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WorldsAway,

Good morning. Kudos to you for engaging the issue and giving it some thought. Very nice to see. Thank you.

I agree that some might not have the proper disposition for receipt of justification via BoD, but they might have sufficient disposition for receipt of the sacrament of baptism:

Pope Siricius is saying give the sacrament to all of those who beg to receive it, no further questions asked: if they "should beg to be relieved by the unique help of faith, let them obtain the rewards of the much sought-after regeneration in the same moment of time in which they beg for it." That alone (the begging to receive it) would seem to indicate that they realize the gravity of their sin and the danger to their souls (attrition). These are the ones "desiring" baptism and for whom the actual sacrament is necessary, for they lack the love of God and perfect attrition that, with the desire for the sacrament, would justify before its receipt. Indeed, the sacrament itself would be "necessary" for those poor souls.

So you make a good point, but it harmonizes with my reading I think.

That's not what Pope Siricius said.

I addressed this when Ladislaus trotted out this argument some time ago. Those who read it the way you and Lad do are making a superficial reading because it suits their agenda, so they grab the quote without reading closely, with some deep thought and reflection, since perhaps there is simply lacking a mature sense of, "hey, all the doctors and sainst post-Trent say there is a BoD, but I read Pope Siricius saying, 'no, there isn't.' Maybe I should take a closer look at Pope Siricius's quote."

Here, maybe you can respond to my close reading of Siricius that keeps a harmony between him and St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alphonsus Liguori, etc. on BoD:

https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/the-necessity-of-the-sacraments-73357/msg928573/#msg928573

As typical and done repeatedly, Lad failed to respond, and walked away.

Silence can speak volumes.

Where do you come up with these three things?

How can one have the faith "or the desire for them" when they've "never even heard of the existence of the sacrament of baptism?" Nobody desires that which they do not know exists. What you say is contrary to the catechism....