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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2026, 05:14:34 PM »
There are still places in the world where the gospel hasn't reached the people. I am thinking of North Korea, where they send newborns in jail for life because their parents owned a Bible. Moreover, the people born in gulags to be slave labour because their great-grandfather once put a newspaper in the rubbish bin cannot have heard of the gospels.
Every nation on earth, after Christ, had the gospel preached to them.  North Korea may be cut off from it NOW, but 2,000 years ago, those peoples heard the gospel.

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2026, 05:46:29 PM »
Every nation on earth, after Christ, had the gospel preached to them.  North Korea may be cut off from it NOW, but 2,000 years ago, those peoples heard the gospel.
Your reasoning is illogical and quite frankly resembles Jєωιѕн-pharisee thought processes. 

Think carefully of the logical consequences of what you are suggesting. This is insanity. 


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2026, 06:08:14 PM »
In any case, I have to get rid of one misconception you have : I would be greatly surprised if even 1% of humanity ended up in heaven. 

Do not underestimate the wickedness of man, and do not forget that not only God knows perfectly every action but also every thought and hidden intent. Under those circuмstances, most people who outwardly act as if they were good would be guilty in the eyes of God.

The reason I brought up North Koreans in gulags is that rejecting the "Supreme leader" (who is worshipped as a god in North Korea) is proof that they have the natural law inside them even if they are not christian they see there is something inherently wrong with this idolatric cult.

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2026, 07:41:24 PM »
Your reasoning is illogical and quite frankly resembles Jєωιѕн-pharisee thought processes.

Think carefully of the logical consequences of what you are suggesting. This is insanity.
I don’t follow.  You’re arguing that entire nations (presently) haven’t heard the gospel.  Can any human govt stop God from sending the Truth?  Even now, there are widespread reports of Muslims having dreams and visions of Christ, who is telling them to follow Him.  Even now, there are persecutions of Christians in China and Korea.  There are many things going on which we are unaware of, in the realm of miracles.  As St Paul says, “The hand of God is not shortened” when it comes to salvation. 

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2026, 09:04:21 PM »
I don’t follow.  You’re arguing that entire nations (presently) haven’t heard the gospel.  Can any human govt stop God from sending the Truth?  Even now, there are widespread reports of Muslims having dreams and visions of Christ, who is telling them to follow Him.  Even now, there are persecutions of Christians in China and Korea.  There are many things going on which we are unaware of, in the realm of miracles.  As St Paul says, “The hand of God is not shortened” when it comes to salvation.
In North Korea, a young boy who was starving and working in the garden of the "Supreme leader" ate a fruit because he was hungry. He was accused of "treason" and wanting to αssαssιnαtҽ the "Supreme leader", then sentenced to death and publicly killed. A North Korean soldier simply asked the question "Isn't it a bit harsh?", and it was over for him. The soldier later had to risk his life in order to flee from this hellhole of a nation. 

What could that boy have done?