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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2017, 09:27:12 PM »
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #31 on: October 25, 2017, 11:30:20 PM »
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    It's interesting that you think these are referring to the shape of the earth. I don't see the words, "shape of the earth" for instance.
    whats interesting is that you think that you know what i think. stop with that.

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    Do you know of any Scripture that says the earth is flat or that the earth is not spherical?
    we have Jesus who says this:

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    As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.
    http://www.bardstown.com/~brchrys/PaterAve.html

    but ofc, we might have a translation error. i have not yet found original text in latin or italian.
    but as my name is Martin, i think the following passage, also quote from Jesus - the living God , reveals Truth about the shape of earth:
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    (Say I): "Do not worry about these things, My dear brother Martin, for if I were not the First and the Last and All in all everywhere, things would not be too good in all infinity. But you may turn wherever you want to and you will find Me.

     Let us now inspect this little house, so that I Myself may instruct you in the correct use of all that you will see therein. Come with Me into your home which, though small, contains more than the whole world, even more than a solar system in the sphere of the natural world, as you will soon realize. So be it!"

     Bishop Martin follows Me in astonishment, for instead of the expected small room, we enter a huge hall. The longer and more attentive he looks around, the more it expands, displaying everything that he is able to imagine.

     In the center of this spacious hall, a large, shining white, round disc is displayed on a golden stand. Behind it, on a bronze stand, is the most perfect, artificial globe, showing everything - from the largest to the smallest - that the real earth contains, from its center to its surface, including all that is happening there.

     Behind this globe is a similar artificial display of the whole planetary system of the earth's sun, also showing every detail and peculiarity of the planets and the sun.

     The floor of this hall appears to be of pure sapphire, the high walls of emerald, the ceiling of lapis lazuli, with numerous stars. A glorious purple light enters through the large windows and shines on a magnificent gallery of finest jasper, adorning the hall at half its height. Twelve doors lead from the hall into the adjoining rooms. And, in addition to all this, the emerald walls reflect in beautifully colored silhouettes whatever Bishop Martin can think of.

     After he has gazed at all this for a while in astonishment, he speaks again: "Oh, Lord, what does this trickery mean? From the outside the house looks so tiny, yet inside it looks like a whole world! How is it possible that something is larger inside than out? This I cannot understand; it is quite beyond me!"

     (Say I): "My beloved brother Martin, you will soon understand all this. In the real, true world of the spirits, everything is the opposite from what it is like in the material world. What is great in the world, is only small here; but whatever is small in the world, is great here. Who in the world is the first, is last here; who is the last, is first here!
    http://www.jakob-lorber.cc/index.php?s=BM+38&l=en&b=

    thank you DZ PLEASE for remindering me about mormon.

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    And thus, according to his word the earth goeth back, and it appeareth unto man that the  standeth still; yea, and behold, this is so; for surely it is the earth that moveth and not the sun.
    https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/12?lang=eng
    A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelphilip.html


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #32 on: October 25, 2017, 11:36:09 PM »
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    Look at the wonders and signs that are going to befall this Planet. Look at the ice of the north. For it will begin to move as the axis of the Earth shifts. You people believe you know it all.

    You people believe you’re gods. I will show you who is God. I will show you what God can do. Prepare for the Day of the Water. For if you live near the water you will see the Force of God. You people, who are followers of Satan, will be the first to taste the Power of God. For your God Jehovah will avenge His Name. He will strike down every altar of the enemy, every altar of Satan.

    http://prophecy.org.il/0220-prophecy


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    The Earth will shake with such force that it will swallow you. I will strike every nation according to the extent of the number of innocents they have murdered.  
    https://fatherofloveandmercy.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/god-the-father-i-will-strike-every-nation-according-to-the-extent-of-the-number-of-innocents-they-have-murdered/


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    When the First Commandment is broken by My Church on Earth – the final bastion of My Father over His children – the world will witness the worst chastisement since the flood.

    Your Jesus
    https://fatherofloveandmercy. wordpress. com/2014/05/24/once-paganism-grips-my-church-this-will-mark-the-final-chapter/


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    Your time is short before the comet of destruction will strike your planet.  I have told you before that it is on its way to you right now.  Scientists and astronomers will keep you from hearing any description of when this comet will approach the earth.  This will be My means of victory over the evil ones as darkness will overshadow the earth for three days.  Then just as I arose from the darkness of the tomb in three days, I will renew the face of the earth after three days as well.  Rejoice in My vanquishing of all evil on the earth as the evil ones will be cast into hell for their evil deeds.  Prepare for this cataclysmic event for then My peace will reign supreme over all the earth."
    http://www.johnleary.com/archives/Apr2001.txt
    A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelphilip.html

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #33 on: October 25, 2017, 11:48:05 PM »
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #34 on: October 25, 2017, 11:48:42 PM »
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  • sorry , Neil Obstat

    too late for edit anyway.
    A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive.

    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/gospelphilip.html


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 09:40:50 AM »
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  • Already done on many other threads and you have never responded. Why do you suddenly care? Here's a few, for starters:

    These suppoert geocentrism not a flat Earth.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 11:36:55 AM »
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  • These suppoert geocentrism not a flat Earth.

    If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly? 

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 11:55:33 AM »
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  • If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly?
    I didn't say anything about the drawing. I didn't say anything about a globe either.The immovability of the Earth and the motion of the Sun support geocentrism. Nothing else quoted supports any particular cosmological model, and nothing at all supports a "flat Earth".
    Are you claiming I can't draw the exact same picture except in a spherical form with the exact same captions and have it make just as much sense as flat Earth "model"? I can define "above" as the direction of a radial vector pointed away from the center of the Earth, draw the exact same "firmament" around it, and fill in some "waters" outside of it as the "waters above" while pointing to the oceans as the waters "below" the firmament. Now explain how that makes any less "sense" than s tupid flat Earth model which cannot accoutn for the ontological difference ebtween "aove" and "below" and which tells me, in essence, that things fall down because they fall down.


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:05 PM »
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  • The firmament separates the "waters" above it from the "waters" below it. There is not need to invoke subterranean oceans: it is never stated that "below" is referrring to a region beneath the Earth rather than one beneath the sky.

    As it is, it's not even clear that "waters" means H2O: in Hebrew tradition these waters of the deep can means the unformed primordial chaos of tohu and bohu, the same "many waters" that cannot quench love in the Canticle of Canticles. In materialistic terms they could even be regarded as the ether or as a material rather than empty space.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #39 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:43 PM »
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  • I didn't say anything about the drawing. I didn't say anything about a globe either.The immovability of the Earth and the motion of the Sun support geocentrism. Nothing else quoted supports any particular cosmological model, and nothing at all supports a "flat Earth".
    Are you claiming I can't draw the exact same picture except in a spherical form with the exact same captions and have it make just as much sense as flat Earth "model"? I can define "above" as the direction of a radial vector pointed away from the center of the Earth, draw the exact same "firmament" around it, and fill in some "waters" outside of it as the "waters above" while pointing to the oceans as the waters "below" the firmament. Now explain how that makes any less "sense" than s tupid flat Earth model which cannot accoutn for the ontological difference ebtween "aove" and "below" and which tells me, in essence, that things fall down because they fall down.

    If in the future you are capable of rational discourse without being rude, then I will respond to your post. Surely it isn't that difficult to answer my question without being rude. But then you're a trad. So perhaps it can't be helped. Being rude is likely in your nature, like Neil. 


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #40 on: November 23, 2017, 12:13:57 PM »
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  • If the drawing supports geocentrism, then how would the "Waters Above," and the "Waters below," as depicted in the drawing, work on a globe, exactly?
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    You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #41 on: November 23, 2017, 12:20:46 PM »
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    You know, Meg, if you could just learn to ask questions without being so rude then maybe you'd get polite answers.
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    My question was not rude, Neil. Since you have a pathological hatred of anything having to do with the Flat Earth, anything you say can be instantly discounted. I will not respond to you further.

    What is it with trad men, that they can get away with being so rude? My guess is that they are not married, and do not have a good woman to help mitigate their bad nature.


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #42 on: November 23, 2017, 12:31:17 PM »
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  • Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:


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    Just one more thing to add, Jayne. Hopefully this won't sound lame, but Cath Info is a good place for know-it-all women (like us) to learn to be more humble, and to realize that we aren't smarter than the trad men around us. Not an easy lesson to learn, but much needed! God bless!
    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #43 on: November 23, 2017, 12:33:35 PM »
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  • If in the future you are capable of rational discourse without being rude, then I will respond to your post. Surely it isn't that difficult to answer my question without being rude. But then you're a trad. So perhaps it can't be helped. Being rude is likely in your nature, like Neil.

    :confused: There's no rudeness in my response. What are you referring to? That I called the flat Earth model stupid? It is stupid. Maybe there's an intelligent way of modelling a flat Earth in a Euclidean universe, but the usual ones presented which don't even understand something as basic as conservation of momentum are not examples of that.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #44 on: November 23, 2017, 12:41:16 PM »
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  • Meg, you once said something to me long ago that made a deep impression on me and I have remembered it for all these years:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jaynek-thread/msg330177/#msg330177

    Even though I sometimes disagree with what you post, Jayne, I appreciate you, because I know that you are sincere.

    I am a know-it-all woman. That goes without saying. However, when I ask a quesrion without being rude, do trad men have an obligation to respond in a rude and nasty manner? You seem to think that this behavior should be acceptable. But then you do think that men should be allowed
    to hit their wives, correct?

     

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