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Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2017, 11:36:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Kreuzritter on November 23, 2017, 09:40:50 AM
    These suppoert geocentrism not a flat Earth.

    If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly? 
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #31 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kreuzritter on November 23, 2017, 11:55:33 AM
    I didn't say anything about the drawing. I didn't say anything about a globe either.The immovability of the Earth and the motion of the Sun support geocentrism. Nothing else quoted supports any particular cosmological model, and nothing at all supports a "flat Earth".
    Are you claiming I can't draw the exact same picture except in a spherical form with the exact same captions and have it make just as much sense as flat Earth "model"? I can define "above" as the direction of a radial vector pointed away from the center of the Earth, draw the exact same "firmament" around it, and fill in some "waters" outside of it as the "waters above" while pointing to the oceans as the waters "below" the firmament. Now explain how that makes any less "sense" than s tupid flat Earth model which cannot accoutn for the ontological difference ebtween "aove" and "below" and which tells me, in essence, that things fall down because they fall down.

    If in the future you are capable of rational discourse without being rude, then I will respond to your post. Surely it isn't that difficult to answer my question without being rude. But then you're a trad. So perhaps it can't be helped. Being rude is likely in your nature, like Neil. 

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #32 on: November 23, 2017, 12:13:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 23, 2017, 11:36:55 AM
    If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly?
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    You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #33 on: November 23, 2017, 12:20:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on November 23, 2017, 12:13:57 PM
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    You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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    My question was not rude, Neil. Since you have a pathological hatred of anything having to do with the Flat Earth, anything you say can be instantly discounted. I will not respond to you further.

    What is it with trad men, that they can get away with being so rude? My guess is that they are not married, and do not have a good woman to help mitigate their bad nature.

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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #34 on: November 23, 2017, 12:31:17 PM »
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    • Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:


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    Just one more thing to add, Jayne. Hopefully this won't sound lame, but Cath Info is a good place for know-it-all women (like us) to learn to be more humble, and to realize that we aren't smarter than the trad men around us. Not an easy lesson to learn, but much needed! God bless!
    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 12:41:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:31:17 PM
    Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177

    Even though I sometimes disagree with what you post, Jayne, I appreciate you, because I know that you are sincere.

    I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowed
    to hit their wives, correct?
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 12:50:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:41:16 PM
    I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowed
    to hit their wives, correct?
    I think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
    I think that nobody should be rude.
    I think that if three threads, where it was on topic, worth of my opinions on corporal punishment were not not enough to make my views clear, explaining them in a thread where it is off topic is not going to help.  
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 12:53:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:50:56 PM
    I think that a lady should behave like a lady no matter what the people around her are doing.
    I think that nobody should be rude.
    I think that if three threads, where it was on topic, worth of my opinions on corporal punishment were not not enough to make my views clear, explaining them in a thread where it is off topic is not going to help.  

    If you think that nobody should be rude, then why just focus on me? 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 12:59:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 23, 2017, 12:53:34 PM
    If you think that nobody should be rude, then why just focus on me?
    I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour.  I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #39 on: November 23, 2017, 01:00:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 12:59:26 PM
    I was reminding you of your own aspirations for your own behaviour.  I was not aware of anyone else saying anything like that.

    Then you have not read the posts by the men on this thread. It would be a good idea to read the posts of those with whom I am responding to, before passing judgment.

    You seem to believe that men get a free pass to behave any way they like, but women have always be "nice." 

    I've seen how men have sometimes treated you here, Jayne. They accuse you of being insincere simply because you are Jєωιѕн. Some seem to believe that Jєωs are not quite human. Which is reprehensible. But that's trad men for you. Or at least some of them. 

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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #40 on: November 23, 2017, 01:04:41 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 23, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
    Then you have not read the posts by the men on this thread. It would be a good idea to read the posts of those with whom I am responding to, before passing judgement.
    You misunderstand.  You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it.  I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #41 on: November 23, 2017, 01:08:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 01:04:41 PM
    You misunderstand.  You expressed your wish to be more humble so I am reminding you of it.  I do not recall seeing anyone else expressing such a wish so I can't very well remind them.

    I do not see a lack of humility in my posts to which you seem to be referring. I was stating what I perceive to be the truth. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #42 on: November 23, 2017, 01:12:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on November 23, 2017, 01:00:57 PM
    You seem to believe that men get a free pass to behave any way they like, but women have always be "nice."

    I've seen how men have sometimes treated you here, Jayne. They accuse you of being insincere simply because you are Jєωιѕн. Some seem to believe that Jєωs are not quite human. Which is reprehensible. But that's trad men for you. Or at least some of them.
    Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate.  It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.

    Very few people have treated me badly because of my ancestry, far too few to make generalizations about men or trads or anything else.

    And, for the record, I am not Jєωιѕн.  I am Catholic.  I was born into a Jєωιѕн family, but, by the grace of God, I made my way into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #43 on: November 23, 2017, 01:17:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on November 23, 2017, 01:12:23 PM
    Men and women are different and we tend to have different approaches to debate.  It is more important for women to be gentle and avoid being argumentative.

    Very few people have treated me badly because of my ancestry, far too few to make generalizations about men or trads or anything else.

    And, for the record, I am not Jєωιѕн.  I am Catholic.  I was born into a Jєωιѕн family, but, by the grace of God, I made my way into the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

    This will be my last post to you on this thread, since I don't want to make the thread all about me, as you are doing. And you don't understand what I keep trying to explain to you. 

    I have to get back to working on Thanksgiving dinner. 

    I wish you a happy Thanksgiving. 
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    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #44 on: November 23, 2017, 04:55:16 PM »
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    • For what it's worth, here is my assessment of the posts made to this thread today:

    #35 Kreuzritter revives dormant thread by saying that verses used in diagram support geocentrism not flat earth

    #36  Meg misunderstands and asks how diagram supports geocentrism

    #37 Kreuzritter clarifies what he meant and makes an argument against FE -refers to "stupid flat earth model"

    #38 Kreuzritter continues his argument

    #39 Meg accuse Kreuzritter of being rude, insults trads in general, singles out Neil for criticism

    #40 Neil claims that Megs initial question (reply #36) was rude

    #41 Meg says she won't reply to Neil and insults trad men

    #42 Jaynek quotes an old post of Meg's showing a better attitude toward trad men than she has in this thread.

    #43 Kreuzritter makes last on topic post of thread (up to the current point) with more critiques of FE model

    #44-#52 Irrelevant back and forth between Jayne and Meg

    Since Meg seemed to want my judgment about these posts, I will give it.  I see nothing inappropriate in any of Kreuzritter's posts. He remained focused on the topic throughout his comments and made no personal or rude remarks.  Neil's post (#40) seemed mildly provocative, possibly deliberately so. I have insufficient information to make further judgement. Meg's first post (#36) seemed like a reasonable question. I did not see it as rude.  All her subsequent posts involved personal attacks and insults.  I thought these were inappropriate.

    My actions in this thread were based on my assessment of the various posts, not because I wanted to pick on Meg, or women, or FE proponents, or any other group.  
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