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    I’m curious what others thoughts are on this article (ignore the TFP thing- I have husband who reminds me regularly why he doesn’t like them and it isn’t relevant to my question).
    I never thought how pervasive this line of thinking is for education, but it makes a lot of sense considering my experiences in the school system as well as how our society now functions. What kind of stresses me out is that this understanding of education is very prominent in the homeschooling curriculum world and I want to avoid it like the plague while still tailoring my curriculums as need be for children. 
    Has anyone here made an intentional effort to educate completely differently from this? What did you do exactly that was different in concept/ and or practice?


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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • How John Dewey’s Theories Can Explain the Crisis of Catholic Catechesis
    August 2, 2018 | Edwin Benson 


    To say that there is a crisis in the world of Catholic catechesis is an understatement. Three generations of Catholic young people have been ill-served by the formation in the faith that they deserved but did not receive.
    Of course, they did not object much, nor are many of them objecting now. Many are simply gone from our midst, never having known the richness of the faith that they have forsaken.


    Catholics have long agonized over the causes of poor catechesis. Anyone reading this lament could list the usual suspects. There are too many homilies that are long on vague assertions that we should love each other, but woefully short on doctrine and warnings against sin. There is the doctrinal confusion that came with “the spirit of Vatican II.” All too many modern catechists are poorly formed in the faith themselves. Daily religion lessons in Catholic schools of the past have been largely replaced by 45-minute weekly sessions for public school children called CCD. And the list goes on.

    Perhaps another cause might be the pernicious effect of the educational theories of John Dewey.

    At first blush, that may seem like an incredible stretch. Dewey was unashamedly agnostic. He may have been baptized since his Protestant mother had significant religious inclinations. However, if he ever darkened the door of a Catholic church, the event is unrecorded. He died a decade before Vatican II was first convened.
    For those unfamiliar with John Dewey (1859-1952), he was a philosopher and education reformer that heavily influenced the American education to this day. Perhaps his most important tenet is that the goal of education is to teach children how to learn and think, rather than to transmit information from one generation to another. He affirmed that truths are discovered rather than taught.

    If anyone agrees with the last two sentences, it just goes to show how influential he has been.

    In common Catholic educational circles, Dewey’s influence can be seen by those who affirm that helping students experience the love of God is far more important than teaching a set of dogmas.

    The Love of God and the graces that come to us because of that Love is clearly of paramount importance. However, to emphasize the experience runs the risk of grave error. We have all heard–or perhaps even said–“I feel closer to God walking through the forest than I do in church.” The occasional experience of feeling that God is all around us can be marvelous, but the experience is not enough. We cannot go through life bouncing from experience to experience. Life is lived out day-by-day. For every lofty experience, there are months of tedium. We gain knowledge by practice or through facts and techniques shared by others. ***


    John Dewey taught relativism regarding morals and accepted anything that might work for the occasion.
    That takes us back to John Dewey. Dewey argued that the experience IS the way that we learn. The experience drives us on to gain greater knowledge, motivates us to learn. Driven by the experience, learning is fun, interesting, maybe even fulfilling. Without the experience, learning is dead, boring, and tedious. It fills the head with unconnected facts that have no meaning to the student and are quickly forgotten. Replicate or simulate the experience, Dewey tells us, and then deep learning becomes possible.

    How could this relate to the life of a developing Catholic? Let us think of a young person who has an intense religious experience. Unfortunately, those experiences are usually short-lived, passing quickly amid the pressures of school, work, or friends.

    It is a very old, and far too common story. Our Lord told it to us in the parable of the sower. It is the story of the seed that fell on rocky ground, sprang up quickly, and then withered.

    How did our current catechists learn to teach? Usually they are volunteers, having received little or no training in methods. They were taught to teach by experiencing the methods used by their own teachers. The underlying assumptions of those teachers–and their teachers–go unexamined.

    So, even though most catechists have likely never heard of John Dewey, his ideas are present in their classrooms. Dewey’s methods, formed in the first two decades of the twentieth century, became the basis of most teacher training in the U.S. By the fifties, his process has become virtually universal in schools–both public and Catholic. Very likely, his methods formed the way in which we were taught.

    The problem with Dewey’s focus on experience is that it puts the cart before the horse. The facts have to come before the experience. When we are planting seeds of learning, the soil is the set of facts that we already know. Those facts, far from being lifeless, are the sustainers of the life of the mind and soul. The facts give substance to the experience. The knowledge puts the experience into perspective.

    If the pernicious influence of John Dewey is to be discarded, we have to get over two fears–the fear of facts and the fear of boredom.

    There is no learning without facts. The objective nature of truth is basic to life. Sometimes we learn facts in an ordered sequence, sometimes there is no pattern at all–but learn them we must. Certain letter combinations produce words. Words have meanings. Unless we agree on the meaning, the words become useless. Grass is green because of photosynthesis. Two times two equals four. The Normans conquered England in 1066. Jesus died to save us from the enormity of our sins. These are facts. Nothing on earth will change them. Ignore them at your peril.

    Students will sometimes be bored. They need to learn to deal with it, as we all do. At some point in life, experiences become boring as they become commonplace. When the work that we can do becomes boring, we just have to grin and bear it–going to work and back home every day is not an optional activity. Failure to go to work brings serious financial consequences.

    This is also true in the life of the Church. Sometimes going to Holy Mass is a beautiful experience. Other times, our fallen human nature causes us not to focus on the beauty of the Mass. We come to see going to Mass as an obligation. If we fear boredom and worship each new experience, we may well decide not to go to Mass. Not fulfilling that obligation constitutes mortal sin. We might go to Mass week after week and see no obvious benefit. However, sometimes we go to Mass because it is an obligation and it becomes an experience in which we sense God pouring out His grace. The fact of the obligation comes first–the experience doesn’t happen without it.

    No student can be excited into grace. Catechists do not provide the grace. The grace is a free gift from God, to be dispensed in His time and His way. The job of the catechist is to teach the truths of the faith and pray that God will provide the graces that make those truths meaningful.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • Has anyone here made an intentional effort to educate completely differently from this? What did you do exactly that was different in concept/ and or practice?
    My first impression upon reading the article is that it shouldn't be difficult for the parent/teacher because "experiences" often mean lots of work for the teacher whereas "dull" transmission of information is easier to come by.  ;)
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • Honestly, I can see plenty of teachers falling into this trap of Mr. Dewey's when teaching history or science -- where you feel the need to make it all "real" or "alive" and neglect the basic passing on of facts. But, religion? What would an "experience" in catechism class look like?
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson

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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • Honestly, I can see plenty of teachers falling into this trap of Mr. Dewey's when teaching history or science -- where you feel the need to make it all "real" or "alive" and neglect the basic passing on of facts. But, religion? What would an "experience" in catechism class look like?
    When I was active in the Novus Ordo Church, I attended the Los Angeles Religious Educational Conferences put on annually by the Los Angeles Archdioceses under the discredited Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles.

    To rejuvenate the Novus Ordo Mass and to give positive experiences to those who attended the Religious Education Conferences, because the solemn Latin Mass of Pius V was no more, these religious ed conferences had lots of tactile, touchy experiences such as Clown Masses, Black Masses, Beer Masses, Beach Masses (think people clad in bikinis), etc. The priests wore colorful costumes while scantily clad dancers pranced around and circus music was played instead of sacred chant. It was abysmal.

    As part of Renew, another festival sanctioned by Cardinal Mahony, at the end of the three day retreat for youth, they had a special sit down "dinner" mass where the youth (18 - 30) re-enacted the Last Supper and concelebrated with the priest holding up pieces of leavened bread and a goblet filled with wine.  I felt uneasy but my confessor had recommended it.

    Other experiences for youth included learning to trust each other. Youth would walk around the Church grounds blindfolded with another youth guiding them. Since these youth were not trained, there were accidents.

    Art projects were done where youth were encouraged to draw how they felt. Thus, there was a lot of psycho-babble mixed in with religion.

    Music popular with youth was intermingled with the "sacred" in the hopes that youth would be reached with the saving words of Christ. Most of the time, this did not happen. Instead, many of the youth were led astray by the worldly and sɛҳuąƖly explicit messages of the popular songs.

    Thank goodness I was able to get a new confessor who led me away from such folly.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • Quite a good article.


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    If the pernicious influence of John Dewey is to be discarded, we have to get over two fears–the fear of facts and the fear of boredom.

    Surely this is the same writer.

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    Can America's Schools Be Saved: How the Ideology of  American Education Is Destroying It
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    Edwin Benson
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36439735-can-america-s-schools-be-saved

    Although the article is not directed to homeschool, and it seems to be more concerned with catechising that homeschooling, it nevertheless has some useful points to consider.

    I was fortunate to attend a parish school throughout the 50's in a time before the "NEW" education had been introduced so I was able to transmit what I gained to my own children. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
    « Reply #6 on: August 09, 2018, 11:28:10 AM »
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    The problem with Dewey’s focus on experience is that it puts the cart before the horse. The facts have to come before the experience. When we are planting seeds of learning, the soil is the set of facts that we already know. Those facts, far from being lifeless, are the sustainers of the life of the mind and soul. The facts give substance to the experience. The knowledge puts the experience into perspective.
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    A good example of this principle is the following.
    Consider you are planning to travel to Europe for a guided tour of Catholic sites, and you have the choice of going with a Catholic group led by a priest, or going with a secular group led by a non-Catholic tour guide. Each group is going to visit some of the same sites (but not all the same). Which group would you suppose will provide a more Catholic experience for you and the others in the group?

    Then consider that you have the option of studying in advance the history of the areas and sites you're going to visit. Do you suppose you would benefit from knowing something about that history before you go on your trip, or not?

    In both cases, you will greatly benefit from learning in advance of your trip something about the history and Catholic traditions attached to the various regions and sites you will visit. And likewise, whether you have a priest to guide you along the way will make a great difference. Of course, it will be of even greater benefit for you if the priest is a traditional Catholic priest as distinguished from a Newchurch priest.

    For if you go on your trip unprepared, without having learned in advance anything of the various histories, you will be entirely subject to the experience itself, come what may. Go check out any of the numerous guide books available at bookstores or libraries, and you will find them saying that your experience will vary tremendously from person to person, because it will be a personal interaction you will have with Europe, and you never really know what you will encounter ahead of time, so your readiness to engage the experience to the fullest will make a big difference to your enjoyment of the tour. If your trip is with non-Catholics, you could end up spending your whole time hearing about how wonderful Martin Luther was and how terrible the Catholic Church was in Europe. In all likelihood, many of the sites you would visit would be Protestant churches.

    The point is, it makes a difference where you get your information! An analogy would be, "When you lie down with dogs, expect to rise with fleas." It helps your later experience greatly to do some homework first, but be careful whose version you study when you learn your FACTS.

    I have an example of this. I had just one 5-minute conversation with one Newchurch parishioner, who was happy to announce her plans to visit Italy; one her stops was going to be the area of Assisi. A nearby stop was going to be Loreto, where the "Holy House" is located.


    She had no idea what this "Holy House" is, so I proceeded to explain it to her briefly. I said that in the 13th century, the stone house where Our Lady received the Incarnation, and then later returned as the Holy Family to raise Our Lord Jesus together with St. Joseph, was miraculously carried across the Mediterranean Sea to Dalmatia, and then a few years later was again transported by angels across the Adriatic Sea to Italy. While I was telling her this, she stood there shaking her head, saying, "No...no...no..." She was entirely unwilling to believe anything I said about it. Since this was her first exposure to the history, she was incredulous, but not only because it was me telling her, but because she had become accustomed to doubting fantastic stories for most of her lifetime, as she was born and raised in the Novus Ordo environment of "historical criticism" of everything Catholic. Therefore, she would be unwilling to look up the history in advance of her trip, and when she went to see the Holy House firsthand, she would then be prepared not to appreciate it, but to look for every reason to doubt its history!

    Following is an excerpt from an inspirational website page describing the history of the Holy House of Loreto:

    ...The undaunted investigators, at any rate, discovered that this “chapel” contained an ancient altar, a beautiful statue of the “Holy Mother of God” and a cross bearing her crucified Child. Realizing it was no ordinary incident, the shepherds ran off to the local church of Saint George to awaken Father Alexander Georgevich. The puzzled priest, after investigating the clay “church” himself, could offer little explanation to the humble crowd that gathered. That night the weary old prelate, although severely crippled with arthritis, spent hours in prayer beseeching enlightenment from the “Virgin Most Powerful.” In his sleep the “Mother of Good Counsel” rewarded his humility by answering his request in a dream.

    “Know that his house,” she said, “is the same in which I was born and brought up. Here, at the Annunciation….I conceived the Creator of all things. Here, the Word of the Eternal Father became man. The altar which was brought with the house was consecrated by Peter, the Prince of the Apostles. This house has now come to your shores by the power of God….And now in order that you may bear testimony of all these things, be healed. Your unexpected and sudden recovery shall confirm the truth of what I have declared to you.”

    The next day the sudden disappearance of Father Georgevich’s familiar malady was quite obvious. He then announced that it was she, who is called “Health of the Sick” who had cured him and related the vision of the night before. The peasants of Tersatto now knew for sure that this was the sacred little home of their Savior. They venerated it accordingly.

    Then suddenly on December 10, 1294, three years later, the little house disappeared as mysteriously as it had come. This time however, the angels were not so successful in bearing it away without notice! The alert shepherds of Tersatto reported the departure. And across the Adriatic Sea the happy victims of insomnia, who strolled about — rushed home with reports of a mysterious passage overhead of a little house — borne aloft by angels. The awesomeness of the spectacle gave hint that it was the work of the Son of the “Queen of Angels.”

    To this very day the people of Tersatto in Dalmatia (Yugoslavia), as well as people in the Italian Marche region, on the night of December ninth and tenth at three a.m. rise to the sound of exalted bells and light their customary bonfires as they sing litanies of praise to the “Cause of Our Joy.”

    Across the sea in Italy a little plain called Banderuolo, four miles from the city of Lecanati welcomed the Holy House when the angels lowered its uneven walls onto the wooded area. It took almost no time for people to hear of the arrival of this strange airborne house. Thousands of people began to make pilgrimages to it and it rapidly gained a reputation as a place of cures. But unfortunately as the pilgrims increased, so did the bandits that lurked in the surrounding forest. Slowly the house of prayer became surrounded by a den of thieves. Feeling the same justified anger that once compelled Him to cast the buyers and sellers from His Father’s House, Our Lord withdrew the House itself!

    Once again the soft flutter of angel’s wings stirred the night air as they relocated the home of the “House of Gold.” This time its foundationless walls settled down on the Antici property in Lecanati. Tradition tells us, not long after this that the two brothers who owned the property took to fighting. The cause of the riff was probably over the Holy House itself, each claiming to own the plot it occupied or perhaps taking credit for its having chosen the land because of their personal holiness! Tradition calls it a quarrel, but it must have been quite brutal to have caused the “Refuge of Sinners” to abandon the site. At any rate as soon as the Santa Casa moved — the brothers reconciled.
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    There are several Internet sites that provide accounts of the history of the Holy House of Loreto. For reference exemplifying the principle that it makes a difference where you get your information, below is an excerpt from a secular site that covers the same topic:
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    According to a 14th century legend, after the Holy Land came under the control of Islam in 1263, the Holy House was flown by angels to Dalmatia (in modern Croatia) in 1291, where a vision revealed it to be Mary’s house. Three years later, in 1294, it was again transported by angels to Recanati and finally, in 1295, to a laurel grove, the ‘Lauretanum,’ for which Loreto is named. The myth of the Holy House states that when the Holy House was lowered into place the nearby trees bowed down in respect.
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    Analysis of literary sources, however, indicates that the transport of the Santa Casa happened by sea and not through the assistance of angels. During the medieval period of Christian history it was common for monks and crusaders to be called ‘angels’ by the common people, this explaining the legend of ‘angels’ flying the house from the Holy Land to Loreto. Archaeological evidence and docuмents uncovered in 1962 suggest that the house may indeed derive from the region of Nazareth as its limestone and cedar construction materials are not available in the area of Loreto.
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    The Holy House itself is quite small, and its single room with a small altar contains a Black Madonna statue and a blue ceiling with golden stars. In 1469, a large Basilica was built over the Holy House. Having been remodeled and reconstructed numerous times over the ensuing centuries, the Basilica has a Renaissance exterior and a Gothic interior.
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    This latter-referenced site ends by giving equal credence to the trans Atlantic flight of Charles Lindbergh and the Apollo 9 mission to the moon, which, apparently, would garner much more credibility than mythical "angels" carrying a stone house over the Mediterranean!
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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • I was fortunate to attend a parish school throughout the 50's in a time before the "NEW" education had been introduced so I was able to transmit what I gained to my own children.
    Even though I also was fortunate to attend parochial schools in the 50's, by the late 1950s, priests and nuns were teaching modernism. My parents were flabbergasted. They had paid expensive tuition to send us to good schools, only to discover that heresy was being taught, especially situation ethics.

    This was in the San Francisco Archdiocese, which was very quick to offer the liturgy in the vernacular starting as early as 1960. The priest used the English translation provided in the Latin Mass book. Soon after, we had those pew booklets with the English translation only so the people could follow along.
    Lord have mercy.


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  • Cardinal Mahoney had black masses, as in offered to Satan???  I had no idea it was this bad.

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  • Cardinal Mahoney had black masses, as in offered to Satan? ?   I had no idea it was this bad.
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    That's Mahony --- easily misconstrued with baloney (same pronunciation).
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  •  by the late 1950s, priests and nuns were teaching modernism. 
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    They never admitted that. They never said, "Today we're teaching Modernism." 
    They never gave any recognition of their protracted slide into Modernism.
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    And when accused (which was pretty rare, surprisingly) they laughed it off as though it was ridiculous.
    Kind of like the behavior of Sean Johnson, come to think of it. 
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    In the encyclical of Pope St. Pius X that condemns Modernism, this topic is addressed. 
    It describes the reaction that Modernists display whenever anyone accuses them of practicing Modernism.
    Do you know what the encyclical describes in this regard?
    If you don't, then you haven't really understood its contents, or maybe you haven't bothered to read it.
    But you can read it and still not understand what it contains, unless you read it with a set of questions in mind.
    Questions like this one, which see.
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    In his day, he was not facing yet the abuse of the term, Modernism, which we have since Vat.II.
    Along with Vat.II came the penchant of those enmeshed in Modernist error accusing their opponents of Modernism!
    The term has been reduced to a thing thrown around like in a mudslinging frenzy.
    An example of this is flat-earthers, who accuse their opponents of Modernism, which is pretty funny, really.
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    Re: John Dewey’s Theories and How to Avoid Them in Your Homeschool
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  • Cardinal Mahoney had black masses, as in offered to Satan???  I had no idea it was this bad.
    The Black Masses were those that celebrated the Black or African tribal culture. Sorry if I misled you. These "Masses" worshiped not Christ, but man's black ethnicity; they focused not on sacred chant, but on tribal music and tribal dance.

    The Religious Education Conference also had Native American Masses and Hispanic Masses, which also perverted the Mass to worship man's individual race and ethnicity.

    Did not this further our divisions so that we were no longer one people of God?

    These all employed John Dewey's Modernistic teachings, which led ultimately to agnosticism and atheism.

    Here is Pius X definition of a Modernist. See Pascendi Dominici Gregis, ed. Claudia Carlin (Pierian Press), p. 72, col 2.

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    It must be first noted that every Modernist sustains and comprises within himself many personalities: he is a philosopher, a believer, a theologian, an historian, a critic, an apologist, a reformer. These roles must be clearly distinguished from one another by all who would accurately know their system and thoroughly comprehend the principles and consequences of their doctrines.

    Although not Catholic, was not Dewey a Modernist? He was a philosopher, an historian, an agnostic believer, a critic, an apologist for his brand of education, and a draconian reformer of the entire educational system. Furthermore, his system was employed by Catholics everywhere, especially in the Catholic universities and in the CCD programs.
    Lord have mercy.

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  • The effect of Mahony's Religious Education Conferences were to divide us. Although the Archdiocese claimed that they were uniting us in the faith, this was a bold face lie.

    Instead, these Religious Ed Conferences tore us apart so that we had to go to our own racially separated churches and become very parochial.

    And Dewey's Modernism has done the same. Our schools are very divisive parochial battle grounds that train our youths to be rebellious, agnostic free-thinkers.


    Lord have mercy.