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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2022, 11:15:05 AM »

Praise God Wisconsin is hostile to baby murder. Now we just need to eject this worthless lib governor 

Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2022, 11:22:33 AM »
Alito's claim that there's no mention of abortion (one way or the other) in the Constitution
It's true "the Constitution makes no mention of abortion" (p. 1 of the draft).
p. 2: Roe itself "acknowledged that States had a legitimate interest in protecting 'potential life'".

Explodes the arbitrariness of Roe viability criterion:
pp. 47-48:
Quote from: Alito
even if one takes the view that “personhood” begins when a certain attribute or combination of attributes is acquired, it is very hard to see why viability should mark the point where “personhood” begins. […] according to Roe’s logic, States now have a compelling interest in protecting a fetus with a gestational age of, say, 26 weeks, but in 1973 States did not have an interest in protecting an identical fetus. How can that be?


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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2022, 11:32:19 AM »
It's true "the Constitution makes no mention of abortion" (p. 1 of the draft).

No, it's not.  Constitution mentions the right to life.  Issue is that the court needs to interpret life as extending to the pre-born.  Only way in which the Constution doesn't preclude abortion is if you exclude pre-born infants from life; otherwise, the states would have no authority to legislate away life.

Alito's wording is an absolutely disaster.  It implicitly states that pre-born human life is something other than the "life" protected by the Constitution.

Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2022, 12:30:17 PM »
Constitution mentions the right to life.
That's true, too.
It mentions the right to life of the born and unborn ("Posterity Clause" in the Preamble: "…secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"), but does not mention a right to abortion.

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2022, 01:01:14 PM »
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Yes, the states are kindof like independent nations ... except for the fact that they formed a union based on a Constitution that binds them all, and that Constitution protects the Right to Life (among other things), that right being the first inalienable right granted by God and not by the Constitution itself.

Alito's claim that there's no mention of abortion (one way or the other) in the Constitution is incredibly dangerous, in that it implies that abortion doesn't fall under the category of Right to Life, and that therefore an unborn child is not Life under the Constitution.  This opens the door to various states legislating what "life" is, to the point that the next steps are to claim that people who are in "vegetative state" are not "life" (like Terri Schiavo) or that people who are mentally retarded to the point of not being functional are not "life".  If the states are left to determine what life means, then the Satanic blue states are just a hair's breadth away from euthanasia and eugenic murder.

So, between the fact that Alito claims there's not inherent protection for unborn children in the Constitution (false) and the fact that he asserts that the federal union has no role in regulating abortion (thus precluding federal laws being able to trump state laws permitting abortion), this is an incredibly harmful ruling that does more damage long term to Pro Life than if it hadn't been made and if the current progress of states gradually making abortion (effectively) illegal had been allowed to continue as is.
All of these dangerous implications that Alito makes are ALREADY today a reality.  There's no new evils from this ruling.  They already exist today.

a) Abortion rights ignore the constitutional right to life.  This has been ignored for the last 50 years.
b) "no mention of abortion in constitution" = RoeVwade wasn't approved based on this, so this is nothing new.
c) An unborn child hasn't been considered life, ever.  Especially not for the last 50 years.
d) Terri S and the battle against euthanasia has been going on for a while now; nothing new.

No states have been abortion effectively illegal.  Have they put restrictions on it?  Absolutely.  And that will not be impeded by this ruling.

I think many of you have PTSD and think that nothing good can happen in the world.  And/or you think that the elites have so much control that everything that happens is a "trick" to beat the good guys.  This is true to some extent, but not to the extent that your fear is projecting.  We are catholics, not defeatists!  God is still in control; prayers can move mountains.