Copernicus, like Aristarchus some seventeen centuries earlier, described a world in which the sun was at rest and the planets revolved around it in circular orbits. Though the idea wasn't new, its revival was met with passionate resistance. The Copernican model was held to contradict the Bible, which was interpreted as saying that the planets moved around the earth, even though the Bible never clearly stated that. In fact, at the time the Bible was written, people believed the earth was flat..
Even if Stephen Hawking is a source we all agree is worthy of citing, he doesn't say the CHURCH has always believed the Earth was flat. He makes a generalized statement about the "people" living during the writing of the Bible. How you can take this as him saying that the Church always believed the E was F is weird on your part."... weird..."
I wouldn't need to prove it because the burden of proof is not on the Globe Earther.
Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts?Don't know if I would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better."
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Don't know if would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better."I wouldn't either, save in jest; however, don't let fools fool you; IMO, you severely underestimate the "power" of bull-headed stupidity and pride born rancor.
Prove it. This is a huge generalization. Also, Scripture says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the shape of the Earth.There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.
I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...There is no "unanimous consensus" that the earth is a ball.
https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100 (https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100)
As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.
There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth..
.Already done on many other threads and you have never responded. Why do you suddenly care? Here's a few, for starters:
Why don't you start listing them all and we can see what you're referring to, if anything.
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An ocean of water is found 620 miles below Earth's surface - and if it dries up, life on our planet could END
For only one proof stands forever, lasting from generation to generation,
The Word of God, The Bright and Shining Sign Post!...
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The Word of God, The Bright and Shining Sign Post!...
For just one soul, who professes their faith aloud, is enough for hundreds of conversions.
But I turned away from the Pharisees and began to talk to the people. I showed them how it is not pleasing to God to abandon Judaism, because salvation comes to all men from the Jєωs, and that, as some had done already in their hearts, they should in all truth return to Judaism, or it is not otherwise possible to attain to the childhood of God.http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=judaism&l=en&b=
Already done on many other threads and you have never responded. Why do you suddenly care? Here's a few, for starters:.
(http://testingtheglobe.com/images/EnclosedEarth.jpg)
.The horizontal horizon is horizontal.
It's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
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If the sacred author was trying to describe the shape of the earth wouldn't he have been a little more convincing? Or perhaps the shape of the earth wasn't the point in the first place.
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In the description of the size and construction of Noah's ark, there is no way to know what the actual shape was. Some think it was like a shoe box, with a flat bottom and flat sides (notice the word "flat"). Some think the bow and stern were rounded. But the Bible doesn't mention that. It doesn't say the bottom was "flat" nor does it say the bow or stern were "rounded." At the time, nobody was making such a huge vessel for the sea, and there was no sea anywhere near where the ark was being built.
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Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?
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The horizontal horizon is horizontal.The moronic moron is moronic.
.whats interesting is that you think that you know what i think. stop with that.QuoteIt's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?we have Jesus who says this:
As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/PaterAve.html
(Say I): "Do not worry about these things, My dear brother Martin, for if I were not the First and the Last and All in all everywhere, things would not be too good in all infinity. But you may turn wherever you want to and you will find Me.http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=BM+38&l=en&b=
Let us now inspect this little house, so that I Myself may instruct you in the correct use of all that you will see therein. Come with Me into your home which, though small, contains more than the whole world, even more than a solar system in the sphere of the natural world, as you will soon realize. So be it!"
Bishop Martin follows Me in astonishment, for instead of the expected small room, we enter a huge hall. The longer and more attentive he looks around, the more it expands, displaying everything that he is able to imagine.
In the center of this spacious hall, a large, shining white, round disc is displayed on a golden stand. Behind it, on a bronze stand, is the most perfect, artificial globe, showing everything - from the largest to the smallest - that the real earth contains, from its center to its surface, including all that is happening there.
Behind this globe is a similar artificial display of the whole planetary system of the earth's sun, also showing every detail and peculiarity of the planets and the sun.
The floor of this hall appears to be of pure sapphire, the high walls of emerald, the ceiling of lapis lazuli, with numerous stars. A glorious purple light enters through the large windows and shines on a magnificent gallery of finest jasper, adorning the hall at half its height. Twelve doors lead from the hall into the adjoining rooms. And, in addition to all this, the emerald walls reflect in beautifully colored silhouettes whatever Bishop Martin can think of.
After he has gazed at all this for a while in astonishment, he speaks again: "Oh, Lord, what does this trickery mean? From the outside the house looks so tiny, yet inside it looks like a whole world! How is it possible that something is larger inside than out? This I cannot understand; it is quite beyond me!"
(Say I): "My beloved brother Martin, you will soon understand all this. In the real, true world of the spirits, everything is the opposite from what it is like in the material world. What is great in the world, is only small here; but whatever is small in the world, is great here. Who in the world is the first, is last here; who is the last, is first here!
And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so; for surely it is the earth that moveth and not the sun.https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/12?lang=eng
Look at the wonders and signs that are going to befall this Planet. Look at the ice of the north. For it will begin to move as the axis of the Earth shifts. You people believe you know it all.
You people believe you’re gods. I will show you who is God. I will show you what God can do. Prepare for the Day of the Water. For if you live near the water you will see the Force of God. You people, who are followers of Satan, will be the first to taste the Power of God. For your God Jehovah will avenge His Name. He will strike down every altar of the enemy, every altar of Satan.
The Earth will shake with such force that it will swallow you. I will strike every nation according to the extent of the number of innocents they have murdered.https://fatherofloveandmercy.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/god-the-father-i-will-strike-every-nation-according-to-the-extent-of-the-number-of-innocents-they-have-murdered/
When the First Commandment is broken by My Church on Earth – the final bastion of My Father over His children – the world will witness the worst chastisement since the flood.https://fatherofloveandmercy. wordpress. com/2014/05/24/once-paganism-grips-my-church-this-will-mark-the-final-chapter/
Your Jesus
Your time is short before the comet of destruction will strike your planet. I have told you before that it is on its way to you right now. Scientists and astronomers will keep you from hearing any description of when this comet will approach the earth. This will be My means of victory over the evil ones as darkness will overshadow the earth for three days. Then just as I arose from the darkness of the tomb in three days, I will renew the face of the earth after three days as well. Rejoice in My vanquishing of all evil on the earth as the evil ones will be cast into hell for their evil deeds. Prepare for this cataclysmic event for then My peace will reign supreme over all the earth."http://www.johnleary.com/archives/Apr2001.txt
These suppoert geocentrism not a flat Earth.
I didn't say anything about the drawing. I didn't say anything about a globe either.The immovability of the Earth and the motion of the Sun support geocentrism. Nothing else quoted supports any particular cosmological model, and nothing at all supports a "flat Earth".
Are you claiming I can't draw the exact same picture except in a spherical form with the exact same captions and have it make just as much sense as flat Earth "model"? I can define "above" as the direction of a radial vector pointed away from the center of the Earth, draw the exact same "firmament" around it, and fill in some "waters" outside of it as the "waters above" while pointing to the oceans as the waters "below" the firmament. Now explain how that makes any less "sense" than s tupid flat Earth model which cannot accoutn for the ontological difference ebtween "aove" and "below" and which tells me, in essence, that things fall down because they fall down.
If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly?.
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You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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Just one more thing to add, Jayne. Hopefully this won't sound lame, but Cath Info is a good place for know-it-all women (like us) to learn to be more humble, and to realize that we aren't smarter than the trad men around us. Not an easy lesson to learn, but much needed! God bless!https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177)
Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177)
I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowedI think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
to hit their wives, correct?
I think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
I think that nobody should be rude.
I think that if three threads, where it was on topic, worth of my opinions on corporal punishment were not not enough to make my views clear, explaining them in a thread where it is off topic is not going to help.
If you think that nobody should be rude, then why just focus on me?I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour. I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.
I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour. I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.
Then you have not read the posts by the men on this thread. It would be a good idea to read the posts of those with whom I am responding to, before passing judgement.You misunderstand. You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it. I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.
You misunderstand. You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it. I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.
You seem to believe that men get a free pass to behave any way they like, but women have always be "nice."Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate. It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.
I've seen how men have sometimes treated you here, Jayne. They accuse you of being insincere simply because you are Jєωιѕн. Some seem to believe that Jєωs are not quite human. Which is reprehensible. But that's trad men for you. Or at least some of them.
Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate. It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.
Very few people have treated me badly because of my ancestry, far too few to make generalizations about men or trads or anything else.
And, for the record, I am not Jєωιѕн. I am Catholic. I was born into a Jєωιѕн family, but, by the grace of God, I made my way into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Hey bud,Math proves the point.
I think you messed up your random fact there. Are you claiming that we can all fit inside of Texas or all on a 1500 sq. ft. lot? If the 1500/lot then why say Texas? I have heard that all 7 billion people could fit in Texas with about 100 sq. m. for themselves; maybe that's what you were thinking.
You said "the earths entire population can fit inside of Texas alone, on a 1500 sq ft lot". Do you want to stand by that? All 7+ billion people on a 1500 sq. ft. lot? You should have said each person could have a 1500 sq. ft. lot and still fit inside Texas, but you didn't say that. You said we could all fit on a 1500 sq. ft. lot.
You need to be precise in your language if you want people to take you seriously.
in fact, the earths entire population can fit inside of Texas alone, on a 1500 sq ft lot.