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Offline IndultCat

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Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
« Reply #90 on: April 24, 2025, 04:51:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 24, 2025, 04:49:23 PM
    Here’s what you forget— God and the Church DEMAND that you pray for the repose of catholic souls.  However evil they were.  It’s not a choice, it’s part of our Faith.
    Exactly! The key word there is "CATHOLIC" souls. Bergoglio was not even "remotely" CATHOLIC. 
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #91 on: April 24, 2025, 04:58:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on April 24, 2025, 04:41:46 PM
    The funny thing is Bergoglio seemed to give Saint Pius X a visit on April 12.

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-surprise-visit-st-peters-basilica.html

    And he refused the last sacrament. (Don't know if it is true or not)

    https://x.com/NovusOrdoWatch/status/1915021713638609159


    And he also included this in his Easter address (just hours before his demise):

    There can be no peace without freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of expression and respect for the views of others.

    And I'll leave it at that. 
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    Offline TheRealMcCoy

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #92 on: April 24, 2025, 05:04:51 PM »
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    • Council of Trent PART IV : THE LORD'S PRAYER


    PRAYER
    Importance Of Instruction On Prayer



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    Prayer Disarms The Divine Vengeance


    Finally, as St. Jerome observes, prayer disarms the anger of God. Hence, these words of God addressed to Moses: Let me alone, when Moses sought by his prayer to stay the punishments God was about to inflict on His people. Nothing is so efficacious in appeasing God, when His wrath is kindled; nothing so effectually delays or averts the punishments prepared for the wicked as the prayers of men.

    The Dead


    Prayers for the dead, that they may be liberated from the fire of purgatory, are derived from Apostolic teaching. But on this subject we have said enough when explaining the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.


    Sinners

    Those who are said to sin unto death derive little advantage from prayers and supplications. It is, however, the part of Christian charity to offer up our prayers and tears for them, in order, if possible, to obtain their reconciliation with God.

    No mention of reserving prayers for Catholics only.  Maybe I'm missing something?

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #93 on: April 24, 2025, 05:21:03 PM »
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    • This is just a general rant.  It is better for me to get it out then to stuff it.  So read at your own risk and know I mean no ill will to anyone in particular.

    I know we want punishment for the evil that has seemed to destroy the Church.  I guess I just don't understand why "Pope Francis"  was any different that "Pope John XXIII", and all the "Popes" in between.

    I don't know why we don't try to bring down more graces by doing the more Catholic thing.  Prayer and Penance.  We currently have no one to point to and say "Hey look at them they are the Catholic we need to follow."  So we are all scattered sheep and scattered ants and scattered (add whatever you want) who only have books and teachings from a Church that existed some 60 years ago and none of us experienced first hand.  It is hard, to say the least.  Then you look at CathInfo and make the assumption that we are all trying to be in the same boat and then we write pages and pages of arguments against each other.
    Maybe we are all just screaming because we feel so unheard and alone with no direction and no visible Church and we know its' not over because the world has not ended because we are all breathing and able to type and still express our opinions about the whole thing.

    So prayers for us all and hopefully we don't have 60 more years of this crazy mess.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #94 on: April 24, 2025, 05:22:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 04:51:10 PM
    Exactly! The key word there is "CATHOLIC" souls. Bergoglio was not even "remotely" CATHOLIC.
    He was baptized, doofus.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #95 on: April 24, 2025, 07:20:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 24, 2025, 05:22:21 PM
    He was baptized, doofus.
    And so were Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι. That still doesn't mean they are Catholics. They do not profess the True Catholic Faith and therfore are not Catholics. 
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #96 on: April 24, 2025, 09:28:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 04:51:10 PM
    Exactly! The key word there is "CATHOLIC" souls. Bergoglio was not even "remotely" CATHOLIC.

    Divine Providence provides insight into the fate of the modernist popes.

    The premature putrefied bodies of Pacelli and Montini, Roncalli found in a masonic, face down position in his coffin. 

    JPII's Vatican blessing by 160 jews, his resulting euthanasia and then this photo... all signs for those with eyes to see.



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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #97 on: April 24, 2025, 09:37:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 24, 2025, 09:28:06 PM



    Let's just not try to pretend this proves anything ... much less that it proves anything about Bergoglio.  Maybe a sign, maybe not ... but just a coincidence or a fluke on a single still frame.  Someimtes clouds look like stuff too.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #98 on: April 24, 2025, 09:48:25 PM »
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    • Jews did the same thing and may still do it now: say they are catholic, under a catholic banner, BUT ALL dioceses are masonic!  Isn't it clever! Hiding.  
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #99 on: April 24, 2025, 11:54:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on April 24, 2025, 09:28:06 PM

    Divine Providence provides insight into the fate of the modernist popes.

    The premature putrefied bodies of Pacelli and Montini, Roncalli found in a masonic, face down position in his coffin.

    JPII's Vatican blessing by 160 jews, his resulting euthanasia and then this photo... all signs for those with eyes to see.



    It is a Big Mistake to put Pius XII
    w/ the other anti-popes . :confused:
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #100 on: April 25, 2025, 04:58:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 07:20:43 PM
    And so were Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι. That still doesn't mean they are Catholics. They do not profess the True Catholic Faith and therfore are not Catholics.
    Unfortunately, once one is baptised a Catholic, one remains canonically Catholic forever unless one formally defects from the Church.

     Even the excommunicated remain canonically Catholic, otherwise they would no longer be subject to the Church's discipline.

    It is very easy to confuse sinfulness and being a "bad Catholic" with leaving the Church. Biden and Peℓσѕι are certainly moral heretics. Are they doctrinal heretics? They are certainly bad Catholics, but no authority has declared them excommunicated neither have they defected from the Church.

    The contemporary claimants to the Papacy -- Roncalli possibly although certainly Montini down through Bergoglio -- have been heretics prior and during their claimed papacies. As such, their papacies were void or at least doubtful since they were manifest heretics. However, none of them were excommunicated or personally defected from Church membership, so they remained Catholics, albeit in bad standing. Had any renounced their heresies, they would have been restored to grace, restored to good standing in the Church, and the defect in their claimed papacy would have been healed so that they could have become formally and truly Pope.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #101 on: April 25, 2025, 07:30:14 AM »
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    • And for centuries cardinals suspended or excommunicated have been allowed to vote in conclave.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #102 on: April 25, 2025, 09:26:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Philip on April 25, 2025, 07:30:14 AM
    And for centuries cardinals suspended or excommunicated have been allowed to vote in conclave.

    Not centuries ... I believe it was St. Pius X who first made that stipulation.  But this refers to those excommunicated by ecclesiastical law, not those who are outside the Church by divine law, i.e. heresy, schism, etc.  There's no penalty that could be lifted that would suddenly render them members of the Church.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #103 on: April 25, 2025, 09:34:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on April 25, 2025, 04:58:17 AM
    Unfortunately, once one is baptised a Catholic, one remains canonically Catholic forever unless one formally defects from the Church.

     Even the excommunicated remain canonically Catholic, otherwise they would no longer be subject to the Church's discipline.

    Canonically perhaps ... (speaking to the material / formal distinction), but that doesn't mean hereitcs/schismatics retain membership in the Church.  According to the principles of sedeprivationism (which make sense) such ones who remain canonically / materially in the Church, but not formally, can exercise various functions, such as making appointments and the purely-legalistic / canonical thing ... but cannot, for instance exercise teaching authority.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #104 on: April 25, 2025, 09:36:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 25, 2025, 09:26:13 AM
    Not centuries ... I believe it was St. Pius X who first made that stipulation.  But this refers to those excommunicated by ecclesiastical law, not those who are outside the Church by divine law, i.e. heresy, schism, etc.  There's no penalty that could be lifted that would suddenly render them members of the Church.
    I suspect it does actually.  The footnote in Pius XII's constitution references legislation of Clement V and Pius IV:

    "[27] Clem. V, cap. 2, Ne Romani, § 4, de elect., I, 3 in Clem.; Pii IV Const. In eligendis, § 29; Greg. XV Const. Aeterni Patris, § 22."

    I take your point about Divine law but the question then is who decides its application sede vacante? 
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