Author Topic: The Carnal Jew (Read 1303 times)

Croix de Fer · « **on:** April 04, 2017, 04:56:54 PM »

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Macarius · « **Reply #1 on:** April 11, 2017, 02:35:23 AM »

What is the purpose of promoting this video against Jews?

Were not all the Patriarchs and Prophets Jews?

Did salvation not come from the Jews, for surely Our Savior was born a Jew? As Jew and High Priest, is he not the fulfillment of the Scriptures, the Covenants, and in and of himself the Messianic Kingdom?

Was not the most Holy Theotokos and the Blessed Apostles Jews?

Does not St. Paul write that the Gentiles were grafted into Abraham's tree? That Jews and Christians are co-heirs, so that there is neither Greek nor Jew, but all are Christ?

Did not the Doctor Angelicus Aquinas teach:

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Those Jews who have in no way received the faith, ought not by no means to be compelled to the faith: if, however, they have received it, they ought to be compelled to keep it.

Did not Pope Pius XI decree:

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the Catholic Church has always been accustomed to pray for the Jєωιѕн people, who were the depository of divine promises up until the arrival of Jesus Christ, notwithstanding their subsequent blindness, or rather, because of this very blindness. Moved by that charity, the Apostolic See has protected the same people from unjust ill-treatment, and just as it censures all hatred and enmity among people, so it altogether condemns in the highest degree possible hatred against the people once chosen by God, viz., the hatred that now is what is usually meant in common parlance by the term known generally as “anti-Semitism.”

There is no denial that the Jews do not recognize our Lord and Savior as the Messiah, but is this reason to despise them or make fun of them? Do we despise or make fun of Catholics who greatly embarrass the Church in word and deed?

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #2 on:** April 11, 2017, 04:41:36 PM »

Quote from: Macarius on April 11, 2017, 02:35:23 AM

What is the purpose of promoting this video against Jews?

To warn people of the wickedness of Jews and their hatred for Christians.

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Were not all the Patriarchs and Prophets Jews?

They were true adherents to the Faith of Abraham. They were true Israelites, just as the Catholic Church, which was founded by Jesus Christ, is the true Israel. The Jews who conspired against, rejected and crucified Jesus Christ, and still reject Him, today, became the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan (Revelation 2:9 & 3:9). They ruptured themselves from Abraham and his fullfillment - the Catholic Church. They're outside the ark of salvation, today, just as many ealier Jews who worshipped & offered sacrifices to Baalim instead of the true God as foretold by the prophet Jeremias. The modern Jews, and since they rejected Christ, exhibit the genetic curse stemming from the events in Matthew 27:25, hence they're not of the same phenotype as Christ and the early Hebrews, and, arguably, they're not of the same genotype, especially after the Diaspora, which was also punishment from God for their rejection of Christ.

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Did salvation not come from the Jews?

Salvation is of, not "from", the Jews. That means the early Hebrews - adherents to the Faith bestowed upon Abraham - were saved for worshipping the only true God. The verse in John 4:22 ("salvation is of the Jews" spoken by Christ) refers to the Israelites who, due to their huge sins, had been delivered by the the Lord into the captivity of the Assyrian king. Subsequently, nations were sent to inhabit Samaria, but the Lord showed all nations that he had not delivered up His people because of a physical weakness, but solely on account of their sins. God sent lions into the Samaria to persecute the new inhabitants. When the Assyrian king learned of their predicament, he sent them a priest to teach them the law of God. However, they never fully withdrew from irreverence & sacrilege. Many of them returned to worshipping their idols while worshipping the true God at the same time (basically polytheism).

The Haydock Bible further explains, "It was on this account that Christ preferred the Jews before them, saying, that salvation is of the Jews, with whom it was the chief principle to acknowledge the true God, and hold every denomination of idols in detestation; whereas, the Samaritans by mixing the worship of the one with the other, plainly shewed that they held the God of the universe in no greater esteem than their dumb idols. (St. Chrysostom in St. Thomas Aquinas)"

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For surely Our Savior was born a Jew? As Jew and High Priest, is he not the fulfillment of the Scriptures, the Covenants, and in and of himself the Messianic Kingdom?

Yes, which is why He called the Jews who rejected Him, and still reject Him, today, "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan who call themselves Jews but lie". In rejecting Christ they rejected their own Mosiac Law and prophesy that He fulfilled, hence they ceased being real Jews.

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Was not the most Holy Theotokos and the Blessed Apostles Jews?

Yes, but the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan refers to her as a "hair dresser whore", and they sought to kill the Apostles before, during & after Pentecost. They still persecute the Church to this very day, hence why I posted this thread.

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Does not St. Paul write that the Gentiles were grafted into Abraham's tree? That Jews and Christians are co-heirs, so that there is neither Greek nor Jew, but all are Christ?

Let's back up just a bit. Firstly, in order to stay in Abraham's tree, the Jews had to believe in Jesus as the Christ. Their rejection of Him ruptured themselves from that tree. What part of "for you are all one in Christ Jesus" don't you understand? It means only people who are baptized into Jesus Christ with water and spirit, and believe in Him, are saved, despite their race, sex, economic status or other demographics. But the key is they must be baptized into Christ and live His teachings. You also conveniently omitted verses 26 & 27 (calling for both Faith and Baptism, which logically lead to the truth in verses 28 & 29 proclaiming we are saved in Jesus Christ. So if a Jew continues in his faithlessness and rejection of Jesus Christ, and he doesn't get baptized into Him, how does that Jew put on Christ? How is he one with faithful, baptized Catholics in Christ? He isn't. When he dies, he is damned for eternity.

St. Paul is telling us in that verse that Jesus Christ destroyed the genetic supremacy requirement, which the Jews still believe and teach about themselves to this very day, for salvation. This salvation and higher status reserved for Jews is the real racism, not the "nαzιsm" Tall Tale that's indroctrinated into the masses as a tactic to deflect attention away from racism inherent in Antichrist Judaism.

St. Paul also tells us the Jews are murderers of the prophets and they killed Jesus Christ, and they're adversaries to all men. (1 Thess. 2:14-15)

Here are some saints' teachings about the Jews:

"[...] God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., "Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!" Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the ѕуηαgσgυє, hold it in hatred and aversion." ~ St. John Chrysostom

"If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God-the-Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers; for they cried out: "His blood be upon us, and upon our children (Matthew xxvii.25)." ~ St. Basil the Great

"Since this wicked generation did not know that it should repent, but daily became more wicked, its last state was worse than its first ... The evil and adulterous generation of the Jews were to be condemned because of their hard and unrepentant hearts." ~ St. Bruno

"Jews are cursed and covered with malediction as by a cloak. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!" ~ St. Agobard

"I knew in my faith that the Jews were accursed and condemned without end, except those who were converted." ~ Bl. Juliana of Norwich

"One who dies a Jew will be damned." ~ St. Vincent Ferrer

　

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Did not the Doctor Angelicus Aquinas teach: Those Jews who have in no way received the faith, ought not by no means to be compelled to the faith: if, however, they have received it, they ought to be compelled to keep it.

The Catholic Church defined and affirmed, Ex Cathedra, there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Case closed. Jesus Christ dwelt among the Jews and told them of the necessity to believe in Him. The Church must act accordingly to the modern Jews.

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Did not Pope Pius XI decree:
the Catholic Church has always been accustomed to pray for the Jєωιѕн people, who were the depository of divine promises up until the arrival of Jesus Christ, notwithstanding their subsequent blindness, or rather, because of this very blindness. Moved by that charity, the Apostolic See has protected the same people from unjust ill-treatment, and just as it censures all hatred and enmity among people, so it altogether condemns in the highest degree possible hatred against the people once chosen by God, viz., the hatred that now is what is usually meant in common parlance by the term known generally as “anti-Semitism.”

You conveniently left out the immediate following: "Nevertheless, noting and considering that the association "Amici Israel" then embarked on a plan of acting and communicating at variance with the sense of the Church, the mind of the holy Fathers of the Church, and the sacred liturgy, the Most Eminent Fathers, upon the earlier recommendation of the Consultors, decreed in the plenary session held on Wednesday, March 21, 1928, that the association "Amici Israel" must be abolished, and declared it abolished in fact, and they ordained that in the future no one shall venture to write or publish books or booklets that in any way whatsoever promote erroneous initiatives of this sort."

Basically, this means Catholics must avoid partnering with these kinds of sneaks (albeit a Catholic org of clerics but obvious infiltrators) embarking on a subterfuge against the Church, despite their facade of "good intentions". It's no different than the earlier fathers and saints telling us to avoid Jews except when telling them of the necessity in accepting and believing in Jesus as the Christ.

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There is no denial that the Jews do not recognize our Lord and Savior as the Messiah, but is this reason to despise them or make fun of them? Do we despise or make fun of Catholics who greatly embarrass the Church in word and deed?

You invert reality. This video shows Jews blaspheming Our Lord Jesus Christ and hating Christians, but you expend the energy and time being an apologist for Christ-hating Jews, and project the real racism and hatred manifested in world Jewry onto me or other Catholics.

You lose, Jew.

GottmitunsAlex · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2017, 05:04:59 PM »

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Nadir · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2017, 06:28:26 PM »

Croix de Fer, Your post in answer to Macarius' blindness should be pinned for posterity.

Hey Matthew, where are the pinned threads when you need them?

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