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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
« Reply #45 on: April 24, 2025, 12:12:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 11:46:14 AM
    Whether they realize it or not, they are a much bigger problem than those they criticize of having "bitter zeal" because they have focused so much attention on "mercy mercy mercy" 

    And just as the Lord said it was better for Judas not to have ever been born than to do what he did,
    You obviously are clueless as to why Judas was damned.  He was not damned for betraying Christ but because he despaired and rejected God's mercy.  :facepalm:
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #46 on: April 24, 2025, 12:16:47 PM »
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    When fighting a war, whether physical or spiritual, "surrendering" is NEVER an option and neither is showing "mercy" to the Devil.
    Francis was a human being, not a devil.  God created him from all eternity, just like he created you.  God desired that Francis go to heaven; that's why we pray that he converted.  Because GOD WANTED HIM TO CONVERT.

    You have this misguided idea of the Church militant.  Our job is to attack errors, not attack human beings.  Our job is to pray against the devil, not wish that evildoers go to hell.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #47 on: April 24, 2025, 12:55:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on April 24, 2025, 12:16:47 PM
    Francis was a human being, not a devil.  God created him from all eternity, just like he created you.  God desired that Francis go to heaven; that's why we pray that he converted.  Because GOD WANTED HIM TO CONVERT.

    You have this misguided idea of the Church militant.  Our job is to attack errors, not attack human beings.  Our job is to pray against the devil, not wish that evildoers go to hell.
    With this attitude, it's no wonder the Church is in the mess it's in. 
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #48 on: April 24, 2025, 01:07:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on April 24, 2025, 12:10:37 PM
    Show me in the New Testament where Jesus directly approved of such hard speech as what you have spoken above.
    Gladly: "As for these enemies of mine bring them here and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27)

    Bergoglio, one of several false anti popes, was trusted with the most "sacred" responsibility on earth: to help strengthen and nurture the faith of the devout in the One True Church as the "Vicar of Christ on earth". He not only failed miserably at this but also intentionally did so with the most evil methods of deceit.  He was no more the "Vicar of Christ on earth" than Satan.   
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #49 on: April 24, 2025, 01:11:41 PM »
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    • Satan "hoped" for Bergoglio to be damned...it is an interesting alliance so-called "trad" "Catholics" have made
     
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #50 on: April 24, 2025, 01:13:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 12:55:51 PM
    With this attitude, it's no wonder the Church is in the mess it's in.
    Your attitude is quite myopic and immature.  You're only looking at evil from a human perspective (i.e. how it affects you).  You're missing the big picture, in that this world is full of chaos, evil and sin.  In spite of all of this, God wants ALL sinners to repent and have salvation with Him in heaven.  That's what GOD WANTS.

    St Peter and Judas both sinned equally horribly against Christ.  St Peter repented; Judas did not.  Christ wanted them both to repent.  You want Judas to suffer.  

    You also don't understand hell.  God still loves those in hell and the reason they suffer is PRECISELY because of God's love, which THEY rejected.  God suffers (in human expression) because those in hell will never be with Him.  God is not happy that Judas is in hell, or anyone.  Because all souls are made for Him.  

    Our Lady didn't come at Fatima and preach for us to "fight the evildoers" (which we still must do).  No, Her message was "sacrifice for sinners" and "pray for the Church".  The salvation of ALL SOULS (even evil persons) was included in Her message.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #51 on: April 24, 2025, 01:16:03 PM »
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    Bergoglio, one of several false anti popes, was trusted with the most "sacred" responsibility on earth: to help strengthen and nurture the faith of the devout in the One True Church as the "Vicar of Christ on earth". He not only failed miserably at this but also intentionally did so with the most evil methods of deceit.  He was no more the "Vicar of Christ on earth" than Satan. 
    God still wanted him to convert.  He wants all sinners to convert.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #52 on: April 24, 2025, 01:18:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 01:07:59 PM
    Gladly: "As for these enemies of mine bring them here and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27)

    Bergoglio, one of several false anti popes, was trusted with the most "sacred" responsibility on earth: to help strengthen and nurture the faith of the devout in the One True Church as the "Vicar of Christ on earth". He not only failed miserably at this but also intentionally did so with the most evil methods of deceit.  He was no more the "Vicar of Christ on earth" than Satan. 
    Here is the entire passage.

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    26 But I say to you, that to every one that hath shall be given, and he shall abound: and from him that hath not, even that which he hath, shall be taken from him.  27 But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither, and kill them before me.  28 And having said these things, he went before, going up to Jerusalem.  29 And it came to pass, when he was come nigh to Bethphage and Bethania, unto the mount called Olivet, he sent two of his disciples,  30 Saying: Go into the town which is over against you, at your entering into which you shall find the colt of an ass tied, on which no man ever hath sitten: loose him, and bring him hither.

    Does that passage actually mean what you think it means?  I am confused because no one was brought to Jesus and killed in front of Him.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #53 on: April 24, 2025, 01:19:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on April 24, 2025, 12:10:37 PM
     What did Jesus do?  
    Jesus went and got a whip and whipped some moneychangers out of his temple because they were desecrating it. Imagine what he would've done to Bergoglio and the other false "Vicars of Christ" if he walked the earth today! He probably would say to a Cardinal or Bishop what he said in Scripture: "Bring them here and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27)

    It was THIS CORRECT READING of Scripture that lead and inspired faithfully devout Christians to defend Christendom against the Muslim armies during The Crusades and identify and punish manifest heretics during The Inquisitions. There was no talk of "Divine Mercy" toward the worst enemies of the Church and that's why the Church was strong back then. 
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #54 on: April 24, 2025, 01:29:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 01:19:31 PM
    Jesus went and got a whip and whipped some moneychangers out of his temple because they were desecrating it. Imagine what he would've done to Bergoglio and the other false "Vicars of Christ" if he walked the earth today! He probably would say to a Cardinal or Bishop what he said in Scripture: "Bring them here and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27)

    It was THIS CORRECT READING of Scripture that lead and inspired faithfully devout Christians to defend Christendom against the Muslim armies during The Crusades and identify and punish manifest heretics during The Inquisitions. There was no talk of "Divine Mercy" toward the worst enemies of the Church and that's why the Church was strong back then.
    1) All of God's corrective/punishments are done, so that the sinner may 'wake up' and repent.
    2) Praying for the souls of evil men in no way prevents us from fighting their errors, or even fighting them in a war.  
    3) The Inquisition's main purpose was to find heretics/fake catholics and give them (multiple) opportunities to either a) convert or b) quit being a fraud catholic.  Only those who deliberately/repeatedly pretended to be catholic (while continuing to incite/promote anti-catholic ideals) were put to death.

    You have this either-or, binary mentality.  You're not distinguishing between God's justice and His mercy, both of which we are to exemplify, at once.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #55 on: April 24, 2025, 01:35:20 PM »
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    • "Woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." (Mark 14:21)....

    This is why we didn't "just forgive" and just "show divine mercy" to the Church's enemies. The Church members did not let Muslims and Heretics get away with destroying the Church in centuries past. The Church fought enemies no matter who they were.

    Today, most of the Church members have a self-defeating and suicidal attitude toward nurturing, strengthening and preserving their faith and their Church, which is strange since they "allegedly" believe thrir Church to be the One True Church.  This is one reason I cannot stand the Novus Ordo Catholics and most Tradotional Catholics. They complain and complain endlessly about their Church being destroyed and then attack those who have a viable "solution" as being "bitterly zealous". 

    People who are extremely zealous simply take their religion much more seriously than those who are not extremely zealous.  And if the One True Church and your religion is the most important thing in life, then to be extremely zealous makes perfect sense.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #56 on: April 24, 2025, 01:42:59 PM »
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    This is why we didn't "just forgive" and just "show divine mercy" to the Church's enemies. The Church members did not let Muslims and Heretics get away with destroying the Church in centuries past. The Church fought enemies no matter who they were.
    Fighting the Church's enemies does NOT include wishing them to hell.  :facepalm:  You can fight an enemy and pray he converts.  All at the same time. 
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #57 on: April 24, 2025, 01:49:45 PM »
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    • Someone above wrote something like: "In the past, those who falsely represented popes and preached anti Catholic doctrine were put to death."

    This PERFECTLY explains the actions of ALL of the false antipopes over the past several decades. However, today's Catholic not only tolerates these scoundrels but also praises and adores them.

    While I don't believe in sanctioning the murder of any living false pope, I do, however, believe that Bergoglio's rotting and cursed corpse should be put in front of a Holy Tribunal (along with the rotting and cursed corpses of the other recent false popes such as "Paul the Sick", "JP2" and "Ratzinger the Rat") where Church officials would read aloud to the all of the faithful their manifest crimes and heresies against the faith and against the Church. Then conclude the Holy Tribunal by immediately burning their rotting and cursed corpses on a pyre for all the world to see. I believe this is the only way that SANCTITY can be brought back into the Church.

    Do I think this will ever happen? Not at all.
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #58 on: April 24, 2025, 01:52:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: IndultCat on April 24, 2025, 01:35:20 PM
    "Woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for that man if he had not been born." (Mark 14:21)....

    This is why we didn't "just forgive" and just "show divine mercy" to the Church's enemies. The Church members did not let Muslims and Heretics get away with destroying the Church in centuries past. The Church fought enemies no matter who they were.

    Today, most of the Church members have a self-defeating and suicidal attitude toward nurturing, strengthening and preserving their faith and their Church, which is strange since they "allegedly" believe thrir Church to be the One True Church.  This is one reason I cannot stand the Novus Ordo Catholics and most Tradotional Catholics. They complain and complain endlessly about their Church being destroyed and then attack those who have a viable "solution" as being "bitterly zealous".

    People who are extremely zealous simply take their religion much more seriously than those who are not extremely zealous.  And if the One True Church and your religion is the most important thing in life, then to be extremely zealous makes perfect sense.
    But the Catholic way is Union with God.  The Catholic way is dying to self.  There is enough in us to conquer, we don't need to distract ourselves with others.  And once we have become servants of God, then we will hear what God wants us to do.  God will call some to war, some to take care of the sick, some to convert sinners, etc. 

    Please explain your viable solution.
     
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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #59 on: April 24, 2025, 01:57:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on April 24, 2025, 01:52:27 PM
    Please explain your viable solution.
    I did explain it above: A Holy Tribunal concluding with the burning of Bergoglio's cursed and rotting corpse on a pyre (along with the corpses of the other recent false popes). 
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