Author Topic: Selling a ton of guns to Illegals (Read 1519 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 12, 2011, 11:12:42 AM »

Fast and Furious: ‘Keep Selling, They Told Him’

September 12th, 2011
Via Los Angeles Times:
In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard’s Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.
For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

gunfighter · « **Reply #1 on:** September 12, 2011, 11:23:12 AM »

Obama and Holder should be impeached/prosecuted.

RIP Brian Terry

Lighthouse · « **Reply #2 on:** September 12, 2011, 11:23:20 AM »

Obviously not the kind of thing that some mid-level bureaucrat would go with on his own. The "top" either knew it was happening or was unbelievably incompetent in supervising.

They shouldn't be allowed to let this slip away without placing the blame and punishing those who deserve it, even if it reaches all the way up the ladder.

:judge:

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** September 12, 2011, 11:26:34 AM »

We're in for a horrible cινιℓ ωαr eventually, I'm afraid.

gunfighter · « **Reply #4 on:** September 12, 2011, 12:03:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

We're in for a horrible cινιℓ ωαr eventually, I'm afraid.

It would make sense to form groups of Traditional Catholics to support each other in the case of civil uprising. Unfortunately, we seem to be a splintered lot.

Arm and train yourselves, so you can protect your families.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #5 on:** September 12, 2011, 12:08:00 PM »

Quote from: gunfighter

Quote from: Matthew
We're in for a horrible cινιℓ ωαr eventually, I'm afraid.

It would make sense to form groups of Traditional Catholics to support each other in the case of civil uprising. Unfortunately, we seem to be a splintered lot.

Things like that change in times of catastrophe, let alone war.

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #6 on:** September 12, 2011, 12:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Fast and Furious: ‘Keep Selling, They Told Him’

September 12th, 2011
Via Los Angeles Times:
In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard’s Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.
For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

I'm actually inclined to think that these shady characters were instructed to make their purchases at this shop rather than under the table as usual.

If you are running a cartel, you are not going to have your underlings get arms from Ma&Pas store unless you are stealing them.

gunfighter · « **Reply #7 on:** September 12, 2011, 12:43:37 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Samurai

Quote from: Matthew
Fast and Furious: ‘Keep Selling, They Told Him’

September 12th, 2011
Via Los Angeles Times:
In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard’s Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.
For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.
When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

I'm actually inclined to think that these shady characters were instructed to make their purchases at this shop rather than under the table as usual.

If you are running a cartel, you are not going to have your underlings get arms from Ma&Pas store unless you are stealing them.

I think you are right. Why would criminals pay retail prices for non-NFA weapons. The cartels can get cases of automatic weapons through the black gun market.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #8 on:** September 12, 2011, 01:14:05 PM »

Now THAT'S an intriguing bit of news!

It is brimming with possibilities,

Gregory I · « **Reply #9 on:** September 16, 2011, 02:02:29 AM »

Vote for change: Buy a gun! :dwarf: