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« on: January 06, 2014, 06:50:41 PM »
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  • You know that Russia has been standing up for traditional morality. Look at their benefits for large families.  this is from
    http://deti.mail.ru/family/prava-i-lgoty-mnogodetnyh-semej/


    Benefits for large families

    1. Large families will receive a discount on utilities (heating, water, sewer, gas, electricity) in the amount of not more than 30%. Large families who live in homes without central heating, provided the discount is calculated based on the cost of fuel, which is implemented on the territory within the limits of consumption. 2. If in a large family with children under 6 years, such a family is entitled to receive free medical drugs sold by prescription, as well as service in clinics without waiting and getting first places in sanatoria and health-improving camps character. Prescribed by a doctor for children from large families are also provided free of prosthetic and orthopedic products.


    3. All members of a large family enjoy free rides on the commuter and intercity public transport, except taxis.

    4. Younger children from large families have the right to be taken out of the lineup in preschool.

    5. school-age children from large families are provided with free half board in educational institutions that provide education programs.

    6. Free school uniform or outfit, her replacement, and sports uniforms for physical training - they are supposed to give to the entire period of study for each child of a large family.

    7. Large families are entitled to free admission to museums, parks, exhibitions once a month.

    8. Large family can get the benefits of a loan that is intended for the construction or purchase of housing. 9. Large families have the right to receive an extraordinary garden plot. Intended use of the land by the legislator in this case clearly spelled out - a site is only granted under individual housing construction . 10 . If going to organize a large family farm, then in that case it is entitled to preferential tax treatment, as well as providing material assistance grant or interest-free loans for the reimbursement of development of the peasant (farmer's) economy.




    11. For parents of large families engaged in entrepreneurial activities, provided full or partial exemption from the registration fee for individuals engaged in entrepreneurial activity.

    12. Large families in need of better housing conditions may provide free housing in turn.

    13. Parents of large families, employers should provide an opportunity for employment with preferential conditions.

    14. anticipatory pension mothers of large families (retirement benefits) is provided in the following cases:

    • women who have five or more children and raised them until they reach the age of 8 years, begins to accrue early retirement pension when they reach the age of 50, if they have been insured for at least 15 years;
    • women who have two or more children, begins to accrue early retirement pension when they reach the age of 50, if they have been insured for at least 20 years and worked for at least 12 calendar years in the Far North, or at least 17 ​​calendar years in similar areas.

    In that case, if a woman has not had time to bring up one of the children up to 8 years (regardless of the reason, whether it is termination of parental rights or the death of a child), the right to early retirement she does not arise.

    Child in respect of whom a woman deprived of parental rights is not included in the appointment of early retirement. But if the divestment occurred after granting a pension, the grounds for termination payments are not available.

    Cash payments for large families

    1. At birth, the second and subsequent children the monthly allowance for child care in 2013 is 4907 rubles 85 kopecks.

    2. Compensation payment for reimbursement in connection with the rising cost of living for large families is:

    • 3-4 children - 600 rubles for each child under 16 (or under 18 if the child is enrolled in an educational institution that implements educational programs);
    • 5 or more children - 750 rubles for each child under the age of 16 (or up to 18 years if the child is enrolled in an educational institution that implements educational programs).

    3. Compensation payment for the purchase of goods for children to large families with five or more minor children is 900 rubles for the whole family.

    4. Monthly compensation payments for reimbursement of the cost of growth of food for children under 3 years of age is 675 rubles.

    5. Monthly compensation payments for reimbursement of payment for housing and communal services of large families:

    • 3-4 children - 522 rubles;
    • 5 or more children - 1044 rubles.

    6. Monthly payment of compensation for the use of a telephone to large families is 230 rubles until the youngest of children age 16 (18) years.

    7. Monthly compensation payments to families with children 10 and over, is 750 rubles. Paid for each child up to the age of 16 years (full-time students - 23 years).

    8. Compensation payment for mothers of 10 or more children and receiving a pension, is 10 000 rubles. Appointed women who have 10 or more children, for a period of registration of pension. Fits the month granting a pension, but not earlier than 6 months before the month in which the application is made.

    9. Annual payments (benefits) for large families are:

    • the International Day of the Family (10 detnym and more) - 10 000 rubles per family;
    • Knowledge Day (10 detnym and more) - 15 000 rubles per family.

    10. If a family is brought up at least seven children, the parents in a family are candidates for medaled Parent glory. Awarded the Order of Parental Glory to receive a lump sum payment in the amount of 100,000 rubles.

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    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 08:13:30 PM »
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  • I wonder who is responsible for the translation here?

    I have heard that there are serious attempts by some governments to encourage large(r) families, out of dire economic necessity.

    When you consider that Russia was the first country to legalise abortion with all the terrible consequences we should not be surprised that these incentives are proposed. More to the point however is how to get them to be taken advantage of, because most of these efforts have failed.

    A few stats:

    U.S. / Australia 1.9 births per woman
    Russia     1.5 births  per woman
    Italy        1.4 births per woman

    Italy    17.4% of pregnancies aborted
    Australia    20.2% of pregnancies aborted
    U.S.     22.6% of pregnancies aborted
    Russia     44.7% of pregnancies aborted

    An excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia

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    Recent efforts[edit]
     
    The abortion issue has gained renewed attention in 2011 in a debate that the New York Times says "has begun to sound like the debate in the United States".[21] Parliament passed and President Dmitri Medvedev signed several restrictions on abortion into law to combat "a falling birthrate" and "plunging population".[21] The restrictions include requiring abortion providers to devote 10% of advertising costs to describing the dangers of abortion to a woman's health and make it illegal to describe abortion as a safe medical procedure. Medvedev's wife Svetlana Medvedeva has taken up the pro-life cause in Russia in a weeklong national campaign against abortion called "Give Me Life!" and a "Day of Family, Love and Faithfulness" by her Foundation for Social and Cultural Initiatives in conjunction with the Russian Orthodox Church.[21]
     
    Statistics[edit]
     
    Despite a significant reduction in the abortion to birth ratio since the mid-1990s, the countries of the former Soviet Union maintain the highest rate of abortions in the world. In 2001, 1.31 million children were born in Russia, while 2.11 million abortions were performed.[22] In 2005, 1.6 million abortions were registered in Russia;[4] 20% of these involved girls under the age of 18.[23] Official statistics put the number at 989,000 in 2011,[4] though Russian pro-life activists say that number is much higher.[21]


    They can afford to be generous because women are unlikely to take up the offer.

    The only solution is conversion.


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    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 08:24:32 PM »
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  •  :really-mad2: :dancing-banana: The American Version
    1.  All large families will pay a 30% surcharge on utilities in excess of the monthly regional average of the two-child family.
    2.  First child under age 10 shall receive half-price for all medical expenses.  Second children will be charged full price.  Third and subsequent children shall be denied medical care.  Women pregnant who already have two living offspring shall be denied medical care.  The father, if known, also forfeits the right to medical care.  (Physicians or any person found rendering such services is subject to arrest, fine, imprisonment.  Please note a third conviction shall be punished with life in prison or death.) Contraception/abortions/euthanasia up to age 36 months or age 21 in case of disability or terminal illness shall be provided free of charge.
    3.  All passengers shall pay full fare on all forms of public transportation.  Obese, noticably pregnant, or oversized passengers shall pay for two seats.
    4.  All children shall attend full-time day care beginning at 14 days.  No exceptions.  Parents who keep children at home without a physician's note shall be fined double the cost of said day-care or public school per day missed.  Children shall be removed by CPS when absent in excess of five days per year.  In addition, parents risk loss of parental rights and imprisonment.
    5.  Parents shall pay double for each child over the two per family limit.  Government employees and those with salaries over $350,000 per child over the limit of two are exempt from provision 4.
    6.  The first child shall receive one free school uniform each year provided he/she attends a government approved school, is current on all required vaccines, eats an approved diet, meets physical fitness standards, does not exceed BMI limits as determined by the APA, and maintains an academic rating not lower than 80% or B.  The second child pays full price.  Children in excess of two shall pay an increase of 10% per additional child.  Privately schooled students are excluded from said provision.
    7.  Adults may bring no more than two children to museums, parks and exhibitions.  No discounts, no exceptions.
    8.  Families with excess children are not eligible for housing loans.
    9.  Families with excess children may not own land.
    10.  Families with excess children may not be employed on government-owned farms or receive agricultural subsidies.
    11.  Families with excess children may not own or establish a business.
    12.  Families with excess children may not own a home.  In addition, they may not live within the taxable confines of any city, town or settlement in excess of 10,000 persons.  
    13.  Preferential employment shall be given to socially responsible persons having no children, first, one child, second, two children, third.  Those with excess children shall be considered malingerers, and are ineligible for unemployment, government benefits, or tax rebates.  
    14.  The socially irresponsible shall withdraw excess children from educational institutions and register them for public service at age 12.  Excess children may not hold an elected position, nor work in the professions.  They may, however, express a preference for manual labour placement.
    15.  The socially irresponsible are ineligible for pensions, retirement funds, Medicare, Social Security.  They may keep no more than $1,000 in an interest bearing bank account or fund.  Their excess children shall support their parents, should they become unable to work or become injured, I'll or disabled.  The ObamaCure Program will provide free adult euthanasia at the request of any excess child over age 12.
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    « Reply #3 on: January 07, 2014, 02:04:43 AM »
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  • In Russia and Europe, their national ethnicity and national identity go hand-in-hand.  

    Therefore, more Russians, the more Russia is Russian.  

    Contrast that to America.  There is no national ethnicity, since we're all from different places in the world.  Therefore there is no national identity.  Plus, national identity is being constantly torn down by liberals.  The closest thing resembling America as a whole is seen at Wal-Mart.  

    This land is basically a big giant resource to be exploited by everyone.  That's how the North American Continent has been treated, anyway.  

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    South America for the South Americans!  Asia for the Asians!  Africa for the Africans!  The US and Europe for everybody!  

    sorry whites :(
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    « Reply #4 on: January 07, 2014, 12:49:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
    :really-mad2: :dancing-banana: The American Version
    1.  All large families will pay a 30% surcharge on utilities in excess of the monthly regional average of the two-child family.
    2.  First child under age 10 shall receive half-price for all medical expenses.  Second children will be charged full price.  Third and subsequent children shall be denied medical care.  Women pregnant who already have two living offspring shall be denied medical care.  The father, if known, also forfeits the right to medical care.  (Physicians or any person found rendering such services is subject to arrest, fine, imprisonment.  Please note a third conviction shall be punished with life in prison or death.) Contraception/abortions/euthanasia up to age 36 months or age 21 in case of disability or terminal illness shall be provided free of charge.
    3.  All passengers shall pay full fare on all forms of public transportation.  Obese, noticably pregnant, or oversized passengers shall pay for two seats.
    4.  All children shall attend full-time day care beginning at 14 days.  No exceptions.  Parents who keep children at home without a physician's note shall be fined double the cost of said day-care or public school per day missed.  Children shall be removed by CPS when absent in excess of five days per year.  In addition, parents risk loss of parental rights and imprisonment.
    5.  Parents shall pay double for each child over the two per family limit.  Government employees and those with salaries over $350,000 per child over the limit of two are exempt from provision 4.
    6.  The first child shall receive one free school uniform each year provided he/she attends a government approved school, is current on all required vaccines, eats an approved diet, meets physical fitness standards, does not exceed BMI limits as determined by the APA, and maintains an academic rating not lower than 80% or B.  The second child pays full price.  Children in excess of two shall pay an increase of 10% per additional child.  Privately schooled students are excluded from said provision.
    7.  Adults may bring no more than two children to museums, parks and exhibitions.  No discounts, no exceptions.
    8.  Families with excess children are not eligible for housing loans.
    9.  Families with excess children may not own land.
    10.  Families with excess children may not be employed on government-owned farms or receive agricultural subsidies.
    11.  Families with excess children may not own or establish a business.
    12.  Families with excess children may not own a home.  In addition, they may not live within the taxable confines of any city, town or settlement in excess of 10,000 persons.  
    13.  Preferential employment shall be given to socially responsible persons having no children, first, one child, second, two children, third.  Those with excess children shall be considered malingerers, and are ineligible for unemployment, government benefits, or tax rebates.  
    14.  The socially irresponsible shall withdraw excess children from educational institutions and register them for public service at age 12.  Excess children may not hold an elected position, nor work in the professions.  They may, however, express a preference for manual labour placement.
    15.  The socially irresponsible are ineligible for pensions, retirement funds, Medicare, Social Security.  They may keep no more than $1,000 in an interest bearing bank account or fund.  Their excess children shall support their parents, should they become unable to work or become injured, I'll or disabled.  The ObamaCure Program will provide free adult euthanasia at the request of any excess child over age 12.


    Where did you get this?

    I thought you were single.

    A few of the points I can understand (being charged more for 2 seats if you're not skinny enough) but large families being  not allowed to own land? Not allowed to own a home? That's not even funny in a satire sort of way.

    In my experience (feel free to dismiss; I only have 5 children myself) the government is more "generous" when you have a large family. So the part about healthcare, etc. I don't follow at all.

    Most of the large families I know live in homes they bought (or built), on acreage.

    And regarding "Those with excess children shall be considered malingerers, and are ineligible for unemployment, government benefits, or tax rebates."

    What are you smoking?  
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    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 11:30:39 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Hello!  I'm being sarcastic and ridiculous.  Sorry if offended.  It's New York (City) humor.  Yes, I am single, no children.  BTW, I'd be charged for two seats!
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    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2014, 12:06:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    In Russia and Europe, their national ethnicity and national identity go hand-in-hand.  

    Therefore, more Russians, the more Russia is Russian.  

    Contrast that to America.  There is no national ethnicity, since we're all from different places in the world.  Therefore there is no national identity.  Plus, national identity is being constantly torn down by liberals.  The closest thing resembling America as a whole is seen at Wal-Mart.  

    This land is basically a big giant resource to be exploited by everyone.  That's how the North American Continent has been treated, anyway.  

    - - -

    South America for the South Americans!  Asia for the Asians!  Africa for the Africans!  The US and Europe for everybody!  

    sorry whites :(


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    « Reply #7 on: January 08, 2014, 12:46:37 AM »
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  • No one in the U.S. is allowed to own anything save what they can carry with them as it is. Anyone who would dispute this can try the interesting experiment of not paying their rent, sorry I mean "property taxes" to the extortionists & find out what happens next. It's the same with everything, in fact if they haven't expressly commanded that something be done there's a very good chance that that something is categorically forbidden. It's all for them & their masters. That's why it's best to do no more than duty requires, after that is done one ought to enjoy life, read some interesting books, listen to nice music, have a drop of fine Polish vodka. It'll all be over soon enough anyhow. The general population is about as bad as the tyrants who rule them, just stay away from the open sewer of this modern society & one will be reasonably happy. As for anyone who would say "we've got to do something to put it right!" I would ask what that would be. No amount of paint & ornaments will make a pile of rotting dung into a beautiful palace. In the short span of years any of us writing here have to live it will only worsen. Criminal though he was I've always liked Kelly's last words "Oh well, I suppose it had to come to this....such is life." Indeed, such is life. As Bishop Williamson said, (paraphrasing him) all that matters is that we die a good death.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 08, 2014, 01:33:59 AM »
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  • Try claiming those things in Russia. :roll-laugh2:  By the time you have dealt with their bureaucracy you will wish you hadn't bothered.

    Russia is not a large family friendly place.  Where are you going to live for a start?  All the apartments are built for 1 and 2 child families.  There are no houses that you can afford inside the city limits unless you're making a six figure salary.  If you move out of town you cannot commute for 6 months of the year because of snow and ice which are not cleared.

    If you are a writer or have investment income to fall back on great, but large families in Russia are as rare as rockin-horse poop in reality so of course the government can afford to offer fantastic benefits because they rarely pay them.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 08, 2014, 08:48:37 AM »
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  • This is how it works in "family friendly" Russia and the rest of the former Soviet Union when you have kids or want public services.

    The only former Soviet countries that are not corrupt like this are Estonia and one or two others.



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    « Reply #10 on: January 08, 2014, 11:41:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Frances
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    Hello!  I'm being sarcastic and ridiculous.  Sorry if offended.  It's New York (City) humor.  Yes, I am single, no children.  BTW, I'd be charged for two seats!


    I'm not offended at all...just scratching my head as to why you think that's funny, and certainly not laughing at your "joke" myself.

    Some things are "funny because it's true", or "funny because it's almost true".
    Making fun of Apple releasing an expensive toaster or something is an example of this -- we recognize all too much truth in it, so we laugh.
    When some characters in Veggie Tales make fun of Starbucks, advertising a coffee shop slogan, "Why pay a little for coffee, when you can pay a lot." is funny for this reason.

    Other things are "ironic" funny -- funny because it's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what is true or what we'd expect. Groundskeeper Willie (from The Simpsons, for those not familiar) ripping off his clothes to reveal a muscular chest and six-pack is an example of this. He seems older and kind of hunched over when he has his clothes on.

    Your post in question was neither.

    You start out with a kind of satire, so I'm expecting "funny because it's true" or an exaggeration of what is true. But then you threw out (among other things) the suggestion that the government is (or is close to) not giving any benefits to larger families.

    That comes across as ignorant to me, not funny. Sorry I'm not a better sport! :)

    I guess your clumsy combination of exaggeration, satire and irony just didn't work.

    I just wanted to point out that you must not have much experience in this regard, because you're way off in your satire.

    I guess some people should put down the seltzer water, rubber chicken and clown nose before someone gets hurt. Not everyone is funny, though many people try. :)
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    « Reply #11 on: January 08, 2014, 11:55:24 AM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:You would have to had grown up among atheistic Jewish physicists' children in Brooklyn.  
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    « Reply #12 on: January 08, 2014, 02:45:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: LaramieHirsch
    In Russia and Europe, their national ethnicity and national identity go hand-in-hand.  

    Therefore, more Russians, the more Russia is Russian.  

    Contrast that to America.  There is no national ethnicity, since we're all from different places in the world.  Therefore there is no national identity.  Plus, national identity is being constantly torn down by liberals.  The closest thing resembling America as a whole is seen at Wal-Mart.  

    This land is basically a big giant resource to be exploited by everyone.  That's how the North American Continent has been treated, anyway.  

    - - -

    South America for the South Americans!  Asia for the Asians!  Africa for the Africans!  The US and Europe for everybody!  

    sorry whites :(


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