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« on: August 19, 2009, 05:38:14 PM »
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  • I am trying to do sincere research on "the Holocaust" of the Jews during World War II and have not yet reached a point at which I cannot conclude that six million Jews were indeed not killed. I think that the so called Holocaust is a bit of a "sacred cow" so to speak, but I am wondering where Bishop Williamson and other men who have reached the conclusion that only a few thousand Jews died have gotten their information. Does anyone know?



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    « Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 09:30:39 PM »
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    I am trying to do sincere research on "the Holocaust" of the Jews during World War II and have not yet reached a point at which I cannot conclude that six million Jews were indeed not killed. I think that the so called Holocaust is a bit of a "sacred cow" so to speak, but I am wondering where Bishop Williamson and other men who have reached the conclusion that only a few thousand Jews died have gotten their information. Does anyone know?


    Here is a site that claims the 6 million figure is a hoax.  Taken from the above:
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    Old Almanacs Never Lie!

    584,549 MORE Jews in 1949 than in 1940

    Meyers Handlexicon, Germany 1921 -- 11,600,000

    World Almanac, 1925, pg. 752 -- 15,630,000, "In 1925 a census of Palestine gave a total of 115,151 Jews"

    World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 -- 15,630,000

    National Council of Churches 1930 -- 15,600 ,000

    March 24, 1933, Jewish newspaper Daily Express -- 14,000,000 Jews worldwide

    World Almanac, 1933, pg. 419 -- 15,316,359, ["The estimate for Jews in the above table is for 1933, and is by the American Jewish Committee"

    World Almanac, 1936, pg. 748 -- world Jewish population = 15,753,633

    World Almanac, 1938, pg. 510 -- world Jewish population = 15,748,091, with 240,000 in Germany

    American Jewish Committee Bureau of the Synagogue Council, 1939 -- 15,600,000

    World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population -- 15,319,359

    World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population -- 15,748,091

    World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population -- 15,192,089 ("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")

    World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000

    World Almanac, 1949, pg. 289: World Jewish Population -- 15,713,638

    Statistical Handbook of Council of Churches USA 1951 -- 15,300,000

    Encyclopedia Britannica's 1955 Book of the Year -- 11,627,450, "Jewish figures include all Jews whether members of a synagogue or not"

    World Almanac, US News & World Report, 1983 population of Jews -- 16,820,850

    World Almanac, 1996, pg. 646: World Jewish Population -- 14,117,000

    World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population --18,080,000

    World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population -- 13,200,000

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    « Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 03:45:14 AM »
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    « Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 06:58:21 AM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    I am trying to do sincere research on "the Holocaust" of the Jews during World War II and have not yet reached a point at which I cannot conclude that six million Jews were indeed not killed. I think that the so called Holocaust is a bit of a "sacred cow" so to speak, but I am wondering where Bishop Williamson and other men who have reached the conclusion that only a few thousand Jews died have gotten their information. Does anyone know?


    The 6 million figure to me is not a big deal, but it is problematic when we ignore the 2-3x number of non-Jews that died and do not get any attention....Williamson was I thought saying that only a few thousand died in the gas chambers, the rest by bullet, starvation,etc.....had not heard him questioning the numbers of total dead, but how many died in gas chambers themselves......am I wrong?
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    « Reply #4 on: August 20, 2009, 11:12:52 PM »
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    See here.


    I have read that article, but it doesn't seem to offer any irrefutable evidence. That would be something excellent to put on top of a solid basis for the thesis that less than six million Jews died.



     
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    The 6 million figure to me is not a big deal, but it is problematic when we ignore the 2-3x number of non-Jews that died and do not get any attention....Williamson was I thought saying that only a few thousand died in the gas chambers, the rest by bullet, starvation,etc.....had not heard him questioning the numbers of total dead, but how many died in gas chambers themselves......am I wrong?


    I think that he said a few thousand died in total.




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    « Reply #5 on: August 21, 2009, 01:43:19 AM »
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    I am trying to do sincere research on "the Holocaust" of the Jews during World War II and have not yet reached a point at which I cannot conclude that six million Jews were indeed not killed. I think that the so called Holocaust is a bit of a "sacred cow" so to speak, but I am wondering where Bishop Williamson and other men who have reached the conclusion that only a few thousand Jews died have gotten their information. Does anyone know?


    The way the Jews and the German government have it set up it makes it near impossible for sincere research.  The only "sincere" research they allow is one that adds up to the "sacred" 6 million or more.  Jail cells await anyone whose research is not "up" to Jew and German government standards.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 21, 2009, 08:52:19 AM »
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    I think that he said a few thousand died in total.


    200-300,000 to be exact.


    People need to do the math. If you want to exterminate masses of people you dont do it by gassing, you do it with machine guns. I used used to watch WWII documentaries all the time when I was younger and always had to imagine what the 'gas chambers' looked like since they were never shown in the films. All I saw was mass shootings and people starving to death, no gas chambers. They can never get the story straight about the cause of death, weather it was incineration, shooting, starvation, or gassing. Most say they were all gassed yet they never produce the actual gas chambers. Which begs the question; why lie about the gas chambers? And if 6million Jews really did die, what was the US army doing transporting 6million Jews "liberated" from the concentration camps down to Palestine?
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    « Reply #7 on: August 21, 2009, 09:24:32 AM »
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    I think that he said a few thousand died in total.


    200-300,000 to be exact.


    People need to do the math. If you want to exterminate masses of people you dont do it by gassing, you do it with machine guns. I used used to watch WWII documentaries all the time when I was younger and always had to imagine what the 'gas chambers' looked like since they were never shown in the films. All I saw was mass shootings and people starving to death, no gas chambers. They can never get the story straight about the cause of death, weather it was incineration, shooting, starvation, or gassing. Most say they were all gassed yet they never produce the actual gas chambers. Which begs the question; why lie about the gas chambers? And if 6million Jews really did die, what was the US army doing transporting 6million Jews "liberated" from the concentration camps down to Palestine?


    If 6 mill was sent to Palestine, then we do have soem errors in numbers, total pre-war population vs transported, if we consider leaving off any refugees from Soviet union, etc that may not have made European stats..........
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    « Reply #8 on: August 21, 2009, 11:38:28 PM »
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    I think that he said a few thousand died in total.


    200-300,000 to be exact.


    People need to do the math. If you want to exterminate masses of people you dont do it by gassing, you do it with machine guns. I used used to watch WWII documentaries all the time when I was younger and always had to imagine what the 'gas chambers' looked like since they were never shown in the films. All I saw was mass shootings and people starving to death, no gas chambers. They can never get the story straight about the cause of death, weather it was incineration, shooting, starvation, or gassing. Most say they were all gassed yet they never produce the actual gas chambers. Which begs the question; why lie about the gas chambers? And if 6million Jews really did die, what was the US army doing transporting 6million Jews "liberated" from the concentration camps down to Palestine?


    That is what I often point out. Gassing is an extravagent, costly, and inefficient means of execution. A more efficient way of eliminating prisoners is obviously to work them to death, although this is not necessarily the fastest means, it does allow for more labour to be done. I don't think that the Nazis were necessarily looking for the quickest means to kill prisoners (although they certainly needed methods to dispose of corpses or disinfect them, along with clothing, etc, hence the crematoriums and gas chambers).


    The whole situation is really chaotic and there is almost no information available.



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    « Reply #9 on: June 25, 2010, 10:43:35 PM »
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  • Just my hunch -- there were no gas chambers, and most Jews were given time to get out of Germany.  But some Jews must have died because the grunt soldiers actually believed Hitler's rhetoric and surely acted on it.  Also, some Jews need to die to make their lies convincing, just like they would have died fighting as American soldiers in our military.  I have heard American veterans defend Jews, saying essentially "They died on the battlefield right next to us, and you tell me this is a Jewish war!"  

    See what it's about?  American Catholics fighting side by side with Jews on the same side as Stalin, completely oblivious that both sides of the war were controlled.  That is why I call World War II Godzilla vs. Mothra -- both sides were bad, there was no one to root for.  

    So Jews died, but nowhere near as many as they said, and mostly as a sacrifice to their cause -- Israel -- not to "ours," whatever we think that might be ( because neither side was Catholic in WWII ).  In the same way you will see certain Jews who have lowlier jobs than others because this creates the impression that they aren't all connected and they have to struggle like everyone else.  Because of this you will often hear people say "Not all Jews are bad, not all Jews are part of a conspiracy, some of them are street-sweepers!"  

    Okay, I confess -- there MIGHT be five or six Jews who aren't aware of what is happening in society or that they have come into power in the ruins of their ancient enemy, the Catholic Church, which has been nearly overthrown.  And those are probably all under the age of twenty.  But in general, the Jews are like elephants.  They have long memories when it comes to things like being booted out of country after country and confined to ghettoes, living in squalor...  They may pretend to be your friends but they are not -- they LOATHE Catholics.  

    Make no mistake, what we're seeing is a profound revenge of the Jews against the Catholics, and echoing that, the attempted revenge of the devil on God.  It all connects, it is all perfectly symmetrical.  It must be frustrating for them to have to keep silent about all their scheming for fear of giving the game away, because it's just so clever, isn't it, Jews?  Who would believe it, who would believe just how far they would go in their lies?  

    Back to World War II, Hitler was just a necessary boogeyman used to scare up support for the theft of Palestine.  It's so painfully transparent that it's embarrassing.  The real Number One enemy of Hitler AND of the Rothschild world-controllers was the Catholic Polish.  They weren't an enemy because they were a threat to the "Universal Republic," mind you -- they were just annoying because they were devout.  That war was a rout of Poland, followed by another rout of Poland when it was handed over to Russia.
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    « Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 02:42:00 PM »
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  • See Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Ernst Gauss, ed., Theses and Dissertations Press, Capshaw, AL, 2000 (English edition).  

    (Contention therein is that there were no gas chambers, rather delousing chambers and crematoria.  Also no 'gas vans', since diesel fuel --on which the German vehicles ran -- does not, except under unusual circumstances, contain enough carbon monoxide to be lethal.)

    See also The Barnes Review, Vol. 7, No.1, January/February 2001 (its 'All-Holocaust' issue).  Chart on p. 56, "The Diminishing Numbers of the Auschwitz Dead" shows official estimates from 9 million down to 73,000.


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    « Reply #11 on: July 01, 2010, 03:22:13 PM »
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  • I haven't studied much about it because it's kind of tangential, but those sound good.  Just based on common sene, you know that Germany could not afford to waste its labor power by conducting a full-scale extermination.  Common sense also tells us that the Jews controlled World War II, that they needed it to get Israel, and right from the beginning, all kinds of lies are going to be involved.

    Wasn't there a plaque at Auschwitz or one of the other camps that used to bear an enormous figure like "3,000,000 dead" and then one fine day it went down to one million?  Ha ha.  The revelation of the method once again.

    Remember I wrote to you about McMartin?  The Jewish guy whose picture I showed you, Abby Mann, who wrote the propaganda piece about McMartin, also wrote the famous Holocaust propaganda film Judgment at Nuremberg!  Can you believe that?  Look at how it all connects ( or seems to )... I should open another thread about McMartin though.  
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    « Reply #12 on: July 01, 2010, 03:31:18 PM »
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  • I remember hearing once that the Jews, somewhere, I believe in the Talmud, recite a tall tale about how, under Roman persecution, six million of them were wrapped in the Roman flag and burned... I cannot remember the source of this, though, and I'm wondering if anyone else has heard it.

    Something else that I found interesting, although I realize it's not proof of anything.  In 1932 there was a film put out by the biggest Yiddish theater company ever -- AKA Hollywood -- called Symphony of Six Million.  The "six million" is supposed to mean the population of New York at the time, yet this film is entirely about a Jewish ghetto.  It has nothing to do with the rest of New York, so what does the population of New York have to do with it?  Shouldn't it be called "Symphony of [However Many Jews Live in the Ghetto]?"

    My question is, could this have been a sort of winking clue from the Hollywood Jews about the later, famous figure of six million Jews?  Did they know even then, in 1932, that they were going to orchestrate something like a phony "Holocaust," and they were telegraphing this?  If you read about Masonic ritual murders like Jack the Ripper, all kinds of jokes and signs are involved, it is a tradition of the secret societies to play these devilish jokes.  

    Speaking of Jack the Ripper, what about the line that was found scrawled on a wall, "The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing?"  Is it possible that this was a Freemasonic cryptic clue about the future Nazi regime which was even then in the planning stages, and about how they were setting up a false persecution of the Jews in order to advance the NWO forward?

    Ah well.  It is not too healthy to become obsessed by these mysteries.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 01, 2010, 09:03:34 PM »
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  • Quoting from the Barnes Review "All-Holocaust" issue:

    "Editorial: Did the Romans really kill 4 billion Jews?

         Although it is largely forgotten today, in October 1919 New York Governor Martin Glynn gave a speech in Albany, New York, reporting on  the "holocaust [of] six million Jewish men and women" who were dying due to the "awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood" -- during World War I.

         Glynn's speech . . . was printed in the October 31, 1919, issue of the American Hebrew Magazine, published by the American Jewish Committee.

          The truth is that six million Jews did not die during World War I -- and no serious historian believes today that they did.  But during  World War I the myth of "six million Jews" was very emotional and effective war-time propaganda indeed.

          However, shortly after World War II, the thesis of "Six Million Jews" took on a new life.

          Yet if you look back in history, Jewish lore is rife with multiple legends of mass Jewish slaughter.  The story of "the Holocaust" (of World War II) that you hear so much about today is a variation on a very old theme.

          The Talmud -- the very foundation of Jewish religious teaching -- tells of four billion Jews killed by the Romans under Emperor Hadrian.  The Talmud describes a tidal wave of blood that plunged down to the sea, carrying large boulders along with it, staining the sea a distance of four miles out -- the bodies of the martyred Jews used to build a fence around Hadrian's vineyard, with the blood saved over from the tidal wave used to fertilize the grapes of Hadrian's wrath and of 64 million Jewish school Children of Bethar, wrapped in their religious scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. . . . "

          Hope I'm not obsessing on subjects like this.  Do start a thread on the McMartin case; would like to know more about it.  (Did I just contradict myself?)

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    « Reply #14 on: March 25, 2012, 07:52:30 AM »
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  • Quote from: innocenza
    See Dissecting the Holocaust: The Growing Critique of Truth and Memory, Ernst Gauss, ed., Theses and Dissertations Press, Capshaw, AL, 2000 (English edition).  

    (Contention therein is that there were no gas chambers, rather delousing chambers and crematoria.  Also no 'gas vans', since diesel fuel --on which the German vehicles ran -- does not, except under unusual circumstances, contain enough carbon monoxide to be lethal.)

    See also The Barnes Review, Vol. 7, No.1, January/February 2001 (its 'All-Holocaust' issue).  Chart on p. 56, "The Diminishing Numbers of the Auschwitz Dead" shows official estimates from 9 million down to 73,000.


    A great recommendation. It's well worth getting a copy.

    Also 'Did Six Million Really Die?' has been updated and expanded.

    The Rudolf Report is a scientific study of the "gas chambers" at Auschwitz. A short English synopsis of the report is available.

     

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