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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2026, 08:12:27 AM »
I doubt that your argument is correct, because the apostles and Christ Himself got baptized, proving that baptism is at the very least necessary for those willing and able. But, let's accept your point and pretend it were correct, and look at the logical consequences. The Old thief died under the Old Law, but once Jesus Christ died and resurrected from the dead, the New Law was enacted.

I do not think your reasoning makes sense. According to you, exactly at the moment of Christ's death, millions of people (whom under the Old Law could get to heaven through a process similar to BOD/BOB) suddenly cannot. Considering that the Gospels took centuries -if not millenia- to be spread to all corners of the world, that means millions whom, under the Old Law had a chance at salvation, suddenly having no chance at salvation at all and being sent to hell, without any changes in their actions compared to their predecessors.

I do not think it would be logically consistent to do such a thing. Why would God do so?
The new law didn’t start until AFTER the church was established, which was Pentecost, not Easter.  Then, as others have said, it was further delayed until the gospel was preached, which didnt happen overnight.  God is not a monster. 

It is also said that Jerusalem wasn’t destroyed until 70AD because Christ wanted to give the Jews 1 generation (40 years) to hear the gospel and convert.  Again, God is not a monster.  Those whom had not heard the gospel could still be saved under the old law.  That didn’t apply to St Dismas, obviously.  

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2026, 03:53:21 PM »
After the Ascension of Christ, the apostles and Mary and disciples prayed for the descent of the Holy Ghost.  The Apostles did as Christ directed them.  Teach all nations.  Teach and Baptize, if they do not believe, not baptism, they are condemned.  That very day, over 3,000 were baptized.  See!  You instruct so much and baptize, and of course, we all continue to learn more about the Faith.

I agree that we baptize soon and continue.  BUT I have noticed with the idea or belief of BOD, baptisms can be delayed!  Why?!  KAB.  Knowledge begets Attitude begets behavior, is my opinion.


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #57 on: March 16, 2026, 04:15:19 PM »
The council of Trent and Pope Benedict 12 said that baptism is required under the new law which started with the promulgation of the gospel (when Christ told his disciples to teach and baptise the nations).

Your second paragraph is emotional cope. Most people are not saved. The elect are always saved. There is no reason to Doubt that God cannot bring baptism to HIS ELECT. St Augustine said Sacrament of the Mediator, this is water baptism as baptism of desire is not a sacrament as defined by the Church.
You are the one doing emotional cope. You refuse to answer my argument and along your fellow heretics you prefer name-calling me a boomer and other such nonsense.

I couldn't care any less that most of humanity goes to hell. Humans without grace are lower than beasts. You, on the other hand, are emotionally compromised because your friends and acquaintances believe in the same theological error you preach, an error that can be enough to send you to hell depending on your disposition and intents. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2026, 04:20:28 PM »
The new law didn’t start until AFTER the church was established, which was Pentecost, not Easter.  Then, as others have said, it was further delayed until the gospel was preached, which didnt happen overnight.  God is not a monster.

It is also said that Jerusalem wasn’t destroyed until 70AD because Christ wanted to give the Jews 1 generation (40 years) to hear the gospel and convert.  Again, God is not a monster.  Those whom had not heard the gospel could still be saved under the old law.  That didn’t apply to St Dismas, obviously. 
There are still places in the world where the gospel hasn't reached the people. I am thinking of North Korea, where they send newborns in jail for life because their parents owned a Bible. Moreover, the people born in gulags to be slave labour because their great-grandfather once put a newspaper in the rubbish bin cannot have heard of the gospels. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #59 on: March 16, 2026, 04:47:54 PM »
God is perfect.  whatever judgement, is perfect.  there is always Perfect Contrition.