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Offline Integralism1234

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Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2022, 04:21:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on June 24, 2022, 12:14:45 PM
    The Left isn't the only side that can get riled up, and turn out to the polls on an issue like this.

    Yes, if Beto wins the race for Governor in Texas, we could have issues. But Conservatives know what's at stake, as well as Liberals. So BOTH sides will likely turn out in droves this November.
    If Beto steals the election, they must refuse to certify it even if it means the Jezebel trannies "storm the capitol". I will consider Greg Abbott a government in exile, and we must support that one.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #46 on: June 24, 2022, 04:46:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 04, 2022, 06:51:04 AM
    I threw this out there early on, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that the proposed SCOTUS ruling (as appears in the leaked Alito draft) would be an unmitigated disaster for Pro Life.

    With this ruling, which the Pro Life movement has emotionally lapped up as a great victory, unless it were reversed, there could never be federal law to prevent abortion.  By declaring that this issue belongs at the state level, the federal government can never interfere with the states' ability to LEGALIZE abortion.  We're already seeing a reaction among the Leftist states to make abortion more available ... from free abortion to setting up abortion "tourism," clinics on the border with adjacent states, proposed legislation to alllow abortion to be performed for residents of other states, etc.  I could see some of the states going hog wild so that, where abortion may have been illegal in the third trimester, or second, they're going to react in the other direction, taking advantage of their new SCOTUS-declared "rights" to legalize partial birth abortion and even infanticide.

    This ruling is an unmitigated disaster and the naive Pro Lifers have rejoiced too soon.

    And the Left (aka the Jєωs) have the apparatus to go state by state to legalize abortion even more than it has been.

    PS ... I believe that there's a reason that God allowed most of the Leftists to live on the coasts of the country, California, Oregon, Washingon on the West Coast, New York and Massachussetts and New England in general on the East.  I fully believe that God will swallow that evil into the Ocean when the chastisement comes.

    Idiotic:

    There can be no nationwide abortion ban, so long as Roe v Wade affirms a constitutional protection of same.

    Roe v Wade must first be stricken, before any such ban can be contemplated.

    Furthermore, it is not within the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS to initiate such action, which properly belongs to Congress.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #47 on: June 24, 2022, 05:16:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 24, 2022, 04:46:27 PM
    Idiotic:

    There can be no nationwide abortion ban, so long as Roe v Wade affirms a constitutional protection of same.

    Roe v Wade must first be stricken, before any such ban can be contemplated.

    Furthermore, it is not within the jurisdiction of the SCOTUS to initiate such action, which properly belongs to Congress.

    See response to your identical (and equally idiotic comment) on the other thread.  Declaring that pre-born life is protected by the Constitution is not to legislate.  As with your other comment, you clearly bumble and fumble and confuse the two.

    In fact, the wording of this ruling (which you seem unable to comprehend) actively precludes any federal legislation to outlaw abortion nationwide.  They could do it, the same way that federal law makes marijuana illegal, but it would only be a token / symbolic thing as per this latest disastrously-worded ruling, they cannot actually impose it on any states.  So now this "overturn" would have to be overturned again before abortion could be struck down nationwide.  Alternatively, they could try for a Constitutional amendment, but there aren't enough states to make it stick, and of course the liberal states would refuse to comply or ratify it.

    That may in fact be the ulterior agenda of this ruling, greasing the skids for a cινιℓ ωαr between the states.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #48 on: June 24, 2022, 05:23:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 24, 2022, 05:16:23 PM
    See response to your identical (and equally idiotic comment) on the other thread.  Declaring that pre-born life is protected by the Constitution is not to legislate.  As with your other comment, you clearly bumble and fumble and confuse the two.

    In fact, the wording of this ruling (which you seem unable to comprehend) actively precludes any federal legislation to outlaw abortion nationwide.  They could do it, the same way that federal law makes marijuana illegal, but it would only be a token / symbolic thing as per this latest disastrously-worded ruling, they cannot actually impose it on any states.

    The SCOTUS can only rule upon the disputed constitutional issue before it (which was whether Dobbs represented a violation of the constitutional protection afforded in Roe).

    Lad in his ignorance imagines the SCOTUS can go on to address other uncontested issues (effectively usurping the authority of congress).

    What a dumbass.

    You see, Lad (as a solipsist on everything from the shape of the earth, to a magisterium which has mistranslated “in voto” for 500 years, to the identity of the pope, to a fake Lucy, to a magisterium erring on BOD for 500 years, to “Pope” Siri, and on, and on, and on) cannot distinguish between the fantasies of his subjective defective intellect, and reality, and earnestly believes his delusions.

    You read them at your peril...unless you still have common sense and two feet on the ground.

    Meanwhile, normal people can/are rejoicing.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #49 on: June 24, 2022, 06:41:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 04, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
    Well, the REAL "choice" is to declare abortion as unconstitutional owing to the Constitution declaring that all have a right to life.  So, yes, it is addressed, implicitly in the right to life.  Roe ruled that it was addressed implicitly in the "Right to Privacy".  So that's another reason why this legal ruling is a dangerous precedent.  If you hold that any rights not EXPLICITLY mentioned in the Constitution are not in fact rights, then there's a huge slippery slope.  At that point, the states are free to interpret "life" as they choose, so then they could, for instance, declare that someone in a "vegetative state" or mentally retarded, etc. do not have true "life".  States could then legislate away what "life" is.  At some point there needs to be a proper definition of "Life" for what right to life means.


    It’s possible you may get such a definition in certain *states*, but you will *never* get a proper definition of life on the federal level. To me the smaller, more localized, and the closer government is to the people the better.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #50 on: June 24, 2022, 06:49:58 PM »
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    In fact, the wording of this ruling (which you seem unable to comprehend) actively precludes any federal legislation to outlaw abortion nationwide. 
    Please post some legal analysis that says this.  I've not read any.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #51 on: June 24, 2022, 06:56:32 PM »
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    • Mitch McConnell said a federal ban is possible.  I think he knows how laws work and what SCOTUS ruled on:

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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #52 on: June 24, 2022, 07:04:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 24, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
    Mitch McConnell said a federal ban is possible.  I think he knows how laws work and what SCOTUS ruled on:


    One of these threads needs to be locked.

    A federal ban is possible.  Its called a constitutional ammendment.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #53 on: June 25, 2022, 05:07:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on June 24, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
    One of these threads needs to be locked.

    A federal ban is possible.  Its called a constitutional ammendment.
    They can pass a federal ban by simple law.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #54 on: June 25, 2022, 08:28:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: epiphany on June 24, 2022, 07:04:11 PM
    One of these threads needs to be locked.

    A federal ban is possible.  Its called a constitutional ammendment.

    Yeah, Constitutional Amendment is the only way, short of overturning this overturning, to outlaw abortion across the nation.  And, of course, we know what would happen if that came about.  Blue States would refuse to accept it anyway and there would be a secession from the US and/or possible cινιℓ ωαr.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #55 on: June 25, 2022, 08:30:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on June 25, 2022, 05:07:27 AM
    They can pass a federal ban by simple law.

    Not really.  They can pass a federal ban, but can't impose it on the states, so it would be meaningless and purely symbolic ... just as we have the federal law banning marijuana, but then various states permit it.  Such a federal law would have the same status.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #56 on: June 25, 2022, 08:31:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 24, 2022, 06:56:32 PM
    Mitch McConnell said a federal ban is possible.  I think he knows how laws work and what SCOTUS ruled on:

    Cf. above.  Federal Ban is always possible, but it would be entirely meaningless, as based on the disastrous SCOTUS ruling, it cannot be imposed on the states.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #57 on: June 25, 2022, 08:35:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2022, 08:28:50 AM
    Yeah, Constitutional Amendment is the only way, short of overturning this overturning, to outlaw abortion across the nation.  And, of course, we know what would happen if that came about.  Blue States would refuse to accept it anyway and there would be a secession from the US and/or possible cινιℓ ωαr.

    Let them go.  We don't need them.

    They could always join Canada.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #58 on: June 25, 2022, 09:10:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on June 25, 2022, 08:35:10 AM
    Let them go.  We don't need them.

    They could always join Canada.

    Lots of libs are claiming they'll be moving to Blue States that allow abortion.  I was hoping that would be one result of this.  Don't (or do) let the door hit you on the ass as you leave.  Of course, the liberals were all claiming they would leave the US after Trump beat Hillary in 2016 ... and yet they're still here.

    I'd love to see them secede.  Their departure would strengthen the economy of what remains of the Red State union immeasurably, and their economy would collapse within a decade, as they're reduced to third-world status.  Then they'll be trying to immigrate illegally into the Red States just like the Mexicans try to do today.  Red States would have to build a wall to keep the liberals out.
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    Re: SCOTUS ruling would be a disaster for Pro Life
    « Reply #59 on: June 25, 2022, 09:50:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 25, 2022, 09:10:55 AM
    Lots of libs are claiming they'll be moving to Blue States that allow abortion.  I was hoping that would be one result of this.  Don't (or do) let the door hit you on the ass as you leave.  Of course, the liberals were all claiming they would leave the US after Trump beat Hillary in 2016 ... and yet they're still here.

    I'd love to see them secede.  Their departure would strengthen the economy of what remains of the Red State union immeasurably, and their economy would collapse within a decade, as they're reduced to third-world status.  Then they'll be trying to immigrate illegally into the Red States just like the Mexicans try to do today.  Red States would have to build a wall to keep the liberals out.
    My "boycott the blue states" proposal is just a personal preference.  I do keep in mind that many good people, who love God and love the unborn, are stuck there.  But at the same time, if I have a pressing need to go there, I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face, and I shall spend the money I have to (lodging, food, etc.) while I am there.  My son has been agitating to go to NYC --- "no, we can NOT rent a car, you don't want a car in Manhattan, trust me, having driven there, I know what I'm talking about" --- and I have told him that, yes, we can go, we will take the train, and stay at the Leo House, which is safe and reasonably priced, Catholic-affiliated guesthouse on the West Side.
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