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Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #135 on: March 20, 2026, 10:59:30 PM »
It is absurd for a "Catholic" catechism to teach that an unbaptized man has sufficient knowledge to make an Act of Contrition, yet the same man does not have sufficient knowledge to know that he must be baptized.  In fact, when we look at Catholic catechisms in general, most of them contain error in one form or the other.  

The Catechism of Trent is the only one which comes to mind which has the aura of infallibility, but as Cathinfo amply proves, and as traditional Catholicism proves, a great body of people even misunderstand Trent. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #136 on: March 20, 2026, 11:11:52 PM »
The only official catechisms are those in Latin.  All other translations aren’t from Rome.  Also, France was a cesspool of modernism in 1906.  The main push for V2 came from there and Germany. 
You didn't mind using the English translation for the Catechism of Trent, but now you refuse a valid French translation approved officially by the hierarchy in 1906.

Your double-standards are extremely strange. Do you think that is how theology is practiced?


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #137 on: March 20, 2026, 11:25:52 PM »
A catechism is not a “teaching”.  It does not define anything.  It is not infallible nor is it a papal decree nor does any Catholic have to read one, accept any, neither is it a sin to ignore them. 

They are a tool for the uneducated.  It is a SUMMARY of church teachings.  Not perfect, not meant to be.  Could have errors, not protected from infiltration, evildoers or stupidity.
First and foremost, the catechism wasn't meant to be used by average Catholics but by priests and bishops in order to educate. Not everyone knew how to read, so how could it be meant to be read by everyone? Those texts were subject to very meticulous scrutinity. 

Secondly, if you think you are more perfect than the ordinary magisterium, that is a laughable opinion. No one but protestants think like this. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #138 on: March 21, 2026, 05:05:09 AM »
It is absurd for a "Catholic" catechism to teach that an unbaptized man has sufficient knowledge to make an Act of Contrition, yet the same man does not have sufficient knowledge to know that he must be baptized.  In fact, when we look at Catholic catechisms in general, most of them contain error in one form or the other. 

The Catechism of Trent is the only one which comes to mind which has the aura of infallibility, but as Cathinfo amply proves, and as traditional Catholicism proves, a great body of people even misunderstand Trent.
You, as often is the case, are wrong.

Even a pagan is capable of an act of contrition. It does not require knowledge of Revelation to know that murder is wrong or that incest is wrong, since those come from the natural law.

Aristotle , despite living in pagan Ancient Greece, was able to prove God's existence (the concept of a unique God above the fake pagan gods was not obvious) through pure reason. Of course, most people do not have the intellect necessary to do so, but it shows that God's existence itself does not require someone to know about the gospels at all.

Likewise, many sins can be proven to be sins simply through the use of reason itself. Any woman capable of motherly love would feel that abortion is wrong, because this is what normal humans instinctively know. Only someone who has been deeply perverted by a degenerate society could fool themselves to think otherwise. Anyone who commit an unnatural act like killing their own child, it doesn't matter if they know about the gospels or not, they would be guilty in the eyes of God.

However, how would someone know about baptism without Revelation? That is impossible.

You do not even understand the hierarchy between the knowledge a human can access through reason, and the knowledge given to a human by God through the theological virtue of faith.

Honestly, the fact you have the audacity to think you can teach others about anything regarding the Catholic faith is astounding.

I recommend studying the Thomistic distinction between natural law and positive divine law before continuing this discussion.

There is another important factor to take into account. 

The gospels truly are excellent, divine news. Why do you think that is the case? 

Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #139 on: March 21, 2026, 05:16:39 AM »
Secondly, if you think you are more perfect than the ordinary magisterium, that is a laughable opinion. No one but protestants think like this.
You always spew vile words when you have no real argument but ignoring the evidence.