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Offline Lazarus

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« Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 04:18:27 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on Yesterday at 01:00:57 AM
He died under the old law. Christ did not immediately open the gates of heaven.... Think about this.
Your argument goes against the chronological order of the events during the New Testament. 

Our Lord Jesus Himself got baptized and was baptizing every person who was willing. In fact, the quote you love to use to justify that BOD/BOB is false, was made by Jesus BEFORE He was crucified.

If the New Law wasn't active, why would Christ and His disciples baptize as many people as they could, risking their lives against the Pharisees and others? 


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Offline Lazarus

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 04:23:16 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyPadua on Yesterday at 01:02:24 AM
You would honour them if you believed they were actually baptised before death. God always provides for His elect.
You should read the book of Job, even those God loves the most can end up suffering in the worst ways imaginable. God sometimes stay silent or does not outwardly care about the suffering of the most saintly people under Him. That is because He wants them to accuмulate as many merits as possible in heaven. 

God always provides, yes. And not necessarily in a way that one can see with their own eyes. Otherwise He wouldn't be God. 

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Offline Lazarus

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« Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 04:33:00 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on Yesterday at 08:14:01 AM
OA,

Since you're a great admirer of the genius of O A Brownson, even reflecting the admiration in your name here, let O A Brownson explain it to you:



Or did Brownson's otherwise great acuмen get blown out of his nose with an "achoo" before he wrote that?

Or I guess his comprehension was so great that it was, to quote you, "beyond comprehension."

This is probably the sixth or so time I've quoted that to you, and you've never dealt with it. Perhaps you've grown a bit since we last "talked."

DR


Not to mention the 3 greatest theologians in Church history (St Augustine, St Aquinas, St Liguori) unanimously agree on BOD/BOB. 

From what I can see, those believing in the BOD/BOB error do not bother studying theology. They only read a bunch of random scattered texts and truncate them in order to justify their theological errors. 
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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #28 on: Yesterday at 05:21:00 PM »
Quote from: Cera on Yesterday at 04:04:18 PM
That's a sweet emotional argument. But not true.

see this:
The Catechism of the Council of Trent fully accepted baptism administered by heretics and infidels, provided that those who administered the sacrament intended to do what the Catholic Church did [does]. That is, even heretics, let alone other Christians. In Part 2: Baptism, it deals with the three "gradations" of those who may administer it.As the Catechism of Trent says, that practice was "already established by the decrees of the ancient Fathers," that is, the earliest Councils of the Church.
It is an immemorial custom.
Stubborn isnt saying that everyone will receive the ceremonies. If the elect is going to die God will provide the means for them i.e the laver and minister.
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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 05:24:34 PM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Yesterday at 04:18:27 PM
Your argument goes against the chronological order of the events during the New Testament.

Our Lord Jesus Himself got baptized and was baptizing every person who was willing. In fact, the quote you love to use to justify that BOD/BOB is false, was made by Jesus BEFORE He was crucified.

If the New Law wasn't active, why would Christ and His disciples baptize as many people as they could, risking their lives against the Pharisees and others?
This is completely wrong. Baptism was put into force after the resurrection when Our Lord told His disciples to teach and baptise the nations. The old law was not not fulfilled until Christ died, Our Lord's own words were "it is consummated", the good thief diied before these things occurred.

You are ignorant on this, that's why you have ignored the fact that Our Lord's words in Paradise did not immediately refer to the thief going to heaven but that Oir Lord would be in limbo with them very shortly. Because being with God is Paradise. Our Lord did not open the gates of heaven until after He rose again, until after he Ascended into heaven being the first to do so.

You are missing the chronological order of events.
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