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Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
« on: October 11, 2017, 09:19:05 AM »
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  • Stephen Hawking knows the truth: the Church always believed the earth to be flat.
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    From his book, The Grand Design:
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    Copernicus, like Aristarchus some seventeen centuries earlier, described a world in which the sun was at rest and the planets revolved around it in circular orbits. Though the idea wasn't new, its revival was met with passionate resistance. The Copernican model was held to contradict the Bible, which was interpreted as saying that the planets moved around the earth, even though the Bible never clearly stated that. In fact, at the time the Bible was written, people believed the earth was flat. 







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    https://books.google.com/books?id=ePaawpkS6dMC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=copernicus+proved+ptolemy+wrong,+that+is+not+true.+hawking+grand+design&source=bl&ots=vOssU1DVer&sig=rvnEGZwa25Fq-FO06ye1rs4X_Do&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC98Xg3ujWAhWs6oMKHXTuBbUQ6AEIOTAD#v=onepage&q=copernicus%20proved%20ptolemy%20wrong%2C%20that%20is%20not%20true.%20hawking%20grand%20design&f=false

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 09:20:03 AM »
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  • Sorry, I meant to post this in the ghetto.
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    Maybe a mod can move it? Thx


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 09:23:13 AM »
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  • Thanks, for showing us again how you wouldn't know about either scholastic principle or authority once again.

    Nice cherries though, very juicy.

    Hawking asserted gravity in lieu of God, among other "gems" BTW.

    "Try to keep up."
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 09:52:47 AM »
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  • Even if Stephen Hawking is a source we all agree is worthy of citing, he doesn't say the CHURCH has always believed the Earth was flat. He makes a generalized statement about the "people" living during the writing of the Bible. How you can take this as him saying that the Church always believed the E was F is weird on your part.
    "... weird..."
    That's a kind way to put it. 
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 10:14:10 AM »
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  • The Church, along with the majority of Catholic tradition, the majority of saints who mention it, as well as scripture, have always promoted and defended geocentric flat earth.  History, Church teachings, quotes and writings prove it over and over again.  Math and science also prove people and water do not stick to a spinning ball.  If you have other proof, please provide it.  Otherwise, save your disses.  Saying that it is impossible because you think it works a different way is not proof.  You need a non-pagan source of some sort, or your arguments are moot. 


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 10:19:04 AM »
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  • Funny how we have restricted sources, yet they do not. 

    I guess being female exempts one from the requirement of being relevant to boot. 

    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 11:20:00 AM »
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  • I wouldn't need to prove it because the burden of proof is not on the Globe Earther.

    I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 11:23:33 AM »
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  • Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts? 
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    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 11:28:51 AM »
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  • Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts?
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    Don't know if I would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better." 

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 11:31:53 AM »
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  • Don't know if would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better."
    I wouldn't either, save in jest; however, don't let fools fool you; IMO, you severely underestimate the "power" of bull-headed stupidity and pride born rancor.

    At least some have been claiming such since the original post, if tacitly.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 12:39:10 PM »
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  • Prove it. This is a huge generalization. Also, Scripture says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the shape of the Earth.
    There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 12:40:16 PM »
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  • I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100
    There is no "unanimous consensus" that the earth is a ball.
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    Plenty of Church doctors wrote about the flat earth.
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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #12 on: October 20, 2017, 11:14:29 PM »
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  • [BM 38.5] (Say I): "Do not worry about these things, My dear brother Martin, for if I were not the First and the Last and All in all everywhere, things would not be too good in all infinity. But you may turn wherever you want to and you will find Me. [BM 38.6] Let us now inspect this little house, so that I Myself may instruct you in the correct use of all that you will see therein. Come with Me into your home which, though small, contains more than the whole world, even more than a solar system in the sphere of the natural world, as you will soon realize. So be it!" [BM 38.7] Bishop Martin follows Me in astonishment, for instead of the expected small room, we enter a huge hall. The longer and more attentive he looks around, the more it expands, displaying everything that he is able to imagine. [BM 38.8] In the center of this spacious hall, a large, shining white, round disc is displayed on a golden stand. Behind it, on a bronze stand, is the most perfect, artificial globe, showing everything - from the largest to the smallest - that the real earth contains, from its center to its surface, including all that is happening there. [BM 38.9] Behind this globe is a similar artificial display of the whole planetary system of the earth's sun, also showing every detail and peculiarity of the planets and the sun. [BM 38.10] The floor of this hall appears to be of pure sapphire, the high walls of emerald, the ceiling of lapis lazuli, with numerous stars. A glorious purple light enters through the large windows and shines on a magnificent gallery of finest jasper, adorning the hall at half its height. Twelve doors lead from the hall into the adjoining rooms. And, in addition to all this, the emerald walls reflect in beautifully colored silhouettes whatever Bishop Martin can think of. [BM 38.11] After he has gazed at all this for a while in astonishment, he speaks again: "Oh, Lord, what does this trickery mean? From the outside the house looks so tiny, yet inside it looks like a whole world! How is it possible that something is larger inside than out? This I cannot understand; it is quite beyond me!" [BM 38.12] (Say I): "My beloved brother Martin, you will soon understand all this. In the real, true world of the spirits, everything is the opposite from what it is like in the material world. What is great in the world, is only small here; but whatever is small in the world, is great here. Who in the world is the first, is last here; who is the last, is first here!


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    A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 11:16:21 PM »
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    As inhabitants of this globe—who come from only a single stock and from only one Creator—you hate each other among yourselves.

    /Jesus Christ

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    A Gentile does not die, for he has never lived in order that he may die. He who has believed in the truth has found life, and this one is in danger of dying, for he is alive.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #14 on: October 20, 2017, 11:59:00 PM »
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  • There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.
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    Why don't you start listing them all and we can see what you're referring to, if anything.
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