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Author Topic: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism  (Read 4065 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #145 on: Yesterday at 07:32:41 AM »
You didn't mind using the English translation for the Catechism of Trent, but now you refuse a valid French translation approved officially by the hierarchy in 1906.

Your double-standards are extremely strange. Do you think that is how theology is practiced?
It’s not a double standard, moron.  We’ve proven that some translations are WRONG because we’ve GONE BACK TO THE LATIN and it’s different.  I accept the English translations (for certain parts) because we’ve verified it matches the Latin. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #146 on: Yesterday at 07:42:14 AM »
It’s not a double standard, moron.  We’ve proven that some translations are WRONG because we’ve GONE BACK TO THE LATIN and it’s different.  I accept the English translations (for certain parts) because we’ve verified it matches the Latin.
St Pius X's catechism was written in Italian not in latin.

Edit :

Apparently several works were called "St Pius X's catechism"... But no, both works were in Italian... 


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #147 on: Yesterday at 08:18:25 AM »

To end this debate once and for all, here is St Pius X's direct quote in Italian, in the Catechism he approved for teaching in Italy : 

"basta il Battesimo di sangue, cioè il martirio sofferto per Gesù Cristo, oppure il Battesimo di desiderio che é l'amor di carità, desideroso dei mezzi di salute istituiti da Dio." 

This is from the original Italian text... Directly approved by St Pius X, who was of italian descent and fluent in italian. And to be absolutely certain his words were not misunderstood, he also wrote :

"Chi, trovandosi senza sua colpa, ossia in buona fede, fuori della Chiesa, avesse ricevuto il Battesimo, o ne avesse il desiderio almeno implicito; cercasse inoltre sinceramente la verità e compisse la volontà di Dio come meglio può; benchè separato dal corpo della Chiesa, sarebbe unito all'anima di lei e quindi in via di salute." 

For those of you who don't know : St Pius X wrote this catechism himself, when he was still a bishop ... If anyone dares to claim St Pius X was a modernist... They are anathema and going to hell, I can say with full confidence with the full weight of the Church behind me.





Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #148 on: Yesterday at 09:28:17 AM »
I did not contradict the teachings from the Catechism you posted. Those teachings are incomplete
Incomplete? If it said any more on the subject all it could do is contradict itself.

You cannot get around it, because it is obvious that the catechism quite clearly contradicts you because you created more rigorous conditions than the catechism.

Just the fact that the catechism teaches that the recipient never even has to know that there is such a thing as baptism completely destroys your idea that there are "3 things necessary."

Don't know there is a baptism = a)no faith, b) no works, c) no desire


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #149 on: Yesterday at 09:51:31 AM »
Incomplete? If it said any more on the subject all it could do is contradict itself.

You cannot get around it, because it is obvious that the catechism quite clearly contradicts you because you created more rigorous conditions than the catechism.

Just the fact that the catechism teaches that the recipient never even has to know that there is such a thing as baptism completely destroys your idea that there are "3 things necessary."

Don't know there is a baptism = a)no faith, b) no works, c) no desire
Read the parable of talents.