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« on: June 24, 2015, 01:44:56 AM »
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  • Collin Graham

    I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!! If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting. First and foremost the Confederate Flag was never a national flag representing the South, it was a battle flag flown by several armies in Virginia. Even if it had been a national flag for the South, understand that the cινιℓ ωαr wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war. The North fought the war over money (the same reason we fight half the wars these days and excuse it by saying we're fighting for another cause. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion, because, and yes this is a true stereotype, us southerners don't like to be told what to do! Lol. The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels. To touch on another subject, many say that it's a symbol of hate because it was flown over slave ships, and that's false but guess what was? The American flag. Many also say it was the KKKs flag... Google KKK.... You will see them flying the American flag more so than the Confederate Flag.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! I'm not saying this to down the American Flag because I love it just the same. I'm simply saying that, if the Confederate Flag should be removed, why not the American Flag?? The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money.... And did you know? At the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

    Racism is being projected onto the Confederate Flag, which is in return, continuing the division among us. Just because one racist lunatic supported the confederate flag, doesn't mean every person who supports it is a racist.

    The rebel flag to me means home. Southern pride. Wheat fields, sunflower fields, deer hunting, hard work, trucks, racing, family, and pride in where I'm from. Born and raised here and damn proud of it. Ignorance "flies" both ways. An item can not be racist, unless you are an easily offended person, or racist yourself.

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    Collin Graham

    I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!! If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting. First and foremost the Confederate Flag was never a national flag representing the South, it was a battle flag flown by several armies in Virginia. Even if it had been a national flag for the South, understand that the cινιℓ ωαr wasn't just over slavery, while it was the reason slavery ended, it was merely an excuse for the war. The North fought the war over money (the same reason we fight half the wars these days and excuse it by saying we're fighting for another cause. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion, because, and yes this is a true stereotype, us southerners don't like to be told what to do! Lol. The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels. To touch on another subject, many say that it's a symbol of hate because it was flown over slave ships, and that's false but guess what was? The American flag. Many also say it was the KKKs flag... Google KKK.... You will see them flying the American flag more so than the Confederate Flag.The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! I'm not saying this to down the American Flag because I love it just the same. I'm simply saying that, if the Confederate Flag should be removed, why not the American Flag?? The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money.... And did you know? At the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

    Racism is being projected onto the Confederate Flag, which is in return, continuing the division among us. Just because one racist lunatic supported the confederate flag, doesn't mean every person who supports it is a racist.

    The rebel flag to me means home. Southern pride. Wheat fields, sunflower fields, deer hunting, hard work, trucks, racing, family, and pride in where I'm from. Born and raised here and damn proud of it. Ignorance "flies" both ways. An item can not be racist, unless you are an easily offended person, or racist yourself.

    Just my two cents!!



    Thank you for the "lesson!"

    It seems to me that "...why not the American flag??" harbors a salient point:  They're actually planning on precisely that, and taking down the Confederate flag is a 'trial run' or a.k.a. "trial balloon."  Baby steps.  If they can pull this off, then next verse, same as the first... IMHO.

    How many rotten servings will the American people take before we stand up and do something about it?  

    If anyone can verify this, please do:  I heard that Bl. Pope Pius IX wove a crown of thorns with his bare hands, and sent it overseas -- To Robert E. Lee.  Is this true?

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2015, 10:46:15 AM »
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    … If anyone can verify this, please do: I heard that Bl. Pope Pius IX wove a crown of thorns with his bare hands, and sent it overseas—to Robert E. Lee. Is this true?


    The ascertainable facts are as follows. Note, however, that the person involved was Confederate President Jefferson Davis, not General Lee. That much is certain.

    (1) In May 1865, shortly after the end of the War of Northern Aggression, Jefferson Davis was confined extralegally (the politest description) in a victor's prison, where he was subjected to cruel and inhumane treatment for two full years. Sometime in 1866, Davis received a signed photographic portrait of Pius IX from the pontiff's hand; he inscribed it with a paraphrase of Matthew 11:28: "Venite ad me omnes qui laboratis, et ego reficiam vos, dicit Dominus."

    (2) Sadly, there is no hard evidence whatsoever that the pope sent Davis a crown of thorns woven by his own hands. Davis's widow, Varina, was the first to make the claim that the crown accompanied the inscribed photo; Davis himself never did. (NB: It hardly seems likely that Davis, who spoke and wrote of how deeply moved he was to have been sent the inscribed photo, would neglect to mention the crown of thorns had it been part of the papal missive.) What is more, the Vatican archives give no indication that such an artifact was sent to Davis, either by the pope or by anyone else in an official capacity.

    The Confederate Museum in New Orleans displays the crown (or it used to, at any rate) and attributes its plaiting to Pius IX, but there is also good reason to think that Varina Davis wove the crown herself and, subsequent to her husband's death, "exaggerated" its provenience.

    (3) It is a matter of no little interest that the most prominent "debunkers" of the crown story have been Jєωs, who are of course the primary exponents of the "South was evil, evil, evil" attitude toward American history generally and the so-called cινιℓ ωαr particularly (this is indeed now the Establishment's dogmatic view of the matter). They clearly have the most to gain by its dismissal from human memory. Note, too, that this is the very same subset of the human race that, when told that there is no docuмentary evidence whatsoever to support the Hitler government's alleged plan to exterminate first German then world Jєωry, invariably screams in response that the absence of docuмentary evidence just goes to show how secret and far-reaching and diabolical the plan actually was!

    Yet if we mere Gentiles allow ourselves to think and behave as the Jєωs do, we become no different and, especially, no better than they are. So we ought to adhere to the rules of evidence, and in accordance with those rules, it should be concluded that the attribution of the crown of thorns to the hands of Pope Pius IX cannot be substantiated.

    See here and here and here for starters. The last of these is pretty thin gruel, but the final three italic paragraphs on the page more or less accurately summarize the central differences between what Jєωιѕн establishment "historians" and authentic scholars of the so-called cινιℓ ωαr have to say about its root causes.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 24, 2015, 11:07:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: claudel
    See here and here and here for starters.


    There is also this.

    Scroll about a quarter of the way down, past the initial comments and the follow-up chatter, till you get to the docuмent excerpts. They tell an interesting tale.

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    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 08:30:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew (Jun 24, 2015, 2:44 am)
    Collin Graham
    I'm sorry but I'm about to preach and teach!!  If you want to fight a cause, understand what you are fighting.  [Remainder elided.]

    C'mon, Matt, how's 'bout giving your CathInfo readers a break?

    I've wasted much more than an hour in trying to track down your source, starting with a name that seems distinctive enough, while using Ixquick, and the all-seeing eye of Google, and even (arrrgh!) Facebook pages that were shown as matches, but really turned out to be dead ends.  But both search-engines placed your own few-days-old posting at or near the top of their results.

    Who or what is "Collin Graham"?  Is that the name of a real human author, or is it, e.g., a marketing firm?  Why should I believe anything that's written under such a name?  And how's 'bout a usable citation--including a link if your source is on line?

    Good grief!  It seems awfully strange to me that  an attentive owner-moderator like you would fail to do such routine things when presenting someone(?) else's preach[ing] and teach[ing] about a controversial symbol that's notorious for the self-righteous ignorance, revisionism, and propaganda, and overt hatred whirling around it.  A symbol that lately motivated a notoriously opportunistic current PotUS to publicly meddle in its politics.

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  • I grew up around confederate flags.  In the area where I come from, to us it means heritage and the good kind of pride (not sinful) that one has for where he is from and family values.  It's all over the town from where I am from and the black folks there never complained about it and the white people who have them there never preached hate for black people.  Texas (not from there) is a little different from the southeast.  In Middle Tennessee and northen Alabama it is associated with the most conservative elements of society.  There are a lot of rednecks who sport it and some of them are racist and some aren't.  But they're better than the queer lovin' liberals on the other side of the mason-dixie.
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    2nd national flag



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    this is the flag of the army of northern Virginia and a naval flag.

    my head explodes when people call it the Confederate Flag[/i]

    every state had one heres North Carolinas

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  • All of them beautiful.  But the flag that has become the flag representing the confederate states is more or less now a Southern flag, regardless of how it came into existence.  What it represents today is what matters.  It represents the most conservative elements of American culture, family, heritage, pride in where you're from.  That's what the flag is about, and for the sake of not having to say that it is "the flag of the army of northern Virginia and naval flag", let's just keep it simple and call it the confederate battle flag.  It is a threat to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr because it is a flag that symbolizes states rights to govern themselves, and the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr wants to govern the world, so they want the flag to disappear.  Don't mess with Dixie.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2015, 09:54:47 PM »
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  • I'm a Hoosier, but I'll be purchasing a Stars and Bars and hanging it by our front door soon.
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    « Reply #11 on: July 03, 2015, 07:47:02 AM »
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  • It isn't really about the flag.   They tried to burn  the American flags the other day in Brooklyn New York.  Look at Obama.  He had the rainbow flag shine on the White House.  
    The ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ liberal atheist traitors want to rid this country anything that is decent holy and
    American.  

    As they ban the Confederate flag and Dukes of Hazzard, they are also removing the 10 Commandments.  

    All American flags will be replaced with rainbow the which is the official flag of the New Order.
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    « Reply #12 on: July 03, 2015, 12:29:41 PM »
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  • There are a few Towns in Texas that still sport the Confederate Flag.

    In the summer of 2008 I was on a Passenger Train pulled by Amtrak to a Town that
    have not seen a passenger train in 50 years. The Town on the road from Amarillo,
    Texas to the Raton Pass in New Mexico, is named after a Famous Indian Chief.
    We were greeted by a Cavalry of Horse Men all carried the Confederate Battle
    Flags. The train came from Fort Worth, Texas.  
    On the train, there were passenger from all over the U.S. and Canada. People
    whom like to ride trains. And go through out the country and the world just to
    ride trains.
    No one was offended and all enjoyed the hospitality that the citizens of the
    town gave us.
    This is why I believe it will be proven that Charleston shooting was just an
    another fαℓѕє fℓαg.  
    Events in the nation and the world are happening so fast that it is now
    impossible to digest them if they are true and fall into a mass media frenzy.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 19, 2015, 03:38:32 PM »
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  • I was near the foot of the Capitol Building in Columbia, SC the long week they finally pulled it down.

    As usual you had a few blacks who were not entirely enthusiastic about protesting the flag and one nerdy white douchebag getting in everyone's face and telling everyone (you could not argue with this moron or he would yell over you) that this was a racist symbol and if it was up to him the Confederate (Battle) Flag would be illegal.

    I on the other hand was wishing that the Confederate States would have won the cινιℓ ωαr because then myself and the rest of the world would not have to deal with this sick American Imperium that corrupts and takes over the whole world with their putrid values and cowardly ways.