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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #150 on: Yesterday at 11:53:18 AM »
Read the parable of talents.
The catechism I posted quite clearly contradicts the requirements that you created.

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« Reply #151 on: Yesterday at 12:07:04 PM »
The catechism I posted quite clearly contradicts the requirements that you created.
I will give you an example in order to illustrate.

If you are the father in a family and you have two sons, as a requirement for you to be saved, you also need to try your best to be a good father.

Meanwhile, someone who vowed to stay celibate and live as a monk does not have any duty to be a "good father".

If you still have difficulties understanding the meaning of my words, I shall try again. Is there anything you do not understand? 


Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #152 on: Yesterday at 12:13:14 PM »
Trent is infallible, a catechism isn’t.  If Pius X writes his catechism prior to being pope, then it’s not infallible.  Duh.  Even if he wrote it as pope, every single sentence, it’s still not infallible.  Catechisms never are.  

The catechism of Trent, in Latin, has no mention of BOD.  

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« Reply #153 on: Yesterday at 12:48:48 PM »
Trent is infallible, a catechism isn’t.  If Pius X writes his catechism prior to being pope, then it’s not infallible.  Duh.  Even if he wrote it as pope, every single sentence, it’s still not infallible.  Catechisms never are. 

The catechism of Trent, in Latin, has no mention of BOD. 
St Pius X wrote his catechism prior to being a Pope, then he re-read it and had it read by several theologians before publishing it again.
You cannot escape the truth, unless you truly wish to persevere in this error and ignore all of the reasonable evidence I have pointed out. In which case, you can no longer be considered a mere material heretic. 

The Pope is infallible when he teaches matters of faith or morals. That is an absolute dogma. So, either of two things : you deny infallibility and you are not a Catholic, or you deny that the Catechism constitutes a statement on faith and morals. Either possibility is absurd.

So what if Trent's catechism doesn't mention BOD/BOB? That just means it is incomplete, not that it is incorrect. There is no conflict between St Pius X's catechism and Trent's Catechism that I can think of. Usually, Councils are done in order to oppose some kind of heresy that denies a major article of the faith.
If no one ever denied BOB/BOD in the past, even among protestants, then the theologians who wrote Trent's catechism probably forgot to mention the subject, because it wasn't important back then. 

I urge you to make the right choice. Will you make the choice that St Thomas Aquinas, St Alphonsus Liguori, St Augustine, St Pius X all made, or will you keep preaching this theological innovation that only has roots in the USA? 

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« Reply #154 on: Yesterday at 12:57:01 PM »
Oops sorry Lazarus, that was meant to be an UPvote.