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Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
« on: November 28, 2021, 07:07:47 PM »
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    How American Jєωs Secularized Christmas
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    I was recently made aware of a musical docuмentary called Dreaming of a Jєωιѕн Christmas (available to watch here), directed and narrated by Canadian Jєωιѕн filmmaker Larry Weinstein. The film features a panel of Jєωιѕн “experts” including an ethnomusicologist, a music educator, a composer, a journalist, a known lawyer, several comedians, a museum director, a rabbi and even a Catholic priest. With this panel, the viewer enters the world of popular Christmas music, learning how the vast majority of American Christmas songs were created by Jєωιѕн songwriters with the confessed purpose of de-Christianizing Christmas.
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 07:51:34 PM »
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  • The first big step to take Christ out of Christmas began with Santa Claus. Santa is Satan spelled inside-out and Santa wears the color that is traditionally associated with Satan (red). 

    The next big step was to write Christmas as XMas. X takes the Christ out of Christmas as well and to those who try to explain it away by saying that X is just an abbreviation, it isn't. If it was meant to be an abbreviation, it would be a T or a t (to represent the Cross) instead of an X (which is just a way to disassociate Christ with Christmas

    That's why I hate Santa Claus and the entire secularization of Christmas. It was done to stress consumerism instead of celebrating the birth of Christ. 


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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 07:56:09 PM »
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  • The first big step to take Christ out of Christmas began with Santa Claus. Santa is Satan spelled inside-out and Santa wears the color that is traditionally associated with Satan (red).

    The next big step was to write Christmas as XMas. X takes the Christ out of Christmas as well and to those who try to explain it away by saying that X is just an abbreviation, it isn't. If it was meant to be an abbreviation, it would be a T or a t (to represent the Cross) instead of an X (which is just a way to disassociate Christ with Christmas.

    That's why I hate Santa Claus and the entire secularization of Christmas. It was done to stress consumerism instead of celebrating the birth of Christ.
    I thought Santa was derived from Saint Nicholas, "Santa" being the Spanish form of "Saint"?
    The "Santa means Satan!" line sounds like Protestant drivel
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 08:13:14 PM »
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  • I thought Santa was derived from Saint Nicholas, "Santa" being the Spanish form of "Saint"?
    The "Santa means Satan!" line sounds like Protestant drivel
    The real Saint Nicholas did not go from house-to-house, down through chimneys dressed in a red suit to leave toys for all the good girls and good boys. The memory of the real Saint Nicholas has been warped and twisted to remove any semblance of Christianity away from Christmas and also, of course, for financial profit. 

    This is because there's much less money to be made by trying to get the masses of people to focus on the true meaning of Christmas (the birth of Christ). If most people did that, then they would be much more content with much less and thus much happier than they are when they buy into the whole gift-giving nonsense. But that would mean much less profit for those who sell the false Saint Nicholas so the corporations/businesses stress gift-giving for that obvious reason.  I don't fall for it. 

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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #4 on: November 28, 2021, 08:28:15 PM »
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  • The "Santa means Satan!" line sounds like Protestant drivel
    When speaking the Spanish language (or Italian or Latin languages), the word "Santa" is fine because it does, in fact, mean "Saint." And there are other words in those languages for satan/the Devil. I know that in the Spanish language they use the word "diabolo" for the devil/satan. 

     However, when speaking English, the term "Santa" does not in any way, shape or form (especially its use in today's secular culture) reflect any of the reverence it does in the aforementioned languages. When praying the rosary in Latin, we say "Santa Maria" because, in Latin, it means something completely different (it's something wonderful).

    When it's used in English, it means anything but "saint." Can anyone honestly look at a picture of a typical Santa Claus and associate the word "Santa" with "saint" in the English language? I tried for years but know I cannot. 


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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #5 on: November 28, 2021, 08:40:53 PM »
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  • Santa Claus means "Satan's claws"

    A house in my neighborhood has year round a statue of Santa Claus out front bareheaded, with his hat in his hand kneeling before the baby Jesus in a manger praying.
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #6 on: November 28, 2021, 09:13:43 PM »
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  • When it's used in English, it means anything but "saint." Can anyone honestly look at a picture of a typical Santa Claus and associate the word "Santa" with "saint" in the English language? I tried for years but know I cannot.
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
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  • 19 Little-Remembered Facts About St. Nicholas
    St. Nicholas, one of the one endearing saints revered by Western and Eastern rite Catholics and Orthodox, has many fascinating facts connected to his life that we should be aware of to keep Christmas in our heart throughout the year.
    Father Joseph Marquis in one of his portrayals of St. Nicholas and Santa title=Father Joseph Marquis in one of his portrayals of St. Nicholas and SantaFather Joseph Marquis in one of his portrayals of St. Nicholas and Santa (photo: Andy Greenwell)
    Joseph Pronechen BlogsDecember 6, 2016
    Father Joseph Marquis has portrayed St. Nicholas (and Santa) for over 45 years and founded the St. Nicholas Institute. Father Marquis is a wealth of facts, from familiar to forgotten — like these 19 facts that can help us celebrate St. Nicholas better and appreciate his makeover into Santa. (By the way, Father Marquis will be on EWTN on At Home with Jim and Joy on Dec. 19.)
    1. The saint’s name Nicholas is of Greek origin and means “victor of people.”
    2. Nicholas was born in Patara in A.D. 270 and served as Bishop of Myra, both seaport towns off Turkey’s southern coast where he lived all his life (and died in 345).
    St. Paul passed through them on his way to stand trial in Rome, as St. Luke records that “crossing the open sea off the coast of Cilicia and Pamphylia, we came to Myra in Lycia” (Acts of the Apostles 27:4-5).

    3. His remains ended up in another seaport town — Bari, in the heel of Italy’s boot. The Feast of the Translation of the Holy Relics St. Nicholas from Myra to Bari in 1087 is celebrated in Italy to this day on May 9 in the basilica there built as a shrine to him and completed in 1089.
    But Venetian sailors who really stole the bones of Nicholas from his tomb in Myra then left behind some fragments, and in 1100 went back to Myra to collect the remaining fragments. Those fragments are enshrined in the church of St. Nicholas on the Lido, Venice, Italy.
    4. A pure liquid known as the Manna of St. Nicholas (or St. Nicholas Manna) has flowed from his bones for 17 centuries. Each May 9th on the Feast of the Translation of the Relics of St. Nicholas, a Dominican priest siphons the manna of St. Nicholas into a glass vial. The manna is traditionally used to bless the Christian faithful.
    5. When Nicholas was born, his parents were serving the needs of the sick. They contracted the same disease as the sick and died. Being the only child, he inherited everything. Father Marquis says St. Nicholas is the first of the saints you can consider a philanthropist in the way he designated his wealth to be used for certain things at certain times. One way is next.

    6. St. Nicholas’s anonymous gift-giving originated in his hometown of Patara in Turkey.  According to ancient tradition, to deliver a destitute family of a widower father and his three daughters, who their father was considering to sell into slavery, out of dire poverty, the young Nicholas secretly threw three bags of gold coins through their window on three consecutive nights.
    His anonymous nocturnal gift-giving has continued in many countries to today, including being translated into Santa’s visits.
    7. The sometimes till used symbol of three gold balls at a pawn brokers’ shops echo this compassionate act. Surprisingly, St. Nicholas is considered the patron saint of pawnbrokers.
    8. Saint Nicholas’s compassion for the poor, marginalized and, in particular, children, and especially providing aid anonymously to those in greatest need, became so legendary that it never faded over the centuries, but inspired others, and was imitated especially around Christmas in many countries.

    He got to be Santa Claus thanks to a corruption of the Dutch way of referring to him as “Sinterklaas.” The Dutch brought “Sinterklaas” with them to North America in 1621 when they founded New Amsterdam on the tip of Manhattan. English speaking settlers later corrupted the name, which evolved into “Santa Claus.”
    9. St. Nicholas is sometimes referred to as the “boy bishop” because he was consecrated Bishop of Myra at the tender age of 30.
    10. He was one of the 318 bishops participating in the Council of Nicaea, the First Ecuмenical Council of the Church, in A.D. 325. The main purpose was to resolve confusion over the nature of the Son in his relationship to the Father caused by the Arian heresy. The Council of Nicaea formulated the Nicene Creed which outlines basic Christian belief that the Son is “consubstantial” with the Father — the Creed we pray at Sunday Mass to this day.
    11. There were times when Nicholas was not hidden or anonymous in helping the afflicted and those suffering unjustly. There are records of him intervening to save three men falsely condemned to be executed by a corrupt magistrate who accepted a bribe. Fearlessly, Nicholas walked up to the executioner and grabbed the sword from his hand. Hence, he was a protector of the innocent.

    12. The inspiration of St. Nicholas led French nuns during the Middle Ages to start the tradition of bringing anonymous gifts under the cover of night to needy families and their children on Dec. 5, St. Nicholas Eve. The next morning, the feast of St. Nicholas, the poor families would wake to discover food, clothing, food treats and some modest money assistance.
    When the poor tried to find out who their benefactor was, they got the answer, “It must have been St. Nicholas.”
    St. Nicholas’s simple act of anonymously delivering those three bags of gold coins that night long ago became an annual tradition that spread rapidly throughout Christian Europe. Since the beloved bishop Nicholas was the Patron Saint of Children, the gifts weren’t limited to the poor, but included good girls and boys.
    13. Oranges, a popular treat as a stocking filler even in North America into the later part of the 20th century, was traditionally given by Sinterklaas to children in Holland. The oranges recall the three round purses containing gold coins St. Nicholas threw into the window of the destitute family on those three consecutive nights to deliver them from poverty.

    14. The same event was recalled in the chocolate coins wrapped in gold foil that were given to children and still can be seen today in North America.
    15. Candy canes have been a staple in America and are associated Santa Claus. Why? They really derive from the crozier, the bishop’s staff, of Sinterklaas, or St. Nicholas.
    16. We shouldn’t forget that St. Nicholas spent seven long, hard years, tortured and imprisoned for his faith in Christ under the Diocletian Persecution, until the first Christian emperor, Constantine issued the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313 that gave religious liberty to all Christians.
    17. How did St. Nicholas get to Western Europe in the first place? The Emperor of Constantinople’s niece Princess Theophano is considered by historians to be the person most responsible for bringing St. Nicholas to the heart of the Western Roman Empire. She brought a mosaic icon of St. Nicholas for her future husband, Emperor Otto II, as a wedding gift when they were married by Pope John XIII on Apr. 14, 972, in old Saint Peter’s Basilica, Rome.

    The holy icon of St. Nicholas that she brought with her for the gift is now kept at St. Johann Baptist Church in Burtscheid, Aachen, Germany.
    18. Father Marquis shares two ideas from all this about St. Nicholas that we also need to remember.
    The First wonderful reminder is that while the “Christmas Spirit is commonly associated with St. Nicholas, Christians should recognize that the Spirit of Christmas is actually the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity: the Holy Spirit. Because a humble maiden in Nazareth was open to the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit, “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us” (John 1:14); a reality that was proclaimed by “a multitude of the heavenly host” (Lk. 2:13) on that first Christmas.”
    19. Second, Father Marquis adds that “Faith-filled ‘St. Nicholases’ and ‘Santa Clauses’ should recognize that we too must be open to the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit in order that God may take on a human nature within each one of us who have been ‘clothed with Christ’ (Galatians 3:27) at Baptism: ‘No one has ever seen God. But if we love each other, God lives in us, and his love is brought to full expression in us’ ( 1 John 4:12).

    He concludes, “May the self-same Holy Spirit, Who animated the life of the historic figure of St. Nicholas of Myra, illuminate the hearts of all ‘St. Nicks’ who are also called to reveal the same hope, joy, peace and love to a despairing world: ‘Let your light shine before others that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven’ (Matthew 5:16).


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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
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  • St. Nicholas Prayers
    Prayer of St. Nicholas:
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    God of joy and cheer,
    we thank you for your servant,
    the good bishop Nicholas. In loving the poor,
    he showed us your kindness; in caring for your children,
    he revealed your love.
    Make us thoughtful
    without need of reward
    so that we, too, may be good followers of Jesus.
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    God, we pray that through the intercessions of St. Nicholas
    you will guide and protect our children.
    Keep them safe from all harm and help them grow
    to become loving disciples of Jesus in your sight.
    Give them strength to always mature into deeper faith in you,
    and to keep alive joy in your creation.
    Through Jesus Christ Our Lord. Amen.
    —by Father David R. Engbarth, St. Nicholas Church, Aurora, Illinois

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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2021, 10:46:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: DigitalLogos 11/28/2021, 7:56:09 PM
    I thought Santa was derived from Saint Nicholas, "Santa" being the Spanish form of "Saint"?
    The "Santa means Satan!" line sounds like Protestant drivel

    Thank you for adding some sanity in this thread.

    1. Santa Klaus comes from "Sinterklaas" which is Dutch. See the article posted above:

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    Saint Nicholas ... was imitated especially around Christmas in many countries. He got to be Santa Claus thanks to a corruption of the Dutch way of referring to him as “Sinterklaas.” The Dutch brought “Sinterklaas” with them to North America in 1621 when they founded New Amsterdam on the tip of Manhattan. English speaking settlers later corrupted the name, which evolved into “Santa Claus.”


    2. "Santa equals satan" IS protestant drivel. It is something ONLY a monoglot -- a person who speaks just one language -- could say. "Santa" means holy or saint in Latin languages (Latin, Italian, Spanish). Talk about Anglo-centric!

    3. Thinking the closest-looking ROMAN letter used in ENGLISH (T or t) should be used to represent Christ, again, shows a painful ignorance of Greek and where the Church came from. The Church wasn't founded by Americans, in English, or here in America -- I got news for you. I bet you don't know what that X and P mean either: those overlapping X and P letters that you see on all the Tridentine priest's vestments (the Chasuble in particular). Do you think that's an abbreviation for Windows XP, eXPerience, or something like that? hahaha

    I'll help you out: Google "CHI RHO".
    • a monogram of chi (Χ) and rho (Ρ) as the first two letters of Greek Khristos Christ, used as a Christian symbol.


    The popular portrayal of "Santa Claus" (fat, married, jolly old man who drives a sleigh, etc.) was invented by the Coca-Cola corporation almost a century ago. That character is no saint and no hero, but let's not advertise our ignorance to the world by being unaware of the above facts. Even if some member(s) in this thread are young and ignorant -- there's supposed to be Google, right? Isn't that your jam? Your thing? Isn't the Internet supposed to put a world of information at our fingertips? A quick search and you can learn so many facts. How lazy do you have to be, really, to refuse to do even that?
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
    « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2021, 11:14:32 PM »
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  • The first big step to take Christ out of Christmas began with Santa Claus. Santa is Satan spelled inside-out and Santa wears the color that is traditionally associated with Satan (red).

    The next big step was to write Christmas as XMas. X takes the Christ out of Christmas as well and to those who try to explain it away by saying that X is just an abbreviation, it isn't. If it was meant to be an abbreviation, it would be a T or a t (to represent the Cross) instead of an X (which is just a way to disassociate Christ with Christmas.

    That's why I hate Santa Claus and the entire secularization of Christmas. It was done to stress consumerism instead of celebrating the birth of Christ.

    See my above post.

    1. The world doesn't revolve around English. English anagrams mean nothing, since English hasn't been around that long. Especially when applied to persons/places/things in the ancient world. As a matter of fact, you're thinking of LATIN. The devil hates it. The Church spoke it and standardized on it for centuries. If there were a "one universal language" that had all kinds of cosmic or religious significance, it would be Latin. Exorcisms have the most effect in Latin. In religious matters, English is in about the same class as Swahili. I have proof of that assertion. English entered the Sanctuary at the same time as every other vulgar tongue: after Vatican II. It doesn't have the religious, venerable background of Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, Old Slavonic, or any other language used in the Liturgy of the True Religion worldwide from Abraham to the present day. And no, the Church of England doesn't count! They are schismatic heretics.

    2. The priest wears red too -- on Pentecost and on ALL feasts involving an Apostle or just a Martyr. And Cardinals in the Catholic Church wear red. So what of it?

    3. Google "Chi Rho" and learn something.

    4. You are correct that Christmas has been secularized, and that the Coca-Cola "Santa Claus" we know today, seen in shopping malls from sea to shining sea, is an abomination. And that they want to replace Christ with other focuses/activities.


    I don't mean to be harsh, but ignorance -- especially Protestant propaganda -- really annoys me. Pointing to a bunch of protestant heretics and seconding all their drivel, just because we both agree that "the modern, Coca-Cola Santa Claus is bad" is just dumb. We don't need the protestants, their heresy, and certainly not their ignorance.

    We Catholics have plenty of facts and basis from which to attack the modern Santa Claus without resorting to the protestants, or any other group on the road to hell.
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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
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  • Thank you Matthew for backing up my plea for sanity with good information.

    You don't have to like Santa Claus, or utilize his image at all for Christmas, but repeating superstitious Protestant talking points is just stupid and unworthy of Catholics.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Secular Christmas Songs created to remove Jesus from Christmas
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  • No such thing as an Insanity Clause. If thou knowest thy Groucho and Chico.

    It is only Nov 29 and I am already tired of the nonsense. I have to put with it because of older sister and her N Oisms. 

    I am glad though to be home bound. I HATE being in any store at this time of year. 
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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  • the vast majority of American Christmas songs were created by Jєωιѕн songwriters with the confessed purpose of de-Christianizing Christmas.
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    I absolutely HATE that garbage.

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    The real Saint Nicholas did not go from house-to-house, down through chimneys dressed in a red suit to leave toys for all the good girls and good boys.
    The red suit comes from the red robe worn by Bishops.  The idea of anonymous gift giving is explained in Nadir's post, point #6.  St Nicholas performed many, many miracles during his life (he even brought back 3 boys from the dead, who were murdered), many of which were related to children.  Of course our modern age has corrupted his memory but the origins of him associated with Christmas are very Catholic and very real.