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Offline AnthonyPadua

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« Reply #10 on: Today at 01:00:57 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 12:10:38 AM
Luke 23:43:

 43 And Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.


He died under the old law. Christ did not immediately open the gates of heaven.... Think about this.
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« Reply #11 on: Today at 01:02:24 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 12:13:59 AM
I defend the honor of catechumens who died as martyrs.
You would honour them if you believed they were actually baptised before death. God always provides for His elect.
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 04:54:20 AM »
March 14
Feast of Sts. Acepsimas, Bishop, Joseph, Priest, and Aithilahas, Deacon

As related by Butler:

"Joseph[...]was stretched flat on the ground, and beaten with thick twigs stripped of the thorns, by ten executioners who succeeded one another, till his body seemed one continued wound. At the sight of himself in this condition the martyr said with joy, 'I return you the greatest thanks I am able, Christ, the Son of God, who have granted me this mercy, and washed me with this second baptism of my blood, to wipe away my sins'"
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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #13 on: Today at 05:19:31 AM »
Quote from: Lazarus on Today at 12:13:59 AM
I defend the honor of catechumens who died as martyrs.
What you're defending is the honor of catechumens who were saved via their faith alone, Trent condemned this idea. I suggest that you avoid doing that from now on.

St. Aiphonsus de Liquori tells us that there were approximately eleven million martyrs in the first three centuries of the Church's history. Out of these eleven million martyrs, and the thousands of others which have been recorded since by various Church historians, there are about ten cases in which the martyrs are reported to have died without baptism. In not one of these cases can we assert or conclude positively that these persons were not baptized. 
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