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Offline Geremia

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Although the Supreme Court now decided that the Little Sisters of the Poor are exempt from the HHS Mandate, certainly a temporary victory for them, Hobby Lobby, because it is not a "church" affiliated organization, is not exempt.

In other words: The U.S. government now defines who is and who isn't  a "church"-affiliated organization, and thus, by extension, who is and who isn't a "church"!

I'm really curious what they'd define the SSPX.
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CHESAPEAKE, VA (Catholic Online) - In the wake of the full US Supreme Court granting an Injunction to protect the Little Sisters of the Poor from the hostility of the Obama Administration while their case works its way through the Court System, there is another historic story related to the HHS Mandate involving Hobby Lobby, Inc.

The Lawyers of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, who represent the Little Sisters, also represent Hobby Lobby. The cases are different, but spring from the same fundamental root of Religious Liberty. Hobby Lobby is a for profit business dedicated to Christian principles in the operation of its business.

We have witnessed an ominous trend in the United States. Classical, faithful Christians who uphold the unbroken teaching of the Church and the scriptures concerning the dignity of every human life and the truth concerning marriage as solely between one man and one woman and formative of family, are being squeezed out of commerce.

This is not the first time in our two thousand year history as a Christian people that we have faced the reality of having to avoid some aspects of commerce because of the corruption of the cultures in which we live. It is not our first time facing the hostility of worldly Caesars demanding that we bend the knee. It is simply that few thought it would happen in the United States of America with its robust protection of religious freedom embedded in its founding docuмents.

The trend is ominous. We need to expose and oppose it by defending all of the Rights protected by the US Constitution, including the free exercise of religion, the right to free speech, free association and the right to participate in commerce. However, we also need to be aware that morally coherent Christians, who live a unity of life and believe that their faith informs every aspect of their life, are at the beginning of a period of growing persecution. We must pray, band together and act.

The hostility being faced by Hobby Lobby is an affront to all of us. It calls all faithful Christians, Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox, to solidarity. They filed a lawsuit back in September of 2012 which can be read in its entirety here. You can find an excellent update on the many cases challenging the HHS Mandate which seeks to compel Christian employers to (directly or indirectly) provide Chemical abortifacients, sterilization and contraceptives here.

This attempt by the Obama Administration to compel compliance with this unjust edit violates the Constitution and the fundamental right to Religious freedom. It is a blatant violation of the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution. However, the Obama Administration has made it very clear once again in their responsive filing before the US Supreme Court in the Little Sisters of the Poor case that they are not backing down. They intend to use the police power of the State to compel compliance.

I present to our global readership a memorandum issued by Hobby Lobby which shows the integrity and heroic courage of the leaders of this business. Pray for them. Heroic Hobby Lobby should challenge all faithful Christians To courageous resistance and fidelity
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Julian the Apostate, an emperor during the Arian crisis, incentivized being Arian over Christian when he "issued a decree that all titles to lands, rights and immunities bestowed since the reign of Constantine upon the Galileans, as he contemptuously called the Christians, were abrogated, and that the moneys granted to the Church from the revenues of the State must be repaid."

Similarly today: true Church doctrines like extra Ecclesiam nulla salus or the divinity of Christ are going to disqualify us a "church" status in the eyes of the U.S. government, whereas adherents to Modernism will monetarily benefit.

But, on the bright side, this only reaffirms what Pope Gregory XVI said, as Bl. Pope Pius IX reaffirmed in Mirari Vos, viz., that it is an "insanity" (delirium) that "liberty of conscience and worship is each man's personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society".

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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2014, 02:18:38 AM »
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  • Geremia:"I'm really curious what they'd define the SSPX."

    Is the SSPX still listed on the SPLC hate-group list? If so, that is probably how the govt would define it. Come to think of it, that may be one of the reasons for the sea-change in the past few years. I would imagine they would very much want to be off of that particular list, and would make whatever changes necessary to achieve that end.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 02, 2014, 01:46:07 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    I consider it a compliment to affiliated with a group blacklisted by the SPLG.  Being removed from their list means I'm headed in the wrong direction!
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    « Reply #3 on: February 02, 2014, 03:01:42 PM »
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    Geremia:"I'm really curious what they'd define the SSPX."

    Is the SSPX still listed on the SPLC hate-group list? If so, that is probably how the govt would define it. Come to think of it, that may be one of the reasons for the sea-change in the past few years. I would imagine they would very much want to be off of that particular list, and would make whatever changes necessary to achieve that end.


    They're run by the Jєωs correct? They wouldn't approve.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 02, 2014, 03:52:03 PM »
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  • We handed ourselves over to them when we accepted 501c.  The gov already uses that to silence the pulpit.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 02, 2014, 04:14:39 PM »
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  • When any faith-based organization, takes Federal Grants, then that is the clencher, in my thoughts.  They, federal, own you the faith-based organization.  Federal can tell the faith-based organization what to do.

    That is why I say, that those of the new order, which do the above, are not catholic.  They are doing the agenda of the Federal gov't, and so, they are not doing any religion, so what is next? Tell the New order that they must do as they are told, like do the same-sex marriages or else.  well, those clergy know this?!  Of course they know this and have been doing it for decades.

    The truth is not what the clergy say, or write or even do,  that is truth, it is where the money goes that tells you where they truly are.  So, is the new order a new branch of the Federal Gov't?  Sure, why not.  And don't let the people know, just keep them there, keep them guessing.  Keep the banner of Catholic waving over their heads, keep them fooled.

    So far they have done a great job of fooling alot of people.  If it works, they will keep it going.

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    « Reply #6 on: February 02, 2014, 04:29:06 PM »
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  • This reminds me of the thread talking about the SSPX school in Australia teaching freemasonic principles because (I believe) it was required by the government.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2014, 04:47:06 PM »
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  • Matto: yep, you got the idea and that is why "Core" curriculum is in "catholic" schools, that are not catholic. Run by the gov't under a banner.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2014, 08:03:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ursus
    Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
    Geremia:"I'm really curious what they'd define the SSPX."

    Is the SSPX still listed on the SPLC hate-group list? If so, that is probably how the govt would define it. Come to think of it, that may be one of the reasons for the sea-change in the past few years. I would imagine they would very much want to be off of that particular list, and would make whatever changes necessary to achieve that end.


    They're run by the Jєωs correct? They wouldn't approve.
    Yet, are Jєωs the top donors for the SSPX seminary project in Virginia, U.S.A.?
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    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2014, 08:08:00 PM »
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  • Is the seminary up and going?  Who is running the shop?

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    Geremia:"I'm really curious what they'd define the SSPX."

    Is the SSPX still listed on the SPLC hate-group list?
    Yes. See this. They're one of the many "radical traditional Catholic" groups.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 02, 2014, 08:17:05 PM »
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    Is the seminary up and going?  Who is running the shop?
    Apparently the Gutmanns are donors; they're a family who amassed their wealth by partnering with Salomon Rothschild:
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    Siscoe:  Another company name that is mentioned is Jaidhofer Foundation. Can you discuss this company?

    Krah:  Yes, this is linked with the SSPX ... There is a family in Austria which wanted to donate to the SSPX, but did not want to donate directly. They wanted to establish a foundation that would support the SSPX.  And in every foundation you need some trustees.  It’s a kind of trust, and I am one of the trustees.  I was chosen by the family who established the foundation ...  This foundation is supporting the SSPX and using the money which was donated by this family. As an example, it is supporting the new Seminary project in Virginia ...
    (source: The Remnant's "Krahgate: An Interview with Maximilian Krah"; courtesy: "The Rothschild-Gutmann Money Behind the SSPX Kosher Imperative" of the Maurice Pinay blog)
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  • I am wondering if this Pius X group might take on a ancient rite so-called mass, that is to be without the words of consecration.  This idea was spoken of in the magazine the Angelus of May of 2002.