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Offline Vandaler

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S1927 - The Protect America act 2007
« on: August 07, 2007, 09:06:19 PM »
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  • You know, of all the baseless and highly speculative stuff that gets posted here,
    I'm surprised that the most evident, and blatant did not get posted yet.

    Here is the bill, that determines that a warrant is no longer necessary for the executive branch to conduct wiretaping.

    Whitehouse factsheet

     


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    S1927 - The Protect America act 2007
    « Reply #1 on: August 08, 2007, 05:12:56 AM »
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  • Because as the WH brief says, because of the FISA jurisdiction. You'll recall the complaints they had, previously, that either the WH wasn't first going to these courts, or when they did, the subjects of the surveillance got away. They are only on the phone for so long, or only on particular phones (apparently the bad guys switch off, a lot).

    This surveillance is out of FISA jurisdiction because it is of conversations outside US borders (whether Bush remembers that we have national borders, is another matter). I suppose an amendment, when these matters are taken up again, might insist that the courts be apprised of the facts which otherwise would support a warrant. But it would be after the fact.

    I agree with the bill, as far as it goes. These people have to move quickly to intercept conversations. And who knows what might be suggested, or even said?

    Now if it were a matter of American citizens, with both calls inside our borders (again, Mr. Bush, we do have national borders), as much as I could see the benefit were either one or the other part of a terrorist cell, the law would probably demand a warrant, a court approved warrant.


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    S1927 - The Protect America act 2007
    « Reply #2 on: August 08, 2007, 07:00:27 AM »
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  • Look I'm not hysterically about it, and this bill is only temporary and will probably be amended before the end of the year.

    Essentially, some Democrats where caught unprepared and bullied in looking soft on terror if they voted against the bill.

    That being said, I agree with you that the process to obtain a FISA court order could be updated, or accelerated, modernized etc...

    However, conducting wiretaps without a warrant is something I would not support - where I American - on the basis of due process and rule of law.

    Also, this program will be regulated by D.O.J., which means that they will be regulating themselves.  Which is always bad a idea.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 09, 2007, 09:36:57 AM »
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  • I also should correct myself about the bill. You posted the URL. I read through it and found that the fed does have to report their basis for conducting a foreign surveillance to a court, within a certain timeframe. But it would necessarily be after the fact.