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Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
« on: October 11, 2017, 09:19:05 AM »
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  • Stephen Hawking knows the truth: the Church always believed the earth to be flat.
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    From his book, The Grand Design:
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    Copernicus, like Aristarchus some seventeen centuries earlier, described a world in which the sun was at rest and the planets revolved around it in circular orbits. Though the idea wasn't new, its revival was met with passionate resistance. The Copernican model was held to contradict the Bible, which was interpreted as saying that the planets moved around the earth, even though the Bible never clearly stated that. In fact, at the time the Bible was written, people believed the earth was flat. 







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    https://books.google.com/books?id=ePaawpkS6dMC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=copernicus+proved+ptolemy+wrong,+that+is+not+true.+hawking+grand+design&source=bl&ots=vOssU1DVer&sig=rvnEGZwa25Fq-FO06ye1rs4X_Do&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC98Xg3ujWAhWs6oMKHXTuBbUQ6AEIOTAD#v=onepage&q=copernicus%20proved%20ptolemy%20wrong%2C%20that%20is%20not%20true.%20hawking%20grand%20design&f=false

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #1 on: October 11, 2017, 09:20:03 AM »
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  • Sorry, I meant to post this in the ghetto.
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    Maybe a mod can move it? Thx


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #2 on: October 11, 2017, 09:23:13 AM »
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  • Thanks, for showing us again how you wouldn't know about either scholastic principle or authority once again.

    Nice cherries though, very juicy.

    Hawking asserted gravity in lieu of God, among other "gems" BTW.

    "Try to keep up."
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2017, 09:46:39 AM »
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  • Stephen Hawking knows the truth: the Church always believed the earth to be flat.
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    From his book, The Grand Design:
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    https://books.google.com/books?id=ePaawpkS6dMC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=copernicus+proved+ptolemy+wrong,+that+is+not+true.+hawking+grand+design&source=bl&ots=vOssU1DVer&sig=rvnEGZwa25Fq-FO06ye1rs4X_Do&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiC98Xg3ujWAhWs6oMKHXTuBbUQ6AEIOTAD#v=onepage&q=copernicus%20proved%20ptolemy%20wrong%2C%20that%20is%20not%20true.%20hawking%20grand%20design&f=false
    Even if Stephen Hawking is a source we all agree is worthy of citing, he doesn't say the CHURCH has always believed the Earth was flat. He makes a generalized statement about the "people" living during the writing of the Bible. How you can take this as him saying that the Church always believed the E was F is weird on your part.
    There is no difference between an intoxicated man and one full of his own opinion, and one is no more capable of reasoning than the other.----St. Francis de Sales

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2017, 09:52:47 AM »
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  • Even if Stephen Hawking is a source we all agree is worthy of citing, he doesn't say the CHURCH has always believed the Earth was flat. He makes a generalized statement about the "people" living during the writing of the Bible. How you can take this as him saying that the Church always believed the E was F is weird on your part.
    "... weird..."
    That's a kind way to put it. 
    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #5 on: October 11, 2017, 09:55:01 AM »
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  • "... weird..."
    That's a kind way to put it.
    I figured it could be all-inclusive.
    There is no difference between an intoxicated man and one full of his own opinion, and one is no more capable of reasoning than the other.----St. Francis de Sales

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2017, 10:14:10 AM »
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  • The Church, along with the majority of Catholic tradition, the majority of saints who mention it, as well as scripture, have always promoted and defended geocentric flat earth.  History, Church teachings, quotes and writings prove it over and over again.  Math and science also prove people and water do not stick to a spinning ball.  If you have other proof, please provide it.  Otherwise, save your disses.  Saying that it is impossible because you think it works a different way is not proof.  You need a non-pagan source of some sort, or your arguments are moot. 

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2017, 10:19:04 AM »
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  • Funny how we have restricted sources, yet they do not. 

    I guess being female exempts one from the requirement of being relevant to boot. 

    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #8 on: October 11, 2017, 10:31:31 AM »
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  • The Church, along with the majority of Catholic tradition, the majority of saints who mention it, as well as scripture, have always promoted and defended geocentric flat earth.
    Prove it. This is a huge generalization. Also, Scripture says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the shape of the Earth. St. Basil says that those who say it does think they are wiser than the Holy Ghost.
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    History, Church teachings, quotes and writings prove it over and over again.
    Just because it's mentioned sometimes is not proof. It's only proof that some Church persons believed it.
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      Math and science also prove people and water do not stick to a spinning ball.  If you have other proof, please provide it.
    I wouldn't need to prove it because the burden of proof is not on the Globe Earther.
     
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    Otherwise, save your disses.  Saying that it is impossible because you think it works a different way is not proof.
    I didn't say it's impossible. I did say that proving it from Scripture is impossible. The Bible does not say "the shape of the Earth is flat" or anything else explicit like that.
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    You need a non-pagan source of some sort, or your arguments are moot. 
    Yet you say nothing of the Pagan source your fellow FEer erroneously used to try to prove a point that had nothing to do with what the source was speaking about.
    There is no difference between an intoxicated man and one full of his own opinion, and one is no more capable of reasoning than the other.----St. Francis de Sales

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #9 on: October 11, 2017, 11:20:00 AM »
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  • I wouldn't need to prove it because the burden of proof is not on the Globe Earther.

    I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #10 on: October 11, 2017, 11:23:33 AM »
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  • Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts? 
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    "Lord, have mercy".


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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #11 on: October 11, 2017, 11:28:51 AM »
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  • Good of you to try but really, when will you cease taking such sadistic pleasure in confusing people with the facts?
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    Don't know if I would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better." 

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2017, 11:31:53 AM »
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  • Don't know if would claim I take "sadistic pleasure," well maybe just a little bit, but they can't claim now, "I didn't know any better."
    I wouldn't either, save in jest; however, don't let fools fool you; IMO, you severely underestimate the "power" of bull-headed stupidity and pride born rancor.

    At least some have been claiming such since the original post, if tacitly.
    "Lord, have mercy".

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2017, 12:39:10 PM »
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  • Prove it. This is a huge generalization. Also, Scripture says ABSOLUTELY nothing about the shape of the Earth.
    There are hundreds of Scripture passages about the shape of the earth.

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    Re: Stephen Hawking knows the Church believed the earth is FLAT
    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2017, 12:40:16 PM »
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  • I think it would be wise for happenby to "happen by" a response by DZ to a post of mine, which is similar to what An even Seven just stated...

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/is-the-sun-93-000-000-mi-away-nope/msg567100/#msg567100
    There is no "unanimous consensus" that the earth is a ball.
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    Plenty of Church doctors wrote about the flat earth.
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