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Offline DecemRationis

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Fascinating and mysterious considerations, from St. Augustine:

By all means, I think these [prophetic developments] are better understood with regard to the Church, lest the Lord Jesus, with His second coming drawing near, seem to have foretold as being of great consequence [developments] that had been accustomed to happen to this world even before His first coming, and [lest] we be laughed at by those who have read in the history of nations more and much greater things than the ones at which we tremble as the final and most important of all. For the Church is the sun and the moon and the stars, to which it was said, “fair as the moon, bright as the sun” (Canticle of Canticles 6:9). In this world our Joseph [=son of Jacob and Rachel] is worshipped [=venerated] by the [moon], as though in Egypt [when he had been] lifted up on high from the lowliest [condition]. For the Joseph’s mother, who died before Jacob had come to his son, was certainly unable to worship him, in order that the truth of the prophetic dream (Genesis 37:9), to be fulfilled with Christ the Lord, might be preserved.

For when “the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved,” just as this passage was recorded by the other two Evangelists (Matthew 24:29, Mark 13:24), the Church will not be perceptible at that time, with the ungodly persecutors raging beyond measure and with all fear laid aside as though the world’s good fortune were smiling approvingly, while they say, “Peace and security” [1 Thessalonians 5:3]. Then the stars shall fall from the heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved, because many who seemed to shine brightly with grace will yield to the persecutors and will fall, and some of the most valiant faithful will be confounded. However, for this reason, according to Matthew and Mark it is said that this will take place after the tribulation of those days, not because these things will happen after that entire persecution has been brought to an end, but because the tribulation will come before, in order that certain people’s defection [from the faith] may follow. And because it will come to pass in such a way through all those days, therefore after the tribulation of those days, but all the same it will nonetheless come to pass in the same days.

(St. Augustine, Epistola CXCIX, par. 39; in Collectio Selecta Ss. Ecclesiae Patrum, vol. CXLVIII (Paris: Parent-Desbarres, 1835), pp. 127-128; underlining added. Professional translation commissioned by Novus Ordo Watch.)

Also Augustine says: “Unbelievers think that the Christian religion will last for a certain period in the world and will then disappear. But it will remain as long as the sun – as long as the sun rises and sets: that is, as long as the ages of time shall roll, the Church of God – the true body of Christ on earth – will not disappear” (In Psalm. lxx., n. 8). And in another place: “The Church will totter if its foundation shakes; but how can Christ be moved?…Christ remaining immovable, it (the Church) shall never be shaken. Where are they that say that the Church has disappeared from the world, when it cannot even be shaken?” (Enarratio in Psalm. ciii., sermo ii., n. 5).

(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum, n. 3)


Good quotes, Maria. Here's another one from St. Augustine, from his Exposition on Psalm 101(102), using it against the Donatists, who claimed that the Catholic Church apostasized and that they were (at that time) the remnant Church:


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Moved by your [the Donatists] voices and your false opinions, she [the Church] asks God to let her know the fewness of her days and discovers that the Lord has said: Behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the age [Mt 28,20]. Here you say: He has said it of us; we exist, we will exist until the consummation of the age. Let's interrogate Christ himself, whom she asked: Let me know the fewness of my days. And this gospel of the kingdom, says he, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come. [Mt 24,14]. What did you say: The Church surely once was and has perished? Listen to the Lord who makes me know the fewness of my days. This Gospel, says he, will be preached. Where? In the whole world. Why? For a testimony to all nations. And then? Then shall the consummation come.

Do you see not that there are still nations among whom the Gospel has not been preached? Since then it is needful that what the Lord spoke shall be fulfilled, declaring unto the Church the fewness of my days, that this Gospel be preached in all nations, and then that the consummation may come, why is it that you say that the Church has already perished from among all nations, when the Gospel is being preached for this purpose, that it may be in all nations? Therefore the Church remains unto the consummation of the world, in all nations;
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Let not therefore heretics flatter themselves against me, because I said, the fewness of my days, as if they would not last down to the end of the world. For what has he added? O my God, take me not away in the midst of my days Psalm 101:24. Deal Thou not with me according as heretics speak. Lead me on unto the end of the world, not only to the middle of my days;

It was quoted by a former member, Struthio, in a thread about what the "consummation of the world" means. There is a good argument that it doesn't mean last day when Christ returns. It's discussed in the thread below. The idea is that the "consummation" is a series of events, including the Antichrist, Great Apostasy, etc. If that is the case, the disappearance of a Catholic hierarchy with the true faith and genuine jurisdiction is explained, since the Church as it was known for over two centuries - with a hierarchy with the true faith and genuine jurisdiction - lasted "until" this "consummation," which - remember, Great Apostasy - we're in now, awaiting Christ's return.

Lots of food for thought, quotes of the Fathers, etc. in the thread:


https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/105/


Offline Boomerang

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:( Something’s wrong with a person who’d like to burn down churches. And whoever supports burning heretics at the stake, something is wrong with you, too.
Seriously, who on CathInfo would go to see someone burnt alive?
If you’re that into it, churches in Canada are getting burnt down on a regular basis.
If you’re into stake burnings, they’re still doing that in Iran and Afghanistan, other Muslim places. Only be careful because to them, you’re a heretic.
The burning of heretics is a Church approved method of capital punishment.
The contrary proposition "That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit" was condemned by Pope Leo X in Exsurge Domine.



[...]  from his Exposition on Psalm 101(102), [...]

Side note: Let's please avoid Masoretic numbering around here. Even if inadvertent, it nonetheless dignifies an abhorrent system which sneaks in wherever it can to pollute whatever good intent in the rest of the statement.

No small irony that the subject line of this thread, Ted Cruz, is a shameless public judaizer. Even in small things, let's not copy this oily snake's example.


Good quotes, Maria. Here's another one from St. Augustine, from his Exposition on Psalm 101(102), using it against the Donatists, who claimed that the Catholic Church apostasized and that they were (at that time) the remnant Church:


It was quoted by a former member, Struthio, in a thread about what the "consummation of the world" means. There is a good argument that it doesn't mean last day when Christ returns. It's discussed in the thread below. The idea is that the "consummation" is a series of events, including the Antichrist, Great Apostasy, etc. If that is the case, the disappearance of a Catholic hierarchy with the true faith and genuine jurisdiction is explained, since the Church as it was known for over two centuries - with a hierarchy with the true faith and genuine jurisdiction - lasted "until" this "consummation," which - remember, Great Apostasy - we're in now, awaiting Christ's return.

Lots of food for thought, quotes of the Fathers, etc. in the thread:


https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/105/

Thank you for sharing, I will take a look!

I am sharing the following not to condone unjust punishment or useless violence, but just for the record, the Church historically supported burning heretics at the stake:

“Influenced by the Roman code, which was rescued from oblivion, the Hohenstaufen emperor, Frederick II, who was anything but a warm supporter of the papacy, introduced the penalty of burning for heretics by imperial law of 1224 (cf. Monum. Germ., IV Leg., II, 326 sqq.). The popes, especially Gregory IX (d. 1241), favoured the execution of this imperial law, in which they saw an effective means not alone for the protection of the State, but also for the preservation of the Faith.” — The Catholic Encyclopedia, Religious Toleration, Volume 14
We are laymen, we do not have the authority necessary to condemn anyone to the death. If, someone was legally prosecuted and under the correct process was found guilty, of course they would have to pay the price.

However, I fear that if the conciliary sect prosecuted and burnt anyone, it would be real christians.

Do not mistake my restraint for any sympathy towards evil. But, we do have standards compared to others, don't we?