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Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
« on: September 23, 2017, 02:44:54 PM »
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    Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth

    Table of Contents
    • 1. Samuel Birley Rowbotham
    • 2. William Carpenter
      • 2.1. Works, "Curious"
    • 3. John Jasper
    • 4. Wilbur Glenn Voliva


    1. Samuel Birley Rowbotham

    organiser of an Owenite commune

    Owenism is the utopian socialist philosophy of 19th-century social reformer Robert Owen and his followers and successors, who are known as Owenites.
    2. William Carpenter
    "For many years Mr. Carpenter had also been a vegetarian, a believer in the power of mesmerism and a spiritualist. Upon each of these questions he wrote pamphlets."
    2.1. Works, "Curious"
    • Communion with 'Ministering Spirits', William Horsall, 1858.
    • Something About Spiritualism: a Reply to Professor Airy's Ipswich Lectures to Workingmen, London: Job Caudwell, 1865.
    3. John Jasper
    Baptist minister
    4. Wilbur Glenn Voliva

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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 03:02:07 PM »
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  • Would it be a stretch, in light of the above, to at least suspect that the "Catholics" who are pushing this dreck just might not be Catholic Catholics even merely by profession?

    I ask that if this "FE" business can be reasonably shown to be proselytizing for another religion, then wouldn't that change things a mite?
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 03:06:43 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 03:10:22 PM »
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  • Perhaps a properly worded poll is in order, along the lines of, "Is FE, explicitly or otherwise, tantamount to the proselytization for another, so-called, religion?"

    Y/n?
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 03:12:35 PM »
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.

    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
    More irrelevant drivel. Get your trash off of this thread.
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 03:28:06 PM »
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  • God is the Father of the Flat Earth, after all; God created the Flat Earth.
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 03:29:36 PM »
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  • Would it be a stretch, in light of the above, to at least suspect that the "Catholics" who are pushing this dreck just might not be Catholic Catholics even merely by profession?

    I ask that if this "FE" business can be reasonably shown to be proselytizing for another religion, then wouldn't that change things a mite?
    Believe it or not, I am suspicious of the same thing. Why not the enemy robbed the Vatican from us so why not focus on the traditionals.  
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 03:31:16 PM »
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  • Believe it or not, I am suspicious of the same thing. Why not the enemy robbed the Vatican from us so why not focus on the traditionals.  

    Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 03:36:19 PM »
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  • Fine, keep yammering and playing out that rope.
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 03:46:00 PM »
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  • Do you believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s)?

    The majority of people on Cathinfo.com who refuse to believe that the earth is flat also do not believe all Infallibly Defined Dogmas’ of the Catholic Church without innovation(s).

    A good question. I could be mistaken, but I think you asked this question of Myrna once before, and there wasn't a response.

    Why would someone who is supposedly Catholic not accept all of the dogmas of the Catholic Church, I wonder?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 04:00:04 PM »
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  • Meg, if I didn't I would be committing a grave sacrilege every time I received Our Lord at Holy Communion Body, Soul and Divinity as anyone else here would be guilty of.

    I don't understand why that question is tossed again and again on a Catholic forum.  

    Do you besides being so eager to fall off the edge (no pun meant ... well... ;)) do you actually believe you are all some sort of gods to be even asking and judging people who do not agree with you about Catholic dogma.  
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 04:04:09 PM »
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  • Meg, if I didn't I would be committing a grave sacrilege every time I received Our Lord at Holy Communion Body, Soul and Divinity as anyone else here would be guilty of.

    I don't understand why that question is tossed again and again on a Catholic forum.  

    Do you besides being so eager to fall off the edge (no pun meant ... well... ;)) do you actually believe you are all some sort of gods to be even asking and judging people who do not agree with you about Catholic dogma.  

    I think it's a fair question. Why should any Catholic be offended by the question? And why is it "judgmental" to ask it? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 04:08:21 PM »
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  • Meg, if I didn't I would be committing a grave sacrilege every time I received Our Lord at Holy Communion Body, Soul and Divinity as anyone else here would be guilty of.

    I don't understand why that question is tossed again and again on a Catholic forum.  

    Do you besides being so eager to fall off the edge (no pun meant ... well... ;)) do you actually believe you are all some sort of gods to be even asking and judging people who do not agree with you about Catholic dogma.  
    It is highly unlikely that they mean the same things with the words that they use, including those composing their questions.

    In short, to answer a question like that only fuels wickedness and doubly so in consideration of the matter.

    Beside, just as they are quite possibly lying, any (other?) heretic can and has done so including under Catholic sounding questions.

    Think of this; if they actually are fakes, using the same terms as actual Catholics, as used in and by the real Church, then just as with historic heretics facing the Inquisition they can make pretense at orthodoxy by equivocation of Catholic terms.

    This I very much suspect is happening here.

    The Inquisitors were, figuratively speaking, wrestling with greased heretical pigs.

    Sound familiar?
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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 04:11:36 PM »
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  • It is highly unlikely that they mean the same things with the words that they use, including those composing their questions.

    In short, to answer a question like that only fuels wickedness and doubly so in consideration of the matter.

    Beside, just as they are quite possibly lying, any (other?) heretic can and has done so including under Catholic sounding questions.

    Think of this; if they actually are fakes, using the same terms as actual Catholics, as used in and by the real Church, then just as with historic heretics facing the Inquisition they can make pretense at orthodoxy by equivocation of Catholic terms.

    This I very much suspect is happening here.

    The Inquisitors were, figuratively speaking, wrestling with greased heretical pigs just to pin them down and get a clear answer.

    Sound familiar?

    Dizzy,

    Since the subject of the FE wasn't banned, I think that you must be quite upset about it.

    I don't understand why the subject of the FE can cause grown men to become so emotional and upset. It's kinda girlie.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Some "Fathers" of Flat Earth
    « Reply #14 on: September 23, 2017, 04:15:14 PM »
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  • Dizzy,

    Since the subject of the FE wasn't banned, I think that you must be quite upset about it.

    I don't understand why the FE can cause grown men to become so emotional and upset. It's kinda girlie.
    Also notice the guile, the manipulation, the tactics of insinuation including the assumptions(?) that:
    1. I wanted the topic banned.
    2. I'm somehow emotional and upset thereby
    Add to that, the impugning of my manhood.

    Mind your soul Nutmeg.
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