I don't see anything wrong with the Immigrant Song (actually it's kinda cool), in fact a lot of Zeppelin's songs are fine, a lot of other ones are not fine and Jimmy Page was deeply into the occult.

Like I told alaric, there are few Zeppelin songs that I don't love and none that I would call overtly troubling.  None of the blues offerings are explicit, except Whole Lotta Love from II and Travelling Riverside Blues from the BBC sessions, and even their more esoteric offerings are sonically gorgeous, especially Ramble On and The Battle of Evermore, neither of which I would consider offensive, given that they're more fantastical (drawing imagery from Tolkien) than mythological or occult.

Any thoughts on Gordon Lightfoot?

Wreck of the edmund Fitzgerald is a beautiful song, Sundown I really liked until a friend of mine explained the lyrics then I wondered if Gord will have to go to.

My brother loves Gordon Lightfoot, while I generally don't like his work at all.  Musically, Sundown is really one of the few exceptions but the lyrics are crap.

I LOVEthis bagpipe player, Heath.

I can't ever get Youtube links to work, but if you search 'heath wild bagpipe

or wild crltic bagpipe piece on Youtube

nothing but joy!!  We saw this band once; they are brilliant.  It will put the sparkle back in your eyes!  :cheers:  It scares off the devils!

Randy Rhodes was a pretty amazing guitar player and OZZY's voice was always pretty good in my opinion. I think the first Black Sabbath album had an upside down cross on it but they said they didn't know about and it was the record label that put it in. Overall that music makes me inclined to do bad things, drink beer etc wheras Gregorian Chant will instill a calmness and even incline me to prayer. Undoubtedly there are some very talented people producing some unhealthy music.

I think you're right.  Our best musicians are being directed (follow the money)  into music that is bad for the soul, but good for promoting vice.  I guess that pretty much describes the situation in all of the arts these days.  

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Randy Rhodes was a pretty amazing guitar player and OZZY's voice was always pretty good in my opinion. I think the first Black Sabbath album had an upside down cross on it but they said they didn't know about and it was the record label that put it in. Overall that music makes me inclined to do bad things, drink beer etc wheras Gregorian Chant will instill a calmness and even incline me to prayer. Undoubtedly there are some very talented people producing some unhealthy music.

I think you're right.  Our best musicians are being directed (follow the money)  into music that is bad for the soul, but good for promoting vice.  I guess that pretty much describes the situation in all of the arts these days.  

I think that was the case like 40 30 years ago, I find the music now is really devoid of any quality. I mean the beatles did have some nice songs, as did the stones but when you get someone like Britney Spears, most rap, modern country it's pretty much all bad even if the singer has a good voice. I mean Stairway to Heaven may not be suitable for a Catholic but it certainly surpasses anything we've heard in the last 20 years from the "music industry" as far as listening satisfaction goes.

Yeah, I guess modern art is surprisingly easy to make  

Jazz has degenerated over the years. It suffers from a lack of genuine originality and creativity.

On the whole though, the genre can be enjoyable at times. In moderation.

At it's best, jazz shares many commonalities with Baroque music. At it's worse, it's still better than Schoenberg and his 20th and 21st century ilk.

Jazz harmonies can be fascinating and surprisingly rich. Poulenc was a master at utilizing jazz harmonies within a neo-Classic/Romantic idiom.


I didn't watch any of the Jazz videos linked, but the Jazz I am referring to is the more cultivated style that is heard in restaurants, etc in city's with an active music scene. The sort of music that is on the radio program Excellence in Jazz on Capitol Public Radio.

In fact, I was recently speaking with an accomplished harpsichordist, lamenting the fact that CPR cut off classical music after 7 PM and replaced it with a Jazz program. The musician told me that most of the Jazz wasn't so bad. I decided to give it a try - the first song had me captivated, quite beautiful.

Thanks for pointing out that some Jazz has a character that is  Baroque. I don't like it as much as I use to( my favs now are early Beatles, Beach Boys & Rascals).

If anyone wants to have some real fun, go over to Amazon & download

1-- I Didn't Know What Time by McCoy Tyner( the album is Just Feelin)

2-- Thelonious by Thelonious Monk( the album is Underground).

This will cost a grand total of $1:98

Uh roscoe the Beatles were indeed international socialists.

Personally I find any music from the counterculture days of the 1960's to the present to be from the Frankfurt School since Herbert Marcuse was the main driving force behind that movement.

I have no interest in the philosophy, lyrics, lifestyle or appearance of the Beatles.

There is big difference between the early Beatles & hippy Beatles-- post 1965.

The Tavistock story passed around by La Rouche & Coleman is a joke. Neither of them are Catholics.  

I have no interest in the philosophy, lyrics, lifestyle or appearance of the Beatles.

Of course not, because you if you did, you know you'd have to give up listening to them. But it's all about roscoe, roscoe, roscoe. If anyone wants evidence of this, just look at the thread roscoe started claiming he was a Stigmatist.

You have acknowledged before what pure filth John Lennon wrote blaspheming Jesus Christ, and you're also aware of the atheistic lyrics contained in his song "Imagine". Yet you say you don't care about their philosphy, lyrics, or lifestyle? You just say that so you can have an excuse to listen to anti-Christian trash, just like you claim MJ is blessed so you can have an excuse to smoke it.

Yet you clearly have a double standard, because you have warned against the lifestyles of singers such as Michael Jackson, yet you say you don't care about the Beatles' lifestyle. So which is it, roscoe?

I don't understand why you're tolerated here, truthfully.

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I don't know about Jazz, have never listened to it much to be honest, but rock and roll is definitely satanic.

I have my own personal list on singers and groups to avoid due to being immoral or completely satanic, and I can provide reasons for all of them if necessary (I'm sure this is going to get a response from roscoe, LOL):

The Beatles
The Eagles
Led Zeppelin
Beach Boys
Michael Jackson
Elton John
Jay-Z
David Bowie
KISS
Ozzy Osbourne and Black Sabbath
Elvis Presley (former Christian who went whacko, probably because of meds)
Brittany Spears
Madonna
Brad Paisley (33 degree Freemason)
Hall and Oates
Eminem

That's all I can think of right now, though I know there are more to avoid. Some are more obvious than others.

Why Bowie?  Anything aside from the obvious ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ overtones?  (Just testing your depth, I guess.)

Laramie, this video explains why David Bowie's music should be avoided:

Good answer, SS. The linked YouTube is still available.

The video has several direct quotations of Bowie where he openly admits to
performing satanic practices and believing in satanic teachings, as all Rock 'n Roll.

The last item it mentions (the report was cut after 1:56 only) is this song by Bowie:

Quicksand

I'm closer to the Golden Dawn
Immersed in Crowley's uniform
Of imagery        ---------------------(but the report omits the rest of the words:)
I'm living in a silent film
Portraying
Himmler's sacred realm
Of dream reality
I'm frightened by the total goal
Drawing to the ragged hole
And I ain't got the power anymore
No I ain't got the power anymore

I'm the twisted name
On Goebbel's eyes     ------------Some copies have "Garbo's" but that's an error.
Living proof of
Churchill's lies
I'm destiny
I'm torn between the light and dark
Where others see their targets
Divine symmetry
Should I kiss the viper's fang
Or herald loud
The death of Man
I'm sinking in the quicksand
Of my thought
And I ain't got the power anymore

[CHORUS]
Don't believe in yourself
Don't deceive with belief
Knowledge comes
With death's release

I'm not a prophet
Or a stone age man
Just a mortal
With the potential of a superman
I'm living on
I'm tethered to the logic
Of Homo Sapien
Can't take my eyes
From the great salvation
Of bulls**t faith
If I don't explain what you ought to know
You can tell me all about it
On, the next Bardo
I'm sinking in the quicksand
Of my thought
And I ain't got the power anymore

[CHORUS]

Quicksand was a song about Adolf Hitler and his final moments in the Bunker.

But Bowie was fascinated by Hitler, and as such, these words can be applicable
to Bowie by extension -- he was reveling or meditating on these ideas.

Bowie's "art" is a good example of misdirected worship. He was adoring his own
false gods, essentially, and providing ways for others to follow behind him, and
also adore their own false gods; whether they are the same false gods as Bowie's
isn't important to the devil. For the devil wins, regardless of which false gods
someone worships.

David Bowie was unquestionably very intelligent. Well, so was satan, and what
did that get him? Intelligence can be a kind of false god, in itself, and by
extension, any person with genius abilities can be held up as a false god. I have
no doubts that a lot of Bowie fans worshiped David Bowie. I knew some of them.
One, in particular, died a few years ago, of leukemia. His entire body was
consumed by the disease, with swelling, in its final stages. It seems to me that
what happened to him physically was a metaphor to what happened to him in
the spiritual realm, unfortunately. I still pray for him, though. He was a very
generous and community-conscious Catholic, even though he did rather go for
every novelty in the Novus Ordo everything.

For me, David Bowie is a metaphor in the world of music, for what has happened
to the Church in the world at large.

Bowie took the trappings of Western music and turned them toward a whole new
thing, combining Rock 'n Roll, pop, folk, classical, and adding an edge of daring
to it, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and bitterness to traditional religion. Isn't that what's going
on in the Novus ordo? It attempts to mix secular music and acceptance of
ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity with the Catholic faith, with an undercurrent of rejection of our
traditional patrimony.



You could say that a bitterness to Traditional Catholic faith subsists in the Novus
Ordo. That is to say, this bitterness is an underlying principle thereof.



It seems to me that this is why the majority of Catholics put up with the obvious
adversarial sentiment toward Tradition that is inherent in everything Novus Ordo.





Music is most important in its liturgical use, and the human voice is the most
important musical instrument for the liturgical setting. A pipe organ is the most
appropriate non-vocal instrument, others being "profane" inherently.


The devil doesn't need any rules to evoke satanic music. All the devil needs to do
is to break the true rules, and the result is almost necessarily satanic music. It's
like original sin could have been anything, but no matter what the kind of sis
was, the results are the same: fallen nature.