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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2022, 04:21:20 PM »
The Left isn't the only side that can get riled up, and turn out to the polls on an issue like this.

Yes, if Beto wins the race for Governor in Texas, we could have issues. But Conservatives know what's at stake, as well as Liberals. So BOTH sides will likely turn out in droves this November.
If Beto steals the election, they must refuse to certify it even if it means the Jezebel trannies "storm the capitol". I will consider Greg Abbott a government in exile, and we must support that one.

Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2022, 04:46:27 PM »
I threw this out there early on, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the proposed SCOTUS ruling (as appears in the leaked Alito draft) would be an unmitigated disaster for Pro Life.

With this ruling, which the Pro Life movement has emotionally lapped up as a great victory, unless it were reversed, there could never be federal law to prevent abortion.  By declaring that this issue belongs at the state level, the federal government can never interfere with the states' ability to LEGALIZE abortion.  We're already seeing a reaction among the Leftist states to make abortion more available ... from free abortion to setting up abortion "tourism," clinics on the border with adjacent states, proposed legislation to alllow abortion to be performed for residents of other states, etc.  I could see some of the states going hog wild so that, where abortion may have been illegal in the third trimester, or second, they're going to react in the other direction, taking advantage of their new SCOTUS-declared "rights" to legalize partial birth abortion and even infanticide.

This ruling is an unmitigated disaster and the naive Pro Lifers have rejoiced too soon.

And the Left (aka the Jєωs) have the apparatus to go state by state to legalize abortion even more than it has been.

PS ... I believe that there's a reason that God allowed most of the Leftists to live on the coasts of the country, California, Oregon, Washingon on the West Coast, New York and Massachussetts and New England in general on the East.  I fully believe that God will swallow that evil into the Ocean when the chastisement comes.

Idiotic:

There can be no nationwide abortion ban, so long as Roe v Wade affirms a constitutional protection of same.

Roe v Wade must first be stricken, before any such ban can be contemplated.

Furthermore, it is not within the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS to initiate such action, which properly belongs to Congress.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #47 on: June 24, 2022, 05:16:23 PM »
Idiotic:

There can be no nationwide abortion ban, so long as Roe v Wade affirms a constitutional protection of same.

Roe v Wade must first be stricken, before any such ban can be contemplated.

Furthermore, it is not within the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS to initiate such action, which properly belongs to Congress.

See response to your identical (and equally idiotic comment) on the other thread.  Declaring that pre-born life is protected by the Constitution is not to legislate.  As with your other comment, you clearly bumble and fumble and confuse the two.

In fact, the wording of this ruling (which you seem unable to comprehend) actively precludes any federal legislation to outlaw abortion nationwide.  They could do it, the same way that federal law makes marijuana illegal, but it would only be a token / symbolic thing as per this latest disastrously-worded ruling, they cannot actually impose it on any states.  So now this "overturn" would have to be overturned again before abortion could be struck down nationwide.  Alternatively, they could try for a Constitutional amendment, but there aren't enough states to make it stick, and of course the liberal states would refuse to comply or ratify it.

That may in fact be the ulterior agenda of this ruling, greasing the skids for a cινιℓ ωαr between the states.

Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #48 on: June 24, 2022, 05:23:52 PM »
See response to your identical (and equally idiotic comment) on the other thread.  Declaring that pre-born life is protected by the Constitution is not to legislate.  As with your other comment, you clearly bumble and fumble and confuse the two.

In fact, the wording of this ruling (which you seem unable to comprehend) actively precludes any federal legislation to outlaw abortion nationwide.  They could do it, the same way that federal law makes marijuana illegal, but it would only be a token / symbolic thing as per this latest disastrously-worded ruling, they cannot actually impose it on any states.

The SCOTUS can only rule upon the disputed constitutional issue before it (which was whether Dobbs represented a violation of the constitutional protection afforded in Roe).

Lad in his ignorance imagines the SCOTUS can go on to address other uncontested issues (effectively usurping the authority of congress).

What a dumbass.

You see, Lad (as a solipsist on everything from the shape of the earth, to a magisterium which has mistranslated “in voto” for 500 years, to the identity of the pope, to a fake Lucy, to a magisterium erring on BOD for 500 years, to “Pope” Siri, and on, and on, and on) cannot distinguish between the fantasies of his subjective defective intellect, and reality, and earnestly believes his delusions.

You read them at your peril...unless you still have common sense and two feet on the ground.

Meanwhile, normal people can/are rejoicing.

Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #49 on: June 24, 2022, 06:41:48 PM »
Well, the REAL "choice" is to declare abortion as unconstitutional owing to the Constitution declaring that all have a right to life.  So, yes, it is addressed, implicitly in the right to life.  Roe ruled that it was addressed implicitly in the "Right to Privacy".  So that's another reason why this legal ruling is a dangerous precedent.  If you hold that any rights not EXPLICITLY mentioned in the Constitution are not in fact rights, then there's a huge slippery slope.  At that point, the states are free to interpret "life" as they choose, so then they could, for instance, declare that someone in a "vegetative state" or mentally retarded, etc. do not have true "life".  States could then legislate away what "life" is.  At some point there needs to be a proper definition of "Life" for what right to life means.


It’s possible you may get such a definition in certain *states*, but you will *never* get a proper definition of life on the federal level. To me the smaller, more localized, and the closer government is to the people the better.