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Darcy · « **on:** May 06, 2011, 11:25:46 PM »

Its heresy for us to submit to this nonCatholic apostate zionist gov is it not?
How far does that go because somethings we cannot avoid complying with?
I see that Chapels have the American flag next to the altar. Is that permissable?

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #1 on:** May 07, 2011, 01:54:44 AM »

We need to make proper distinctions. The principles of the United States ("liberty" et al.), of course, conflict with the Catholic faith and cannot be followed without contradicting it. At the same time though, the government we have must be abided by insofar as at least paying our taxes and being supportive in any (if any) works it carries out that actually do contribute to the common good of the nation. We should pray for our government and especially for the conversion of any of its leaders who need conversion.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #2 on:** May 07, 2011, 09:47:41 AM »

It's a sin for us to submit to our government. As the poster above said, we do have to pay our taxes and such, but we don't have to listen to them if they tell us to support the gαys, or to take the microchip. When they make you take the chip, it's time to run for the hills, because once you take the chip you're under their control.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #3 on:** May 07, 2011, 11:58:46 AM »

Our current pagan government is (so far as we know) the lawfully elected authority according to the laws of the land (with exceptions), therefore we are required to respect that authority in so far as it doesn't cause us to sin. If the government were to require it's subjects to do something sinful, or persecuted the Church, then our obligation is dissolved. Right now it seems that that obligation is beginning to dissolve, considering we're presently worse than the Aztecs.

Some may not want to admit it, but the US. Constitution makes provision for secession from the Union.

And as is the saying of the Spanish: Dios, Patria, y Rey
*Take note of the order.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** May 07, 2011, 01:21:29 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Our current pagan government is (so far as we know) the lawfully elected authority according to the laws of the land (with exceptions), therefore we are required to respect that authority in so far as it doesn't cause us to sin. If the government were to require it's subjects to do something sinful, or persecuted the Church, then our obligation is dissolved. Right now it seems that that obligation is beginning to dissolve, considering we're presently worse than the Aztecs.

I agree however, we are obligated to pray for our country, and the land God placed us on.

I am proud to have the American flag in my chapel, and I pray for our country, that someday it will be a truly Catholic country. Pray to stop abortion which is the greatest evil today.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #5 on:** May 07, 2011, 02:06:14 PM »

There is no law that obliges anyone to pay taxes on wages.

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** May 07, 2011, 03:14:58 PM »

Yes, I agree, but it doesn't mean you won't have tanks in your front yard if you fail to pay those unjust taxes.

Especially if there is more than one of you, and you have "land".

There was a high-profile case a few years ago; I'm sure it's even here on CathInfo if you search for it.

Besides, for those who aren't single you come out ahead if you have a "natural" number of children. I realize this doesn't help the single folk, but at least the married folk have some help (and let's face it, when raising a large family, you could USE the help!)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #7 on:** May 07, 2011, 03:35:01 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

Quote from: Catholic Samurai
Our current pagan government is (so far as we know) the lawfully elected authority according to the laws of the land (with exceptions), therefore we are required to respect that authority in so far as it doesn't cause us to sin. If the government were to require it's subjects to do something sinful, or persecuted the Church, then our obligation is dissolved. Right now it seems that that obligation is beginning to dissolve, considering we're presently worse than the Aztecs.

I agree however, we are obligated to pray for our country, and the land God placed us on.

I am proud to have the American flag in my chapel, and I pray for our country, that someday it will be a truly Catholic country. Pray to stop abortion which is the greatest evil today.

Yes, our country needs prayers. Only thing is that America won't be fully restored until after the three days of darkness. Same thing goes for the rest of the world...

herbert · « **Reply #8 on:** May 07, 2011, 06:27:46 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

When they make you take the chip, it's time to run for the hills, because once you take the chip you're under their control.

just dip it, and maybe it will short circuit

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #9 on:** May 07, 2011, 08:57:46 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

There was a high-profile case a few years ago...

Brown, maybe?

BTW, Wesley Snipes just won his tax case.

The Matrix is disintegrating across the board...

Zenith · « **Reply #10 on:** May 08, 2011, 01:46:39 AM »

I am "the king's good servant, and God's first."

St. Thomas More pray for us!

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** May 11, 2011, 05:53:16 PM »

It is a minor point given everything else on this tread, but I don't think national flags would be appropriate in church no matter how good the government was.

Zenith · « **Reply #12 on:** May 11, 2011, 06:51:45 PM »

Yes well flags are not necessary as they are not like a holy picture or statue that will turn our distracted minds and hearts to Our Lord.

herbert · « **Reply #13 on:** May 11, 2011, 07:41:39 PM »

Quote from: Zenith

Yes well flags are not necessary as they are not like a holy picture or statue that will turn our distracted minds and hearts to Our Lord.

i think it fortunate that you posted that while the question mark took place of your flag, because somebody could point to the aussie flag you sometimes have and try to undermine you.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** May 15, 2011, 04:03:53 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

Quote from: Matthew
There was a high-profile case a few years ago...

Brown, maybe?

BTW, Wesley Snipes just won his tax case.

The Matrix is disintegrating across the board...

Where did you read this? I can't find a source anywhere...