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Offline John Grace

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Split in the Irish Pro-Life Movement?
« on: September 18, 2013, 03:22:22 PM »
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  • Hibernicus.
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    The latest CATHOLIC VOICE has an open letter to the leaders of Irish pro-life organisations by Patrick McCrystal of Human Life International Ireland in which he argues for a "Smeatonite" position - that is, that in order to oppose abortion effectively one must oppose contraception as well, so that all pro-life organisations should be explicitly committed to every particular of Catholic/Christian sɛҳuąƖ ethics.
    As you probably know, John Smeaton's advocacy of this position led to a major split in the British pro-life movement, with Phyllis Bowman and other founders of SPUC on the other side. I notice Mr Smeaton himself is speaking at the FAITH OF OUR FATHERS conference organised in Kilkenny this weekend by the CATHOLIC VOICE. I think we have a similar split brewing here (except insofar as we have one already with the PLC vs YD division).


    Personally I take the "Bowmanite" view that while I do subscribe to Catholic sɛҳuąƖ ethics in its fullness and there are undoubtedly connections between the wider sɛҳuąƖ apostasy and the rise of legal abortion, there is also a significant division between abortion and these other issues so that it is possible for people who are in error on those other points to see the wrongness of abortion. To drive away such people by insisting that they must sign up to "the whole package" as a precondition for being pro-lifers seems to me suicidal. It's not as if the pro-life cause was so strong it can afford to do without potential supporters. This approach may not have done much to check abortion, but the Smeatonite approach is guaranteed to have even less success IMHO. Just because we are losing doesn't mean the only alternative is winning - we could lose even worse


    Offline John Grace

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    Split in the Irish Pro-Life Movement?
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2013, 03:28:59 PM »
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  • There is only one side to take and that is of those that link abortion and contraception. I was asked to volunteer at the Human Life shop but couldn't. I do not agree with this 'Theology of the Body' and NFP is an issue for me.

    Unlike other groups, HLI never mask their Catholicism but it is NewChurch.

    Hibernicus is not correct to say there is a split. There has always been differences in method.



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    Split in the Irish Pro-Life Movement?
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2013, 03:37:14 PM »
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  • I don't mean either that Youth Defence mask their Catholicism. Whilst supported by many Trads, they are Conciliar Catholic. Appearing on EWTN and organising at a World Youth Day made it very clear.

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    Split in the Irish Pro-Life Movement?
    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2013, 06:26:54 PM »
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  • International Adoption laws in Ireland need to change too.  
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    Split in the Irish Pro-Life Movement?
    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2013, 06:28:02 PM »
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  • Is Kilkenny near Glenties and the Blue stack mountains?
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