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Offline spouse of Jesus

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should society reward good actions or only God?
« on: July 05, 2010, 11:36:10 AM »
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  •   Some believe that the society must be indifferent to many sins, and treat the innocent and guilty in the same way, because according to them" the good should have only God in mind and must not look for any temporal benefit if they are honest." I am starting this thread as you are possibly going to hear sth about us in the news.
      Premarital chastity was/is a must here. In the old time girls wouldn't easyily succomb to temptations as their future was at stake. But after the invention of modern methods of restoration of purity by surgery, boldness in sin came into picture. As a result the law is going to ask legal doctors (don't know the english term, I mean the doctors who are concerned with crimes etc.) to examine those who are going to marry to make a distinction between those who are really pure and those who fake it. If someone is willing to marry a girl with a past, he is free to do so. Only that grooms can't be fooled.
      I know that BBC and VOA are going to mock us, so I had to speaK out.


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    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2010, 11:46:39 AM »
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  • A woman could be a prostitute and seem to be physically a virgin, even without a "restoration."

    The evil that is wrecking society comes from new customs that were established for the purpose of wrecking marriage: they are considered "modern" and usually have to do with increasing the occasions of sin.

    Unfortunately very few people are really willing to sacrifice their pride for good morality.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2010, 11:59:55 AM »
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  •   a legal doctor can distinguish between the type you mentioned and a really good woman.
      The point is that a girl with a past can marry someone who understands her, only that she can't lie. Some men had done bad things in their youth, some even are living with consequences of their sins. Such men are usually open to marry repentant women.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2010, 12:06:50 PM »
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     a legal doctor can distinguish between the type you mentioned and a really good woman


    I mean there is a thing called "technical virginity."  It is common for women in this country to call themselves virgins without being chaste in any sense.

    Offline Trinity

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    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2010, 12:15:40 PM »
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  • I would say that society and the laws should uphold good behavior and frown on bad behavior.  Too many fools think that legal is right and good.  
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2010, 12:23:41 PM »
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  • Governing persons in any society get their authority from God. That is to say, they have no authority, and cannot have any authority, EXCEPT... to enforce God's law, and to obey Him in everything, and to make it as easy as possible for their subjects to do the same.

    Whenever a leader of a country "okays" sins, approves some sin... that is against God. That leader has no authority whatsoever, for instance, to say abortion is legal. That is a grave sin on the part of the governing person, and it produces a law which no person faithful to God can follow, because that person had no authority to say it is "all right".

    This is true of any such sin (like abortion or birth control) which are things the government COULD forbid and do it's best to enforce. Saying that the government could not possibly stop people from doing those things, or saying people will do them anyhow, and might get hurt trying to do them illegally, is like saying you will not stop all robbers, and therefore it should be legal for everyone to rob anyone they want. Or that robbery should be all right, as long as the robber personally feels that he or she "needs" to commit the crime. We would not say this about MOST crimes... but when it comes to divorce, abortion, adultery, porn, prostitution and so on, our governments have become willing to adopt a totally wrong and totally unjust position (in the eyes of God) which they have absolutely no authority to enforce or approve. It is like saying they are going to use authority that is from God, and which is only binding when it operates FOR God (eg, according to HIS laws), to DEFY God. It is insane, and wrong.

    The fact is, like it or not, God really, truly IS the Author and "force" of all authority on earth. Authority is said to be "just" (or binding) whenever it is in line with, or does not oppose the laws of God. Authority has NO binding power before God, if the person who holds it attempts to impose or encourage something that is against God or His laws. This is the REALITY of authority. Of course you can still be thrown into jail or whatever if you break a sinful, unethical law... but in terms of our souls, such laws are not binding because it would be sinful for us to follow them. (You'd be choosing hell over jail, and offending God over offending men.)

    Since authority is only God's, and men can only possess real and just authority if they uphold God's interests and laws, then a governing person should never decree that any sin is "all right" or pass any laws that encourage sins, or command us to commit them, because such laws and decrees are NOT binding in the eyes of God, but contrary to Him, and we are bound to disobey them where it would mean the commission of sin ourselves.

    While we MAY submit to unjust laws like being taxed to death, we may not submit to laws that command us personally to sin. And governing persons have no right or authority to pass any law that is sinful, or that encourages sins.

    Societies should absolutely, on the other hand, encourage virtue and true holiness (true obedience to the One, True God) by it's laws and so forth, and by protecting the common man from undue exposure to things that would lead him into sin, such as prostitution or porn. (True) churches should be encouraged by laws and other helps to flourish and the One, True religion MUST be (if at all possible) the one and only religion of the state, because it is God's religion, from whence the only real authority comes from, and because Christ is truly King, whether or not these men "will not have him to rule over them".

    Since the only true authority any men on earth possesses comes from God, it is only rational that those same men must acknowledge the True King, Jesus Christ. The fact of His Divine Kingship does not change simply because men deny it. But those rulers who go along with denying it, when they should be it's fiercest defenders and supporters, will be accountable for anything they could have done or implemented in it's favor, and didn't.

    We can't deny that Christ is King, because He simply is. And there is no authority upon earth, except authority that is ratified by God. Who are men, that they have power over other men? Or what gives them this power? All men being equal before God, none of them have a right to just take over things, least of all if it's to fly in the face of God's laws. Actual or real authority can only come from above.

    A ruler is a maker of laws, but there is one Divine Lawmaker whose laws cannot (must not) be violated or erased or changed or ignored by any man on earth. Authority exists among men, pretty much only to speak for that Divine King in all matters that society faces.

    Sadly, the reality has been pretty much universally ignored at this point. If people would look in the Bible, however, they would see what happened to those wicked men who would not have their rightful king to rule over them.

    Of course, I'm not condoning lawlessness, or open defiance of any authority figure. We must obey where possible, and where it is not sinful for us to do so. If at all possible without offending God, we usually must obey.
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2010, 12:44:10 PM »
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  • We usually must obey though the injustice gag us.  You know all these things, Dulcamara, and I know all these things and so our conscience will bear witness to us in the end.  But it would seem that all these others do not know these things, so for them, who knows.

    I finally came to the conclusion that God is pro choice. Not pro abortion, mind you, but pro choice.  Hence free will. If you want to look on the bright side of this, these women aren't forced to procure an abortion.  They, like all of us, can choose to sin or not.  Unfortunately they foolishly think that legal makes right.  It all goes back to having a right conscience.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2010, 01:22:33 PM »
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  •   There are also some so-called moralists and followers of "goodness and love" who are against any authority unless it is smiling, soft and ready to cover all sins. "how can a loving God allow you to be harsh on your fellow-men?" is their motto. Among them are pacifists, NOs and liberal moslems. I can hear their voices even now :" Christ forgave the sinful woman, how dare you expose someone's sin?are you innocent yourselves?"
      I know that our attacker won't be only atheists and feminists but also those 'believers' who love to defend good reputation of those women with their right to having normal life.
      But nobody has a right to lie. If one has a disease, addiction, problem or so, s/he has to inform the future spouse. It is why they made it mandatory here for people to have blood tests before marriage, to make sure if they don't have some addiction AIDS etc. (as many would falsly say they are healthy) Are those psude believers against these tests too, lest some drug addict's reputation as a normal man is lost?


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    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2010, 01:39:57 PM »
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  • That is liberalism, Spouse.   The bane of the world today.
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    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #9 on: July 05, 2010, 01:54:43 PM »
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  • The main goal of the government should be justice, where the good are rewarded and the evil are punished. Liberals talk about mercy, but what they really want is a complete inversion of justice where the wicked are rewarded and the good are punished. They are evil and they know it and want the government to reward them for their evil.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 05, 2010, 02:00:30 PM »
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  • Good point, Matto.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 05, 2010, 02:22:34 PM »
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    The main goal of the government should be justice, where the good are rewarded and the evil are punished. Liberals talk about mercy, but what they really want is a complete inversion of justice where the wicked are rewarded and the good are punished. They are evil and they know it and want the government to reward them for their evil.


    Yup... that's pretty much it!
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #12 on: July 05, 2010, 02:53:02 PM »
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  •   One really anti-feministic point about the examination of purity by legal doctors is the fact men are exempt from it. A feminist can never bear such an inequality(!) when a man's sins can remain hidden, but not a woman's. They don't see the fact that as it takes two to the tango, the emphasis on female purity makes chaste men too, and viceversa.

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    « Reply #13 on: July 05, 2010, 04:00:57 PM »
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    A feminist can never bear such an inequality(!)

    Feminists cannot bear a lot of things. They will never forgive God for making women subject to their husbands. If it were possible to tell if a man remained pure by examining him and they examined the men as well, they would still object because their goal is to rid world of purity.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 04:28:43 PM »
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     There are also some so-called moralists and followers of "goodness and love" who are against any authority unless it is smiling, soft and ready to cover all sins. "how can a loving God allow you to be harsh on your fellow-men?" is their motto.


    Well technically those people who say this have just sinned against that loving God's first commandment by making a "graven thing (image)" of him. This does not only refer to a false statue but to a false image of God: "It may be that the Hebrew translated "graven image" had a technical sense that meant more than a statue, and included the idea of idol" (CE, Veneration of Images). Their conception of God is of one who has divorced his justice and holiness from his love. God becomes more of a grandfather in the sky to them, than the real God.
    Pray for me, always.