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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2026, 02:43:43 PM »
I know someone (Sede) whose husband wanted to do a conditional baptism because they had a NO baptism and he believed it was doubtful. He went to the SSPX since it was the only traditional group that was nearby but they kept leading him on without setting up a date.
I think they wanted to know who this man was before baptizing him. They are applying Trent's council recommendations to not baptize adults immediately, to avoid the risk of sacrilege. 

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #41 on: March 15, 2026, 02:59:05 PM »
I think they wanted to know who this man was before baptizing him. They are applying Trent's council recommendations to not baptize adults immediately, to avoid the risk of sacrilege.
To clarify he was baptized as a teenager and he remembered it. And I think they have been attending SSPX masses for a while.


Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2026, 03:12:45 PM »
To clarify he was baptized as a teenager and he remembered it. And I think they have been attending SSPX masses for a while.
This is peculiar. Maybe they are waiting for more than one person to be baptized and they want to baptize several people at once? 

I am only guessing, I have no idea. 

Personally, I wanted to do my confirmation, and I was told to wait, but that was at another parish from the CMRI. I think the priest wanted to know me better before going ahead with the ceremony. 

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Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2026, 09:35:05 PM »
 But there are circuмstances that could stop someone from getting baptized, such as the Catholic hierarchy explicitly saying not to baptize adults BEFORE teaching them the Catechism, 
This is nonsense. Firstly God is not constrained by impossibility,, He can always bring someone wayer baptism. God can certainly constrain Himself by saying He won't flood the earth again or that men require water to be born again.

The Holy Office explicitly said that a dying adult can't be baptised until he expresses belief in the Incarnation and Holy Trinity. 

I will refute your other points another time when I am not busy. Your fundamentals are lacking, this is due to blindly believing things that are inherently contradictory due to human respect. As you mentioned earlier that the Church gives Saints the title of doctor.

Are you aware that the Church gave the title of doctor and 'the theologian' to Saint Gregory nαzιanzus who denied baptism of desire?

Re: The Desire/Intention/Wish/Will to Receive Baptism
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2026, 10:13:03 PM »
This is nonsense. Firstly God is not constrained by impossibility,, He can always bring someone wayer baptism. God can certainly constrain Himself by saying He won't flood the earth again or that men require water to be born again.

The Holy Office explicitly said that a dying adult can't be baptised until he expresses belief in the Incarnation and Holy Trinity.

I will refute your other points another time when I am not busy. Your fundamentals are lacking, this is due to blindly believing things that are inherently contradictory due to human respect. As you mentioned earlier that the Church gives Saints the title of doctor.

Are you aware that the Church gave the title of doctor and 'the theologian' to Saint Gregory nαzιanzus who denied baptism of desire?
Are you of the opinion that catechumens, who died as martyrs, deserve to go to hell, and that God justly prevented them from undertaking baptism because He thought so? Would you dare claim that those who suffer do so because they deserve it? 

I was not aware that St Gregory was a Doctor before you told me. However, between one Church Doctor and three, the matter is easily settled. That is assuming I can trust you to not have truncated St Gregory's words as well, as you and your companions have proven yourselves able to do to justify your error. 

As for my fundamentals being lacking, I admit it. If only I had one hundredth of the intelligence and wisdom of a Church Doctor, I would be happy. From whence do you dare have such confidence, do you perhaps have a background as a theologian? Were you taught by a priest or a monk? Can we trust in the orthodoxy of their teachings and in the uprightness of their lives?