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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2022, 07:35:01 AM »
I see where Lad is coming from but I guess I see this principle of the federal government being obligated to protect rights as having led to more harm than good at the end of the day.  At the end of the day the United States was better when it was essentially an alliance of relatively independent states who were able to make their own domestic policies.  On similar grounds I support the confederacy in the cινιℓ ωαr despite not being pro slavery, I think plessy was more correct than brown v board, rhe 14th amendment was a bad idea, etc 

Now of course the social compact is broken so meh, idk, but yeah, I do think what if any laws to pass against murder is a state issue constitutionally 

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2022, 08:03:24 AM »
Yes, the states are kindof like independent nations ... except for the fact that they formed a union based on a Constitution that binds them all, and that Constitution protects the Right to Life (among other things), that right being the first inalienable right granted by God and not by the Constitution itself.

Alito's claim that there's no mention of abortion (one way or the other) in the Constitution is incredibly dangerous, in that it implies that abortion doesn't fall under the category of Right to Life, and that therefore an unborn child is not Life under the Constitution.  This opens the door to various states legislating what "life" is, to the point that the next steps are to claim that people who are in "vegetative state" are not "life" (like Terri Schiavo) or that people who are mentally retarded to the point of not being functional are not "life".  If the states are left to determine what life means, then the Satanic blue states are just a hair's breadth away from euthanasia and eugenic murder.

So, between the fact that Alito claims there's not inherent protection for unborn children in the Constitution (false) and the fact that he asserts that the federal union has no role in regulating abortion (thus precluding federal laws being able to trump state laws permitting abortion), this is an incredibly harmful ruling that does more damage long term to Pro Life than if it hadn't been made and if the current progress of states gradually making abortion (effectively) illegal had been allowed to continue as is.

This is to say nothing of the fact that in the practical order this is going to energize the Satanic Left to the point that they'll expand abortion in the Blue States, and the moderate states that may have been "thinking about" passing anti-abortion legislation are gong to be cowed and intimidated by the Left.  If any "on the fence" politician is thinking about voting for it, they'll be attacked politically, economically, and perhaps even physically ... so that they'll be much less inclined to come off the fence on the right side.

This is very clear to me, and I don't understand why others don't see it ... except due to the emotional baggage attached to "Roe" over the years that's causing an emotional celebration.  Please engage intellect before allowing yourself to be carried away with emotion.


Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2022, 09:18:02 AM »
Unfortunately, the definition of when life begins ( the right to life in the constitution) doesn't seem to matter anymore. They want the right to kill life, period. They don't care about conception, heartbeats, viability or any parameters. If they are killing one month old infants legally in Colorado, a life provision isn't going to matter. They don't care when life begins- they just want the legal right to kill. We have passed that Rubicon.

It's got to be banned or it isn't by the states. That is where this is. I 'm actually afraid that passing a human life amendment might have little effect now.

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2022, 11:00:06 AM »
Unfortunately, the definition of when life begins ( the right to life in the constitution) doesn't seem to matter anymore. They want the right to kill life, period. They don't care about conception, heartbeats, viability or any parameters. If they are killing one month old infants legally in Colorado, a life provision isn't going to matter. They don't care when life begins- they just want the legal right to kill. We have passed that Rubicon.

It's got to be banned or it isn't by the states. That is where this is. I 'm actually afraid that passing a human life amendment might have little effect now.

Yes, the prospect of a federal law were slim anyway.  Over time, perhaps, if enough states banned it (and they were already doing so), perhaps enough of them could pressure toward a federal law.  At least the federal laws, however, could restrict abortion somehow ... like no partial birth, putting all kinds of regulatory pressure on abortion clinics, no infanticide, etc.  But this ruling, if the wording stands, would allow the states to contest any restrictions on abortion, well, because Alito says this belongs with the states and their representative.  So I fear that the Blue State laws are going to get worse.  And now that the Left has been energized, the moderate states will be pressured in all kinds of ways not to regulate abortion.

As I said, the only way this problem will go away is when the Church is restored through the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  Until then, it's about fighting individual battles.

Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2022, 11:08:31 AM »