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Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
« on: May 08, 2014, 06:54:31 PM »
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  • http://www.vice.com/read/heres-the-first-look-at-the-new-satanic-monument-being-built-for-oklahomas-statehouse

    Here’s the First Look at the New Satanic Monument Being Built for Oklahoma’s Statehouse


    In January the Satanic Temple announced plans to erect a monument glorifying the Dark Lord on the front lawn of the Oklahoma Statehouse. An Indiegogo campaign was launched with what seemed like a somewhat lofty goal of $20,000, but by the time donations ended almost $30,000 had been raised. Now an artist trained in classical sculpture is toiling away in New York, crafting a Baphomet figure sitting beneath an inverted pentagram and flanked by two children gazing upward in loyalty. When it is finished, it will be cast in bronze and, the Satanists hope, eventually displayed in Oklahoma.

    The statue is a direct response to the state's installation of a Ten Commandments monument outside the Capitol in 2012. State Representative Mike Ritze paid for the controversial statue with his own money, and therefore it was considered a donation and OK to place on government property. Following that line of reasoning, the Satanic Temple submitted a formal application for their monument.

    As Trait Thompson of the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission told CNN last December, “Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork.” The applications are then approved or rejected by the Commission. Unfortunately, the state has placed a halt on issuing permits for any other monuments until a lawsuit filed by the ACLU against Ritze’s Commandments monument is settled.


    Nonetheless, the Satanists are building this thing, and I was offered an early peek at the work in progress by Temple spokesperson Lucien Greaves. Greaves told me he has received numerous threats from people who want to attack the sculpture, but that he “wouldn’t expect these outraged and nearly insensible reactionaries to actually know how to assault a bronze monument without severely hurting themselves in the process.” Still, he’s not taking any chances. The Temple is building a mold of the sculpture so they can pop these things out like evil, terribly expensive action figures whenever they need a new one.

    “Depending on our insurance policy,” Greaves said, “we may be able to cast two from the destruction of one, expediting our arrival to the next battleground.”

    The Temple estimates that the monument will be finished in a few months. Once it’s done, they plan to put it in front of the Oklahoma Statehouse regardless of the the Capitol Preservation Commission’s ongoing battle against the ACLU. They feel this should be allowed because their application was submitted before all the hullabaloo over Ritze’s monument.

    “After all,” Greaves told me, “the Ten Commandments still stand at the State Capitol. We are fully willing to place our monument at the Capitol, even while the ACLU suit is fought, with the understanding that a judgment against the Ten Commandments will have ramifications for our monument as well, likely resulting in the removal of both.”

    The Baphomet, which will stand seven feet tall and be a testament to the glory of the Angel of the Bottomless Pit, would be placed directly beside the sculpture glorifying the laws given to Moses by the Christian God. The idea of a Satanic monument sitting on government property in Oklahoma—which is like the Bible Belt's Bible Belt—seems a bit far-fetched, but Greaves says that "there has been quite a bit of discussion among legal scholars who recognize how difficult it would actually be for Oklahoma to turn us down… Constitutional law is quite clear on this issue: The state can’t discriminate against viewpoints. If they’ve opened the door for one, they’ve opened it for all.”

    Ryan Kiesel from the Oklahoma ACLU seems to agree. He told the Libertarian Republic, “If, at the end of the day, the Ten Commandments monument is allowed to remain on the Capitol grounds with its overtly Christian message, then the Satanic Temple’s proposal can’t be rejected because it is of a different religious viewpoint.”

    When the monument is finished, the Baphomet will rest on the block beneath the inverted pentagram. His lap will serve as a seat for children.

    One popular argument being used against the Temple’s monument is that it doesn’t have “any historical significance for the State of Oklahoma,” as State Representative Paul Wesselhoft told a local news station in January. “The only reason why the Ten Commandments qualified,” he continued, “is because at the Capitol, what we do is we make laws. We are lawmakers. Well, one of the earliest laws we have are the Ten Commandments.” This, it is important to remember, was said by a current democratically elected member of the legislature.

    Greaves told me that “the idea that the Ten Commandments are foundational to US or Oklahoman law is absurd and obscene… I would argue that the message behind our monument speaks more directly to the formation of US Constitutional values than the Ten Commandments possibly could. It especially does so when it stands directly beside the Ten Commandments, as it affirms no one religion enjoys legal preference.”

    Regardless of what happens at the statehouse, the Temple is charging ahead with the monument. And if it doesn’t end up in Oklahoma City and the Ten Commandments are forced to be removed, the Satanists will try to find a home for the Baphomet in another deserving state. Texas, for instance, has had a monument of the Ten Commandments sitting on its capitol grounds for 40 years. As Greaves put it, “There are no shortage of public locations across the US where religious monuments await a contrasting voice.”

    If you would like to support the Temple’s monument, go to their website and buy some nice Satan swag. All proceeds will go toward the Baphomet.
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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2014, 08:33:09 PM »
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  • When I lived in Oklahoma for a while, they were all protestants.  
    Catholics are a small minority.
    Satanism was unheard of.
    This must have been the product that the progressives are
    teaching in the Public Schools to the Universities.
    The courts mostly have ruled that you cannot have God in a
    public place, but the devil is allowed.
    Product of 33 degree masonry.
    Tear down the old Christian Order and replace it with a masonic
    order. A world without the Christian God.


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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #2 on: May 09, 2014, 03:13:21 AM »
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  • I think the Lucifer statue is the perfect expression for the spiritual path our nation decided to take since the beginning.  It is only natural that Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ would lead us to this, and I cannot think of anything more appropriate to symbolize the Protestant state that I live in.  

    I can only guess that more states will have statues like this popping up all over the place.  It just makes sense.  

    This whole idea of separation of Church and state is a stupid experiment, and it only leads to what we are witnessing now.

    America has collectively been un-Catholic from the beginning.  It only makes sense that our society has become even more un-Catholic over two centuries after our inception.    

    The writing's been on the wall for generations.
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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 12:24:34 AM »
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    When I saw this was from OK I immediately wondered what Laramie would think.

    You did not disappoint me, Sir.  Thanks a lot.  Seriously.

    And thanks for the pic.  I'm surprised Matthew waited for us to do that.  


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    *An earlier version of this article referred to the inverted pentagram as simply a "pentagram." The post has been updated.



    Oh, the Bible quotes that come to mind!  And not a few of them Our Lord's own words.  Brood of Vipers!  ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan!  How often had I desired to gather you under my wing as a mother hen protects her chicks but you would not!

    Your house shall be left to you, desolate.  



    And then there's the comments, below........... OMG.  


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    Shannon Ransom Jr. · Top Commenter · Columbus, Ohio
    Say what you will about Satanists, that statue is going to look awesome and the public reaction is going to be hilarious. I also love the idea of churning them out en masse from the insurance money paid out by their destruction. I can't wait until this is real.
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    This seems to me the best angle shot. The shadow on the wall exaggerates the effect, subtly.  Don't ignore the gesture in the demon's LEFT hand (hanging down):





    The upraised right hand has the mockery of Our Lord's Crucifixion in the figer position, and it is the one that priests use for blessing, too.  


    Where are the Southern Baptists!?!?  I can imagine a cινιℓ ωαr brewing between Georgia and Oklahoma.  

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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 01:26:03 AM »
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    When I saw this was from OK I immediately wondered what Laramie would think.

    You did not disappoint me, Sir.  Thanks a lot.  Seriously.

    And thanks for the pic.  I'm surprised Matthew waited for us to do that.  



    No problem!

    I'm hardly online much these days because I just don't have the time for any of it anymore.  But this one really stuck out, and I thought I'd report in.  


    Yeah, Lucifer statues.  Don't get me wrong; I'm no fan of the Devil or his supporters.  However, I simply think this latest step in our society's devolution is natural, ridiculous, and obvious.  I have nothing but contempt and sorrow for the lack of thought coming from the herd.  

    But this statue will demonstrate so much.  In fact, I'm thinking I might even take my kids to see this thing, just to show them what Catholics are up against in this impending wasteland.
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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 02:08:58 AM »
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    When I saw this was from OK I immediately wondered what Laramie would think.

    You did not disappoint me, Sir.  Thanks a lot.  Seriously.

    And thanks for the pic.  I'm surprised Matthew waited for us to do that.  



    No problem!

    I'm hardly online much these days because I just don't have the time for any of it anymore.  But this one really stuck out, and I thought I'd report in.  


    Yeah, Lucifer statues.  Don't get me wrong; I'm no fan of the Devil or his supporters.  However, I simply think this latest step in our society's devolution is natural, ridiculous, and obvious.  I have nothing but contempt and sorrow for the lack of thought coming from the herd.  

    But this statue will demonstrate so much.  In fact, I'm thinking I might even take my kids to see this thing, just to show them what Catholics are up against in this impending wasteland.


    You're a brave man.  I'm sure the Angels will protect your children.  They'll have a very good tour guide.  

    They're making a repeatable mold for this so when vandals tear out the first one they can afford to cast two more with the insurance money, and that way they can multiply like a virus, or like locusts.  We could have a plague of these things.

    There are plenty of red-necks with pickem-up trucks and snatch straps around.  They could yank one of these out by the roots and drag it down main street.  Or place nitric acid vials on top of it where they can't be seen and overnight the whole thing could melt.  They're going to have security cameras on this 24/7.  So the first thing that has to go is the cameras.  

    Between this news and the black mass at Harvard in Cambridge next week, it's looking pretty bleak for May 2014.  

    This is what happens in the wake of JohnXXIII and JPII last week.  Okay.  Check.  


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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #6 on: May 10, 2014, 02:23:14 AM »
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    They're making a repeatable mold for this so when vandals tear out the first one they can afford to cast two more with the insurance money, and that way they can multiply like a virus, or like locusts.  We could have a plague of these things.


    Yup.  I fully expect these things to start popping up across the land.  

    I sort of enjoy that prospect, because the spiritual battle will become more obvious to those with a brain to percieve it.  I mean...it's so obvious at this point.  



    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Between this news and the black mass at Harvard in Cambridge next week, it's looking pretty bleak for May 2014.  

    This is what happens in the wake of JohnXXIII and JPII last week.  Okay.  Check.  



    Yup.  And then you have the flooding of Lourdes when the JPII "relic" was being taken there a few years ago, and then the "crucifix" toppling over on that one fellow prior to the canonizations.  

    I mean...so much obviousness.  

    But heck.  Maybe I'm just reading tea leaves here.  Silly me.
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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #7 on: May 12, 2014, 09:25:40 PM »
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    Too bad your tea leaves didn't turn up this item.  Or maybe they 'tried to' but you weren't reading them properly?   :scratchchin:


    It now comes out that the satanists behind the Baphomet statue in OK are pushing for its erection in other states across America, on the same basis:  Freedom of Religion and constitutional rights thereof.


    These are the same people who motivated the student group at Harvard to petition for a black mass today, May 12th, to be held on campus.  


    So the two events are not unrelated even in a natural sense.  The instigators are the same group of people, and they are satanists.  In more reasonable times, they would have been subject to summary execution.  But these are not reasonable times.  


    This is not a victimless crime any less than how the sin of Sodom is not a victimless crime.  


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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #8 on: May 12, 2014, 09:30:30 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
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    When I saw this was from OK I immediately wondered what Laramie would think.

    You did not disappoint me, Sir.  Thanks a lot.  Seriously.

    And thanks for the pic.  I'm surprised Matthew waited for us to do that.  



    No problem!

    I'm hardly online much these days because I just don't have the time for any of it anymore.  But this one really stuck out, and I thought I'd report in.  


    Yeah, Lucifer statues.  Don't get me wrong; I'm no fan of the Devil or his supporters.  However, I simply think this latest step in our society's devolution is natural, ridiculous, and obvious.  I have nothing but contempt and sorrow for the lack of thought coming from the herd.  

    But this statue will demonstrate so much.  In fact, I'm thinking I might even take my kids to see this thing, just to show them what Catholics are up against in this impending wasteland.


    Wisdom!  Attend!
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
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    Translation:  When an Eastern Rite Catholic says, "Wisdom! Attend!"  - that means a truckload.  


    Somehow they manage to pack into two words volumes of doctrine.  These are words directly out of the Divine Liturgy, and we have nothing like that in the Roman Rite.  Perhaps Sigismund could elaborate.  

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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 07:54:26 AM »
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    Here’s the First Look at the New Satanic Monument Being Built for Oklahoma’s Statehouse


    In January the Satanic Temple announced plans to erect a monument glorifying the Dark Lord on the front lawn of the Oklahoma Statehouse. An Indiegogo campaign was launched with what seemed like a somewhat lofty goal of $20,000, but by the time donations ended almost $30,000 had been raised. Now an artist trained in classical sculpture is toiling away in New York, crafting a Baphomet figure sitting beneath an inverted pentagram and flanked by two children gazing upward in loyalty. When it is finished, it will be cast in bronze and, the Satanists hope, eventually displayed in Oklahoma.

    The statue is a direct response to the state's installation of a Ten Commandments monument outside the Capitol in 2012. State Representative Mike Ritze paid for the controversial statue with his own money, and therefore it was considered a donation and OK to place on government property. Following that line of reasoning, the Satanic Temple submitted a formal application for their monument.

    As Trait Thompson of the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission told CNN last December, “Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork.” The applications are then approved or rejected by the Commission. Unfortunately, the state has placed a halt on issuing permits for any other monuments until a lawsuit filed by the ACLU against Ritze’s Commandments monument is settled.


    Nonetheless, the Satanists are building this thing, and I was offered an early peek at the work in progress by Temple spokesperson Lucien Greaves. Greaves told me he has receiveod numerous threats from people who want to attack the sculpture, but that he “wouldn’t expect these outraged and nearly insensible reactionaries to actually know how to assault a bronze monument without severely hurting themselves in the process.” Still, he’s not taking any chances. The Temple is building a mold of the sculpture so they can pop these things out like evil, terribly expensive action figures whenever they need a new one.

    “Depending on our insurance policy,” Greaves said, “we may be able to cast two from the destruction of one, expediting our arrival to the next battleground.”

    The Temple estimates that the monument will be finished in a few months. Once it’s done, they plan to put it in front of the Oklahoma Statehouse regardless of the the Capitol Preservation Commission’s ongoing battle against the ACLU. They feel this should be allowed because their application was submitted before all the hullabaloo over Ritze’s monument.

    “After all,” Greaves told me, “the Ten Commandments still stand at the State Capitol. We are fully willing to place our monument at the Capitol, even while the ACLU suit is fought, with the understanding that a judgment against the Ten Commandments will have ramifications for our monument as well, likely resulting in the removal of both.”

    The Baphomet, which will stand seven feet tall and be a testament to the glory of the Angel of the Bottomless Pit, would be placed directly beside the sculpture glorifying the laws given to Moses by the Christian God. The idea of a Satanic monument sitting on government property in Oklahoma—which is like the Bible Belt's Bible Belt—seems a bit far-fetched, but Greaves says that "there has been quite a bit of discussion among legal scholars who recognize how difficult it would actually be for Oklahoma to turn us down… Constitutional law is quite clear on this issue: The state can’t discriminate against viewpoints. If they’ve opened the door for one, they’ve opened it for all.”

    Ryan Kiesel from the Oklahoma ACLU seems to agree. He told the Libertarian Republic, “If, at the end of the day, the Ten Commandments monument is allowed to remain on the Capitol grounds with its overtly Christian message, then the Satanic Temple’s proposal can’t be rejected because it is of a different religious viewpoint.”

    When the monument is finished, the Baphomet will rest on the block beneath the inverted pentagram. His lap will serve as a seat for children.

    One popular argument being used against the Temple’s monument is that it doesn’t have “any historical significance for the State of Oklahoma,” as State Representative Paul Wesselhoft told a local news station in January. “The only reason why the Ten Commandments qualified,” he continued, “is because at the Capitol, what we do is we make laws. We are lawmakers. Well, one of the earliest laws we have are the Ten Commandments.” This, it is important to remember, was said by a current democratically elected member of the legislature.

    Greaves told me that “the idea that the Ten Commandments are foundational to US or Oklahoman law is absurd and obscene… I would argue that the message behind our monument speaks more directly to the formation of US Constitutional values than the Ten Commandments possibly could. It especially does so when it stands directly beside the Ten Commandments, as it affirms no one religion enjoys legal preference.”

    Regardless of what happens at the statehouse, the Temple is charging ahead with the monument. And if it doesn’t end up in Oklahoma City and the Ten Commandments are forced to be removed, the Satanists will try to find a home for the Baphomet in another deserving state. Texas, for instance, has had a monument of the Ten Commandments sitting on its capitol grounds for 40 years. As Greaves put it, “There are no shortage of public locations across the US where religious monuments await a contrasting voice.”

    If you would like to support the Temple’s monument, go to their website and buy some nice Satan swag. All proceeds will go toward the Baphomet.



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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #11 on: December 23, 2014, 01:41:28 PM »
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  • There is something similar going on in Michigan:

    http://news.yahoo.com/satanic-temple-puts-display-michigan-capitol-232144742.html

    Of particular interest for us should be that article's closing lines:

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    Martin Diller, a 28-year-old who served two tours in Iraq with the Michigan National Guard and one in Afghanistan, visited the Capitol grounds after attending Mass at St. Thomas Aquinas Parish in East Lansing. He said he wanted to see how the constitutional rights issue played itself out.

    "A few of my friends in the military, we like to see the First Amendment in use," Diller said. "We all went overseas, we fought for it, it's kind of interesting to see it in action."


    So much is spoken in those few words. It's the whole poisonous history of the masonic Americanist incursion into Catholic minds in microcosm. Once, not very long ago, even the most ignorant Catholic would have been filled with holy zeal by this wicked public affront to Almighty God and outraged to the point of being "in the mood in which men burned witches" as Chesterton once put it. Now we have the likes of this disinterested young lout, who comes straight from Mass to the site of a publicly sanctioned display of diabolism and hatred of the Blessed Trinity with not even the dimmest spark of righteous anger in evidence. Instead he treats the outrage the way the average American oaf treats any other event in his life - with the dull, bovine impassivity of a spectator. The most he can muster in the way of deference to a thing higher and greater than himself is not to the selfsame Blessed Trinity to Whom he owes his existence (and Whose Propitiatory Sacrifice he had just ostensibly participated in moments earlier), but rather to "the First Amendment," that damnable codification of masonic religious indifference which he, with dull pride, professes to be the idol for which he fought overseas.

    So whole and entire is the Americanist takeover of the Catholic mind and conscience that even a public Satanic monument doesn't serve to jolt Mr. Diller's numbed Sensus Catholicus into life with horror at the realization of what a logical application of religious liberty entails. No, it merely registers as an amusing curisoity which he is satisfied with as his recompense for having fought for "the first amendment."

    "...it's kind of interesting to see it in action." Birthright? What birthright? Pass me that mess of pottage!

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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #12 on: December 23, 2014, 01:44:35 PM »
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  • Woe to Oklahoma if the state allows it.
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
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    The upraised right hand has the mockery of Our Lord's Crucifixion in the figer position, and it is the one that priests use for blessing, too.  


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    The Baphomet image seems to be a particular favorite in the "entertainment" industry:






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    Satanic statue next to Ten Commandments in Oklahoma?
    « Reply #14 on: December 24, 2014, 12:19:53 AM »
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  • That isn't a religion. That is a hate group.  That is pure hatred against Christ and us too.  
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