PM »
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    • Ireland was Catholic in the 19/ earlier 20 centuary, but no longer, nothing to to do with big familys, it was just the way it was, most people believed in the One Holy and Apostolic Church, and tried to follow its tenets, a remarkable change has taken place here, now, very few believe in anything, and will follow everything, once its not Catholic,
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #7 on: June 11, 2017, 03:22:33 PM »
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    Why did Ireland’s population grow so quickly in the first half of the Nineteenth Century? The impact of the Catholic Church cannot be overstated. The Catholic Church ruled against contraception and abortions (in whatever forms existed then) and preached about the value of large families. Also, many did believe that a large family was an insurance in old age as your children would look after you. Therefore, the more children you had, the more comfortable you would be in your later years. However, a large family faced many problems when food was in short supply. When there was no supply – as in 1845 to 1847– the situation became catastrophic.
    This sort of statement was obviously written by the sort who supports abortion and contraception.  Where big families were practiced (as in Catholic Ireland, when that existed to any significant extent), most of those 25 kids or so a family might have simply never married.  Some would die of diseases or in battle as soldiers or be rendered infertile, and the rest would go on to become all those bachelor uncles and maiden aunts that would often so dote on the children of the few of that large family who married and started a similarly large family of their own.  Among those unmarried uncles and aunts some would become priests or monks, or nuns.  Marriage is really not for everyone, and one needs a society (and had one back then and there) in which it was no dishonor or shame to be unmarried.
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #8 on: June 16, 2017, 12:32:19 PM »
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    • Apparently as the Cromwellian soldiers advanced Father Barry with the rosary and crucifix in his hands said 'I die a soldier of Christ under the mantle of Our Lady with the cross of Christ on my hands and Our Lady's chain'. This Dominican prior of Cashel was then set on fire and martyred for the faith. He died defending the faith and his religious community. 
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #9 on: June 16, 2017, 05:03:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 08, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
    The article says that Ireland was never Catholic. So you believe that this is true?

    I think Meg the article is about the political class of Ireland in the 20th century and not about the Catholics population before Vatican II. 

    There were some good Catholic politicians during the rising against the English at the beginning of the 20th century but the overall effect was a declining Catholic influence as the years went by. Once Vatican II led the flock into the hands of the world the politicians got to work on an easy 'Catholic' population. One by one anti-Catholic laws were passed 'for the good of all' and Catholics voted for them 'for the good of all.'
    Last year we had 'Catholics' voting for same-sex marriage or not voting to allow same to become law. Last week we had our head of Government fall into the hands of an open sodomite. This week they are preparing for the jettisoning of the 'Right to life of baby and mother' to allow the murder of pre-birth children.
    Only the other day we met teenagers who thought Christendom was a place and asked where was it. Another never heard of Fatima. This is post-Vatican II Ireland. 
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 05:11:05 PM »
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    • "Ireland was never Catholic." - Makow

    This guy is really WAY out there!
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #11 on: June 17, 2017, 12:27:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on June 08, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
    The article says that Ireland was never Catholic. So you believe that this is true?
    It should be noted that Cassini is a Dog Geo...;. :jester:
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #12 on: June 18, 2017, 08:44:18 AM »
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    • My own view alas alas is the right to life will be removed from the constitution. A Mr Lacken makes a good point in the latest edition of Catholic Voice newspaper. 

    "I have spoken many times about the appalling behaviour of Catholics in the 'marriage' referendum of 2015 whereby Catholics publicly contradicted church teaching on the disordered nature of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ practices"

    "A clever marketing campaign and the thinking of men" was used instead of bearing witness to the truths of the Catholic faith which were hidden from view.

    The author shares the concerns of many of us. They are making the same mistakes and losing ground. 

    None of these pro-life groups or pro family groups sent anybody to my grandmothers funeral so I was left under no illusion where I stand. Even the 'resistance' made no contact so I have rowed back to a degree in support. 

    Many are realising now it is late in the day to start a serious Catholic resistance and decades too late. They all seem to have conceded there will be a referendum. One that I see them losing and right to life will be removed. They have only themselves to blame. There are pockets of resistance but I don't envisage this referendum being won. Our people and country and gone to the dogs. The materialist society has reduced our people to consumerist animals, who may happily vote away a babies right to life. 
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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #13 on: June 19, 2017, 08:09:13 AM »
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    • A new forum here in Ireland geared towards conservatives have raised the question.

    Why is Irish Conservatism so weak?
    An interesting reply.
    "I think the main reason is the country was run by two Parties (FF, FG) that needed massive support from the Church. So there was no perceived need until the 90s to form a Conservative moment and at that stage, it was too late."

    The few here and there that say 'we need a movement' realise it is years too late. Far too many lost opportunities. Even when money and property were available the SSPX in Ireland never expanded. Now is not the time was always the reply. Groups and individuals have taken stabs at setting up a movement but have always brought people down a dead end road.

    At the moment the pro life movement is warming towards a movement (Renua Ireland). Their leader six months ago was 'pro-choice'. The pro-life lobby is also failing to grasp that Renua has not the support of the Irish people. Another dead end road.

    Renua were all for the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ 'marriage equality' referendum. So instead of building a serious Catholic resistance the pro-life lobby are backing this movement and the Irish Bishops, who are a bunch of modernists. One or two of them are saying interesting things but again haven't the support of the Irish people.

    The National party have given us some hope. This backed with a serious Catholic resistance at grassroots will bear great fruit. The strange thing is the leader of the National party is solidly pro life as is the party yet the pro-life lobby is backing a party, whose leader was 'pro choice' until six months. Cynical electioneering on part of Renua Ireland. For the betting man or woman, I wouldn't put a euro on Renua. They are a flop and our people see right through them. 

    They are worse than Fine Gael. It will help the party led by Gerry Adams and their 'United Ireland' will be the one where the Catholic faces the firing squad as you are a minority in your country. The 'United Ireland' envisaged by Gerry Adams is not the Irish Ireland. It is not Ireland if it isn't the Catholic Irish Ireland. 

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    Re: The destruction of Catholic Ireland
    « Reply #14 on: June 19, 2017, 10:22:43 AM »
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    Well said John.

    Searching around some of my numerous papers I came across DE Valera and Catholic Ireland by Fr Francis Gallagher SSPX. It was an education. I will ask my son to copy somehow and try to post it.

    In it is the following:

    Archbishop Lefebvre was as prominent in fighting false religious liberty as he was in fighting liturgital errors. During a visit to Ireland in 1989 he remarked: "I remember when I visited Ireland many years ago, I met your President Eamonn De Valera (An American by birth by the way). He was a great Catholic. He certainly would have refused to say that Jesus is not King of Ireland. But after the Council the Vatican authorities requested from the President of Ireland to ABANDON the principle of the Kingship of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is no more publicly acclaimed King of Ireland; it is the same in many Catholic countries.
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