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Title: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 11, 2017, 09:19:05 AM
Stephen Hawking knows the truth: the Church always believed the earth to be flat.
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From his book, The Grand Design:
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Copernicus, like Aristarchus some seventeen centuries earlier, described a world in which the sun was at rest and the planets revolved around it in circular orbits. Though the idea wasn't new, its revival was met with passionate resistance. The Copernican model was held to contradict the Bible, which was interpreted as saying that the planets moved around the earth, even though the Bible never clearly stated that. In fact, at the time the Bible was written, people believed the earth was flat. 







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https://books.google.com/books?id=ePaawpkS6dMC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=copernicus+proved+ptolemy+wrong,+that+is+not+true.+hawking+grand+design&source=bl&ots=vOssU1DVer&sig=rvnEGZwa25Fq-FO06ye1rs4X_Do&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC98Xg3ujWAhWs6oMKHXTuBbUQ6AEIOTAD#v=onepage&q=copernicus%20proved%20ptolemy%20wrong%2C%20that%20is%20not%20true.%20hawking%20grand%20design&f=false
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 11, 2017, 09:20:03 AM
Sorry, I meant to post this in the ghetto.
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Maybe a mod can move it? Thx
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 09:23:13 AM
Thanks, for showing us again how you wouldn't know about either scholastic principle or authority once again.

Nice cherries though, very juicy.

Hawking asserted gravity in lieu of God, among other "gems" BTW.

"Try to keep up."
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 09:52:47 AM
Even if Stephen Hawking is a source we all agree is worthy of citing, he doesn't say the CHURCH has always believed the Earth was flat. He makes a generalized statement about the "people" living during the writing of the Bible. How you can take this as him saying that the Church always believed the E was F is weird on your part.
"... weird..."
That's a kind way to put it. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: happenby on October 11, 2017, 10:14:10 AM
The Church, along with the majority of Catholic tradition, the majority of saints who mention it, as well as scripture, have always promoted and defended geocentric flat earth.  History, Church teachings, quotes and writings prove it over and over again.  Math and science also prove people and water do not stick to a spinning ball.  If you have other proof, please provide it.  Otherwise, save your disses.  Saying that it is impossible because you think it works a different way is not proof.  You need a non-pagan source of some sort, or your arguments are moot. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 10:19:04 AM
Funny how we have restricted sources, yet they do not. 

I guess being female exempts one from the requirement of being relevant to boot. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wse_hgca220
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: St Ignatius on October 11, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
I wouldn't need to prove it because the burden of proof is not on the Globe Earther.

I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100)
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 11:23:33 AM
Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts? 
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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: St Ignatius on October 11, 2017, 11:28:51 AM
Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts?
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Don't know if I would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better." 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 11, 2017, 11:31:53 AM
Don't know if would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better."
I wouldn't either, save in jest; however, don't let fools fool you; IMO, you severely underestimate the "power" of bull-headed stupidity and pride born rancor.

At least some have been claiming such since the original post, if tacitly.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 11, 2017, 12:39:10 PM
Prove it. This is a huge generalization. Also, Scripture says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the shape of the Earth.
There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 11, 2017, 12:40:16 PM
I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100)
There is no "unanimous consensus" that the earth is a ball.
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Plenty of Church doctors wrote about the flat earth.
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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 20, 2017, 11:14:29 PM
[BM 38.5] (Say I): "Do not worry about these things, My dear brother Martin, for if I were not the First and the Last and All in all everywhere, things would not be too good in all infinity. But you may turn wherever you want to and you will find Me. [BM 38.6] Let us now inspect this little house, so that I Myself may instruct you in the correct use of all that you will see therein. Come with Me into your home which, though small, contains more than the whole world, even more than a solar system in the sphere of the natural world, as you will soon realize. So be it!" [BM 38.7] Bishop Martin follows Me in astonishment, for instead of the expected small room, we enter a huge hall. The longer and more attentive he looks around, the more it expands, displaying everything that he is able to imagine. [BM 38.8] In the center of this spacious hall, a large, shining white, round disc is displayed on a golden stand. Behind it, on a bronze stand, is the most perfect, artificial globe, showing everything - from the largest to the smallest - that the real earth contains, from its center to its surface, including all that is happening there. [BM 38.9] Behind this globe is a similar artificial display of the whole planetary system of the earth's sun, also showing every detail and peculiarity of the planets and the sun. [BM 38.10] The floor of this hall appears to be of pure sapphire, the high walls of emerald, the ceiling of lapis lazuli, with numerous stars. A glorious purple light enters through the large windows and shines on a magnificent gallery of finest jasper, adorning the hall at half its height. Twelve doors lead from the hall into the adjoining rooms. And, in addition to all this, the emerald walls reflect in beautifully colored silhouettes whatever Bishop Martin can think of. [BM 38.11] After he has gazed at all this for a while in astonishment, he speaks again: "Oh, Lord, what does this trickery mean? From the outside the house looks so tiny, yet inside it looks like a whole world! How is it possible that something is larger inside than out? This I cannot understand; it is quite beyond me!" [BM 38.12] (Say I): "My beloved brother Martin, you will soon understand all this. In the real, true world of the spirits, everything is the opposite from what it is like in the material world. What is great in the world, is only small here; but whatever is small in the world, is great here. Who in the world is the first, is last here; who is the last, is first here!


http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=BM+38&l=en&b=
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 20, 2017, 11:16:21 PM
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As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.

/Jesus Christ

http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/PaterAve.html
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 20, 2017, 11:59:00 PM
There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.
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Why don't you start listing them all and we can see what you're referring to, if anything.
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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 21, 2017, 12:19:40 PM
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Why don't you start listing them all and we can see what you're referring to, if anything.
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Already done on many other threads and you have never responded. Why do you suddenly care? Here's a few, for starters:
(http://testingtheglobe.com/images/EnclosedEarth.jpg)
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 21, 2017, 01:23:24 PM
beware of making your own interpretations of scriptures. man are likely to suffer from just that.

waters below earth is found:



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An ocean of water is found 620 miles below Earth's surface - and if it dries up, life on our planet could END


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3960442/An-ocean-water-620-miles-Earth-s-surface-dries-life-planet-END.html#ixzz4wAU9XDa1 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3960442/An-ocean-water-620-miles-Earth-s-surface-dries-life-planet-END.html#ixzz4wAU9XDa1)


the picture attached is obviously a man theory how it works but its Gods Word that stands as true only.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: MyrnaM on October 21, 2017, 02:11:49 PM


More round, curvy "flat" cartoons. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 21, 2017, 04:52:04 PM

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For only one proof stands forever, lasting from generation to generation,
The Word of God, The Bright and Shining Sign Post!...


http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=All_Things_Were_Ordained_from_the_Beginning%3B_No_Other_Name_Is_Given_By_Which_You_Must_Be_Saved
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Nadir on October 21, 2017, 10:09:44 PM

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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 21, 2017, 10:37:39 PM
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For just one soul, who professes their faith aloud, is enough for hundreds of conversions.


https://fatherofloveandmercy.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/god-the-father-world-to-undergo-a-chastisement-my-intervention-is-necessary/



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But I turned away from the Pharisees and began to talk to the people. I showed them how it is not pleasing to God to abandon Judaism, because salvation comes to all men from the Jєωs, and that, as some had done already in their hearts, they should in all truth return to Judaism, or it is not otherwise possible to attain to the childhood of God.
http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=judaism&l=en&b=

Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Neil Obstat on October 25, 2017, 07:27:54 PM
Already done on many other threads and you have never responded. Why do you suddenly care? Here's a few, for starters:
(http://testingtheglobe.com/images/EnclosedEarth.jpg)
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It's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
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If the sacred author was trying to describe the shape of the earth wouldn't he have been a little more convincing? Or perhaps the shape of the earth wasn't the point in the first place.
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In the description of the size and construction of Noah's ark, there is no way to know what the actual shape was. Some think it was like a shoe box, with a flat bottom and flat sides (notice the word "flat"). Some think the bow and stern were rounded. But the Bible doesn't mention that. It doesn't say the bottom was "flat" nor does it say the bow or stern were "rounded." At the time, nobody was making such a huge vessel for the sea, and there was no sea anywhere near where the ark was being built.
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Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?
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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Truth is Eternal on October 25, 2017, 08:18:08 PM
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It's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
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If the sacred author was trying to describe the shape of the earth wouldn't he have been a little more convincing? Or perhaps the shape of the earth wasn't the point in the first place.
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In the description of the size and construction of Noah's ark, there is no way to know what the actual shape was. Some think it was like a shoe box, with a flat bottom and flat sides (notice the word "flat"). Some think the bow and stern were rounded. But the Bible doesn't mention that. It doesn't say the bottom was "flat" nor does it say the bow or stern were "rounded." At the time, nobody was making such a huge vessel for the sea, and there was no sea anywhere near where the ark was being built.
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Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?
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The horizontal horizon is horizontal.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 25, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
The horizontal horizon is horizontal.
The moronic moron is moronic.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Tradplorable on October 25, 2017, 09:23:49 PM
Obvious flat earth is obvious.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: DZ PLEASE on October 25, 2017, 09:27:12 PM
As if on cue...
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2017, 11:30:20 PM
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It's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
whats interesting is that you think that you know what i think. stop with that.

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Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?
we have Jesus who says this:

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As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.
http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/PaterAve.html

but ofc, we might have a translation error. i have not yet found original text in latin or italian.
but as my name is Martin, i think the following passage, also quote from Jesus - the living God , reveals Truth about the shape of earth:
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(Say I): "Do not worry about these things, My dear brother Martin, for if I were not the First and the Last and All in all everywhere, things would not be too good in all infinity. But you may turn wherever you want to and you will find Me.

 Let us now inspect this little house, so that I Myself may instruct you in the correct use of all that you will see therein. Come with Me into your home which, though small, contains more than the whole world, even more than a solar system in the sphere of the natural world, as you will soon realize. So be it!"

 Bishop Martin follows Me in astonishment, for instead of the expected small room, we enter a huge hall. The longer and more attentive he looks around, the more it expands, displaying everything that he is able to imagine.

 In the center of this spacious hall, a large, shining white, round disc is displayed on a golden stand. Behind it, on a bronze stand, is the most perfect, artificial globe, showing everything - from the largest to the smallest - that the real earth contains, from its center to its surface, including all that is happening there.

 Behind this globe is a similar artificial display of the whole planetary system of the earth's sun, also showing every detail and peculiarity of the planets and the sun.

 The floor of this hall appears to be of pure sapphire, the high walls of emerald, the ceiling of lapis lazuli, with numerous stars. A glorious purple light enters through the large windows and shines on a magnificent gallery of finest jasper, adorning the hall at half its height. Twelve doors lead from the hall into the adjoining rooms. And, in addition to all this, the emerald walls reflect in beautifully colored silhouettes whatever Bishop Martin can think of.

 After he has gazed at all this for a while in astonishment, he speaks again: "Oh, Lord, what does this trickery mean? From the outside the house looks so tiny, yet inside it looks like a whole world! How is it possible that something is larger inside than out? This I cannot understand; it is quite beyond me!"

 (Say I): "My beloved brother Martin, you will soon understand all this. In the real, true world of the spirits, everything is the opposite from what it is like in the material world. What is great in the world, is only small here; but whatever is small in the world, is great here. Who in the world is the first, is last here; who is the last, is first here!
http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=BM+38&l=en&b=

thank you DZ PLEASE for remindering me about mormon.

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And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the  standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so; for surely it is the earth that moveth and not the sun.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/12?lang=eng
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
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Look at the wonders and signs that are going to befall this Planet. Look at the ice of the north. For it will begin to move as the axis of the Earth shifts. You people believe you know it all.

You people believe you’re gods. I will show you who is God. I will show you what God can do. Prepare for the Day of the Water. For if you live near the water you will see the Force of God. You people, who are followers of Satan, will be the first to taste the Power of God. For your God Jehovah will avenge His Name. He will strike down every altar of the enemy, every altar of Satan.

http://prophecy.org.il/0220-prophecy


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The Earth will shake with such force that it will swallow you. I will strike every nation according to the extent of the number of innocents they have murdered.  
https://fatherofloveandmercy.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/god-the-father-i-will-strike-every-nation-according-to-the-extent-of-the-number-of-innocents-they-have-murdered/


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When the First Commandment is broken by My Church on Earth – the final bastion of My Father over His children – the world will witness the worst chastisement since the flood.

Your Jesus
https://fatherofloveandmercy. wordpress. com/2014/05/24/once-paganism-grips-my-church-this-will-mark-the-final-chapter/


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Your time is short before the comet of destruction will strike your planet.  I have told you before that it is on its way to you right now.  Scientists and astronomers will keep you from hearing any description of when this comet will approach the earth.  This will be My means of victory over the evil ones as darkness will overshadow the earth for three days.  Then just as I arose from the darkness of the tomb in three days, I will renew the face of the earth after three days as well.  Rejoice in My vanquishing of all evil on the earth as the evil ones will be cast into hell for their evil deeds.  Prepare for this cataclysmic event for then My peace will reign supreme over all the earth."
http://www.johnleary.com/archives/Apr2001.txt
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: RoughAshlar on October 25, 2017, 11:48:05 PM
oh boy
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: rygar on October 25, 2017, 11:48:42 PM
sorry , Neil Obstat (https://www.cathinfo.com/profile/Neil%20Obstat/)

too late for edit anyway.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 11:36:55 AM
These suppoert geocentrism not a flat Earth.

If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly? 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
I didn't say anything about the drawing. I didn't say anything about a globe either.The immovability of the Earth and the motion of the Sun support geocentrism. Nothing else quoted supports any particular cosmological model, and nothing at all supports a "flat Earth".
Are you claiming I can't draw the exact same picture except in a spherical form with the exact same captions and have it make just as much sense as flat Earth "model"? I can define "above" as the direction of a radial vector pointed away from the center of the Earth, draw the exact same "firmament" around it, and fill in some "waters" outside of it as the "waters above" while pointing to the oceans as the waters "below" the firmament. Now explain how that makes any less "sense" than s tupid flat Earth model which cannot accoutn for the ontological difference ebtween "aove" and "below" and which tells me, in essence, that things fall down because they fall down.

If in the future you are capable of rational discourse without being rude, then I will respond to your post. Surely it isn't that difficult to answer my question without being rude. But then you're a trad. So perhaps it can't be helped. Being rude is likely in your nature, like Neil. 

Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 23, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly?
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You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:20:46 PM
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You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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My question was not rude, Neil. Since you have a pathological hatred of anything having to do with the Flat Earth, anything you say can be instantly discounted. I will not respond to you further.

What is it with trad men, that they can get away with being so rude? My guess is that they are not married, and do not have a good woman to help mitigate their bad nature.

Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:


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Just one more thing to add, Jayne. Hopefully this won't sound lame, but Cath Info is a good place for know-it-all women (like us) to learn to be more humble, and to realize that we aren't smarter than the trad men around us. Not an easy lesson to learn, but much needed! God bless!
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177)
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:

https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177)

Even though I sometimes disagree with what you post, Jayne, I appreciate you, because I know that you are sincere.

I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowed
to hit their wives, correct?
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowed
to hit their wives, correct?
I think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
I think that nobody should be rude.
I think that if three threads, where it was on topic, worth of my opinions on corporal punishment were not not enough to make my views clear, explaining them in a thread where it is off topic is not going to help.  
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
I think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
I think that nobody should be rude.
I think that if three threads, where it was on topic, worth of my opinions on corporal punishment were not not enough to make my views clear, explaining them in a thread where it is off topic is not going to help.  

If you think that nobody should be rude, then why just focus on me? 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:59:26 PM
If you think that nobody should be rude, then why just focus on me?
I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour.  I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour.  I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.

Then you have not read the posts by the men on this thread. It would be a good idea to read the posts of those with whom I am responding to, before passing judgment.

You seem to believe that men get a free pass to behave any way they like, but women have always be "nice." 

I've seen how men have sometimes treated you here, Jayne. They accuse you of being insincere simply because you are Jєωιѕн. Some seem to believe that Jєωs are not quite human. Which is reprehensible. But that's trad men for you. Or at least some of them. 

Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
Then you have not read the posts by the men on this thread. It would be a good idea to read the posts of those with whom I am responding to, before passing judgement.
You misunderstand.  You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it.  I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
You misunderstand.  You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it.  I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.

I do not see a lack of humility in my posts to which you seem to be referring. I was stating what I perceive to be the truth. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
You seem to believe that men get a free pass to behave any way they like, but women have always be "nice."

I've seen how men have sometimes treated you here, Jayne. They accuse you of being insincere simply because you are Jєωιѕн. Some seem to believe that Jєωs are not quite human. Which is reprehensible. But that's trad men for you. Or at least some of them.
Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate.  It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.

Very few people have treated me badly because of my ancestry, far too few to make generalizations about men or trads or anything else.

And, for the record, I am not Jєωιѕн.  I am Catholic.  I was born into a Jєωιѕн family, but, by the grace of God, I made my way into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Meg on November 23, 2017, 01:17:36 PM
Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate.  It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.

Very few people have treated me badly because of my ancestry, far too few to make generalizations about men or trads or anything else.

And, for the record, I am not Jєωιѕн.  I am Catholic.  I was born into a Jєωιѕн family, but, by the grace of God, I made my way into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

This will be my last post to you on this thread, since I don't want to make the thread all about me, as you are doing. And you don't understand what I keep trying to explain to you. 

I have to get back to working on Thanksgiving dinner. 

I wish you a happy Thanksgiving. 
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
For what it's worth, here is my assessment of the posts made to this thread today:

#35 Kreuzritter revives dormant thread by saying that verses used in diagram support geocentrism not flat earth

#36  Meg misunderstands and asks how diagram supports geocentrism

#37 Kreuzritter clarifies what he meant and makes an argument against FE -refers to "stupid flat earth model"

#38 Kreuzritter continues his argument

#39 Meg accuse Kreuzritter of being rude, insults trads in general, singles out Neil for criticism

#40 Neil claims that Megs initial question (reply #36) was rude

#41 Meg says she won't reply to Neil and insults trad men

#42 Jaynek quotes an old post of Meg's showing a better attitude toward trad men than she has in this thread.

#43 Kreuzritter makes last on topic post of thread (up to the current point) with more critiques of FE model

#44-#52 Irrelevant back and forth between Jayne and Meg

Since Meg seemed to want my judgment about these posts, I will give it.  I see nothing inappropriate in any of Kreuzritter's posts. He remained focused on the topic throughout his comments and made no personal or rude remarks.  Neil's post (#40) seemed mildly provocative, possibly deliberately so. I have insufficient information to make further judgement. Meg's first post (#36) seemed like a reasonable question. I did not see it as rude.  All her subsequent posts involved personal attacks and insults.  I thought these were inappropriate.

My actions in this thread were based on my assessment of the various posts, not because I wanted to pick on Meg, or women, or FE proponents, or any other group.  
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on November 24, 2017, 05:44:29 PM
Stephen Hawking is an atheist.  
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: budDude on November 26, 2017, 10:55:14 AM
Both Coepernicus and Galileo are celebrated in Freemasonic lodges. 
Gee, I wonder why that is...


Ultimately, this farce is about Man ruling, as if GOD somehow made a mistake.
SOme buy into it, the lie of global overpopulation, when in fact, the earths entire population can fit inside of Texas alone, on a 1500 sq ft lot.
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: budDude on November 26, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Hey bud,
I think you messed up your random fact there. Are you claiming that we can all fit inside of Texas or all on a 1500 sq. ft. lot? If the 1500/lot then why say Texas? I have heard that all 7 billion people could fit in Texas with about 100 sq. m. for themselves; maybe that's what you were thinking.
Math proves the point.

100sq m is not correct.
1500 sq lot is correct
Title: Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
Post by: budDude on November 26, 2017, 06:34:38 PM
You said "the earths entire population can fit inside of Texas alone, on a 1500 sq ft lot". Do you want to stand by that? All 7+ billion people on a 1500 sq. ft. lot? You should have said each person could have a 1500 sq. ft. lot and still fit inside Texas, but you didn't say that. You said we could all fit on a 1500 sq. ft. lot.
You need to be precise in your language if you want people to take you seriously.

What i said is very clear, that even the most mentally challenged can understand.
How you have trouble grasping it, says more about you than me...
Once again.

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in fact, the earths entire population can fit inside of Texas alone, on a 1500 sq ft lot.