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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2022, 08:06:43 PM »
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  • People are dying from the jab. The jab has caused miscarriages, infertility and way low sperm count.  Then then there are others who are having sex surgeries.   
    Maybe in the future no one will be able to have children.   

    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #76 on: June 25, 2022, 08:07:54 PM »
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  • It's quite needed to offset the delirious "hopium" that the powers that be use to manipulate the masses (cf. Donald "drain the swamp" and "lock her up ... Clintons are good people" Trump, Q, the Kraken, and on and on and on).  They use this stuff against us.

    There can be no optimism until FIRST the Catholic Church is restored, the consecration of Russia properly performed by a legitimate Catholic pope, and Our Lady's Immaculate Heart triumphs.  But you speak of pessimism when you think that the Church is basically finished and we are in the time of Antichrist an there will be no final triumph of the Church and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  Make up your mind.

    OK, perhaps a number of babies will be born who otherwise may have been aborted (except that I suspect women will just double down on ensuring that they're on the proper contraceptives), but they're being born into a world where their damnation is all but certain given the decay of society ... again, until the Church is restored and Our Lady's Immaculate Heart triumphs.
    You're closer to despair than I am. If there's a chance for life, there's hope that they can be saved. And how can I make up my mind on where we are during this whole great drama of God's Providence? I never definitively said there will be no triumph, I never definitively said Antichrist has come, just that one theory was compelling...but I'm also not going to believe the exaggerated Grunerite reading of it to give me false hope that keeps me looking at the false Novus Ordo church as if that's where it will come. Talk about "hopium"...

    So we just let the enemy continue to have unrestricted access to Moloch worship because their "damnation is all but certain"? Give me a break. You're literally advocating for the continuation of unbaptised souls falling into hell. Every victory, no matter how small, is a victory for God. If this saves even 1000 souls, and one of those becomes a Saint, that is a supreme victory.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #77 on: June 25, 2022, 08:11:43 PM »
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  • You're closer to despair than I am. If there's a chance for life, there's hope that they can be saved. And how can I make up my mind on where we are during this whole great drama of God's Providence? I never definitively said there will be no triumph, I never definitively said Antichrist has come, just that one theory was compelling...but I'm also not going to believe the exaggerated Grunerite reading of it to give me false hope that keeps me looking at the false Novus Ordo church as if that's where it will come. Talk about "hopium"...

    So we just let the enemy continue to have unrestricted access to Moloch worship because their "damnation is all but certain"? Give me a break. You're literally advocating for the continuation of unbaptised souls falling into hell. Every victory, no matter how small, is a victory for God. If this saves even 1000 souls, and one of those becomes a Saint, that is a supreme victory.
    Yes. Victory for God!
    May God bless you and keep you

    Offline Gloria Tibi Domine

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #78 on: June 25, 2022, 08:30:01 PM »
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  • While the recent ruling will save lives, it did not resolve the problem or controversy surrounding abortion. All this ruling did is send the debate over abortion back to the states to decide for themselves whether to legalize it or not. This implicitly gives the appearance that abortion has a kind of legitimacy from somewhere in the Constitution. If the court thought abortion is not a legal right protected by the Constitution, it would have ruled against abortion based on the protection afforded innocent human life in the Constitution. This recent ruling by the Supreme Court is at best a partial and temporary win, one step forward and two steps back. The implications of the highest court in the land failing to condemn outright abortion, with the firm statement that the procedure results in murder, is a horror and nightmare in itself. Thats not pessimistic. Thats reality.
    Look at this flimsy ruling based on the imaginary right to murder in private. Language was needed in the recent ruling to convict this ruling below for what it is- a gross manipulation and abuse of the Constitution.

    On Jan 22, 1973, the Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision, struck down the Texas law banning abortion, effectively legalizing the procedure nationwide. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry Blackmun, the court declared that a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected by the 14th Amendment.
    The court divided pregnancy into three trimesters, and declared that the choice to end a pregnancy in the first trimester was solely up to the woman. In the second trimester, the government could regulate abortion, although not ban it, in order to protect the mother’s health.

    In the third trimester, the state could prohibit abortion to protect a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb, except when a woman’s health was in danger.



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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #79 on: June 27, 2022, 05:07:10 AM »
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  • But you speak of pessimism when you think that the Church is basically finished and we are in the time of Antichrist an there will be no final triumph of the Church and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.  Make up your mind.
    Will the second coming of Jesus Christ not be a final triumph of the Church, His Mystical Body? Or do we have to long for a worldy triumph, with a Great Monarch and a worldy kingdom, as the Jєωs longed for the Messiah to bring them a worldly kingdom? It is ridiculous to call DL pessimistic for not being as convinced as you are about a private revelation, which could be interpreted in many different ways.
    "Know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God." (James 4:4)


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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #80 on: June 27, 2022, 07:13:29 AM »
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  • Will the second coming of Jesus Christ not be a final triumph of the Church, His Mystical Body? Or do we have to long for a worldy triumph, with a Great Monarch and a worldy kingdom, as the Jєωs longed for the Messiah to bring them a worldly kingdom? It is ridiculous to call DL pessimistic for not being as convinced as you are about a private revelation, which could be interpreted in many different ways.

    False dichotomy.  Triumph of the Church isn't a "worldly triumph" but the triumph of the Kingdom of God in this world (the Church Militant).  This sounds like the Prots who attack the Church after Constantine for having become too "worldly" and therefore corrupt.  This Reign of Christ the King isn't just something we hope for after the consummation of the world, and it's absurd to liken this to the Jєωιѕн vision of the Messiah.  We work for and desire the Reign of Christ the King in THIS world, not just in the New Jerusalem.

    DL, with the Dimonds, is inclined to believe that it's all over for the Church (except for the remnant) but then accuses others of "pessimism" for not believing that this Dobbs decision represents some lesser "triumph" for God.  I believe (and the preponderance of credible Catholic prophecy agrees) that there will be a Triumph of the Church and of the Immaculate Heart of Mary before the time of the final Antichrist.  But I also believe that this is not it, and it will not be it, until the Church is first restores and Triumphs.  Until then, these are all tactical maneuvers by the enemy.

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #81 on: June 27, 2022, 07:41:05 AM »
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  • False dichotomy.  Triumph of the Church isn't a "worldly triumph" but the triumph of the Kingdom of God in this world (the Church Militant).  This sounds like the Prots who attack the Church after Constantine for having become too "worldly" and therefore corrupt.  This Reign of Christ the King isn't just something we hope for after the consummation of the world, and it's absurd to liken this to the Jєωιѕн vision of the Messiah.  We work for and desire the Reign of Christ the King in THIS world, not just in the New Jerusalem.

    DL, with the Dimonds, is inclined to believe that it's all over for the Church (except for the remnant) but then accuses others of "pessimism" for not believing that this Dobbs decision represents some lesser "triumph" for God.  I believe (and the preponderance of credible Catholic prophecy agrees) that there will be a Triumph of the Church and of the Immaculate Heart of Mary before the time of the final Antichrist.  But I also believe that this is not it, and it will not be it, until the Church is first restores and Triumphs.  Until then, these are all tactical maneuvers by the enemy.
    I never said that. I've been pretty clear that there's credibility to the exegesis of Berry and Kramer on what occurs after Antichrist, which is a peace and triumph of the Church Militant before the last battle of Gog and Magog and the Last Judgment

    https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/the-great-monarch-arrives-in-china)!/msg831380/#msg831380
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #82 on: June 27, 2022, 09:44:25 AM »
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  • Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #83 on: July 08, 2022, 12:59:17 PM »
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  • Simeon posted this on another thread.  It's EXACTLY the point I've been trying to make.

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    From Randy Engel:

     
    Summary Statement:
     
    Hi Everyone – When the Supreme Court stated that “the right to abortion” aka “the right to kill unborn children” is not a Constitutional right that was good.
     
    Unfortunately, its recent States Rights position is in error.
     
    The original prolife movement opposed the States Rights position in favor of a Personhood Constitutional Human Life Amendment. The question “to kill or not to kill” should not be a matter of geography. This was the official position also of the Catholic Cardinals. Cardinal Medeiros made that statement at the Congressional hearings long ago. However, the bureaucrats at the NCCB/USCC undermined that position and worked secretly to promote States Rights under Bishop McHugh.
     
    Under Dobbs, States Rights on Abortion is now enshrined law. Port states aka NY, Miami etc. where most surgical abortions are carried out, will be free to kill under Dobbs.  Thus, the Supreme Court does not protect unborn children per se, but only those unborn children who live in states where abortion is regulated and/or prohibited.
     
    The American bishops as a whole, via the NCCB/USCC, sold out the Prolife Movement years ago. 
     
    Now it appears that many prolife leaders have also sold out the unborn child.
     
    To date I have not heard a word from any acting bishop regarding a Constitutional Human Life Amendment .
     
    Most prolife leaders are likewise silent on the Constitutional Amendment.
     
    Isn’t it time for a reality check? Randy
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    Comments welcome – pro and con

    Key point I've been making is in the bold above.

    So, take THAT, all you who have been ripping me to shreds over this thread.

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #84 on: July 08, 2022, 01:02:19 PM »
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  • And the need to get a Constitutional Human Life Amendment would not even have been necessary had SCOTUS worded the ruling differently.  SCOTUS could/should have affirmed that pre-born life IS life that's protected by the Right to Life in the Constitution.

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #85 on: July 08, 2022, 01:36:44 PM »
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  • I am beginning to think we got played. Pushing the issue back to States and sticking up for the true "right to life", means that this country will always have the stain of abortion. Pretty much let the air out of the national right to life movement and make it difficult for a State level grass roots opposition. SCOTUS should have said that all the unborn are equally protected.

    However, it did help curtail other important issues, like Gun Control. 


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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #86 on: July 08, 2022, 01:43:19 PM »
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  • But it's not merely tolerating abortion in some states.  It is actively laying out the principle that the states have the right to keep abortion legal and that the federal government can not stop them.  That is incredibly dangerous and does more harm than good.

    ALREADY before this ruling, the states were allowed to pass anti-abortion legislation (Texas and others) that effectively outlawed abortion.  So then what does this ruling do on top of that?  Nothing, even from a practical perspective.  Really the only thing it accomplishes is to enshrine the principle that states can legalize abortion all they want.

    It's an unmitigated disaster for the Pro Life movement.  This absolutely undercuts Pro Life going forward, the the Pro Lifers are being duped into thinking this is a great victory.  These evil Satanists are quite clever.

    It is the textbook double-edged sword, and the Pro Life movement is going to be hacked up by the back edge of this thing.  Mark my words.  Before when states were methodically going one by one to outlaw abortion, they had the single-edged sword working for them as they were constantly cutting away in the direction of curtailing abortion.  Now the SCOTUS is making the sword double-edged so that the Satanic Leftist states will use the other edge of the sword to promote abortion even more.  Before there was hope that over time enough states could make abortion illegal to be able to pressure there to be federal laws against it.  But this SCOTUS ruling absolutely torpedos that.
    You're right, it could lead to that, but if it doesn't, it's a major win for us.

    I'm not rejoicing too much over the fall of Roe because that's how you become complacent. We can rejoice when abortion is banned completely, until then the war is on, and the leftists are not going to keel over for us.

    I'm a bit surprised more people aren't taking this more cautious view considering y'all rightly believe Jєωs run the world, don't you think they'd rather αssαssιnαtҽ Alito than take a supposed devastating loss?

    I suspect Lad might be right and this is a calculated move.

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #87 on: July 08, 2022, 01:45:15 PM »
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    Under Dobbs, States Rights on Abortion is now enshrined law.
    They said the same thing about Roe...


    SCOTUS doesn't make laws; they interpret them.  Roe made abortion a federal "right" in absence of any federal law (i.e. the textbook example of creating a law out of thin air).  When SCOTUS overturned Roe and said it can't provide a Federal right, then it HAS to go back to the states because....there. is. no. federal. abortion. laws. on. the. books.

    SCOTUS doesn't/can't rule about possibilities/future events.  It rules about today.  And today, there's no federal law either providing or prohibiting abortion...thus, it's a state issue.

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #88 on: July 08, 2022, 01:51:55 PM »
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  • All of these dangerous implications that Alito makes are ALREADY today a reality.  There's no new evils from this ruling.  They already exist today.

    a) Abortion rights ignore the constitutional right to life.  This has been ignored for the last 50 years.
    b) "no mention of abortion in constitution" = RoeVwade wasn't approved based on this, so this is nothing new.
    c) An unborn child hasn't been considered life, ever.  Especially not for the last 50 years.
    d) Terri S and the battle against euthanasia has been going on for a while now; nothing new.

    No states have been abortion effectively illegal.  Have they put restrictions on it?  Absolutely.  And that will not be impeded by this ruling.

    I think many of you have PTSD and think that nothing good can happen in the world.  And/or you think that the elites have so much control that everything that happens is a "trick" to beat the good guys.  This is true to some extent, but not to the extent that your fear is projecting.  We are catholics, not defeatists!  God is still in control; prayers can move mountains.
    Hmmm, you're right. Do the Jєωs really need to make a precedent of law with this so they can further their agenda? No! They invented Roe v. Wade out of thin air and they can do it again.

    Now that I think about it, I believe the fall of Roe is an unequivocal victory.

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #89 on: July 08, 2022, 01:56:33 PM »
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  • PRAISE GOD FOR THE INVALID NOVUS ORDO "EUCHARIST". That way, the excommunicated pro-baby murder "Catholic" Sotomayor is not profaning the Sacred Body and Blood of Our Lord this Sunday.
    Wholeheartedly agree. How much more chastisement would be in store for us if every NO "sacrilege" was an actual sacrilege? We should already have our hands full with making reparation.