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Rothbards idiotic defense of libertarianism
« on: July 27, 2013, 06:59:40 PM »
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  • This article is why I despise libertarians. :wink:

    Note: This article should not be seen as a defense of Reagan's policies but rather the insanity of the liberatarian doctrine. :wink:

    "Eight years, eight dreary, miserable, mind-numbing years, the years
    of the Age of Reagan, are at long last coming to an end. These
    years have surely left an ominous legacy for the future: we shall
    undoubtedly suffer from the after-shocks of Reaganism for years
    to come. But at least Himself will not be there, and without the
    man Reagan, without what has been called his "charisma,"
    Reaganism cannot nearly be the same. Reagan's heirs and assigns
    are a pale shadow of the Master, as we can see from the performance
    of George Bush. He might try to imitate the notes of Reagan, but
    the music just ain't there. Only this provides a glimmer of hope
    for America: that Reaganism might not survive much beyond Reagan.

    Reagan the Man

    Many recent memoirs have filled out the details of what some of us
    have long suspected: that Reagan is basically a cretin who, as
    a long-time actor, is skilled in reading his assigned lines and
    performing his assigned tasks. Donald Regan and others have commented
    on Ronald Reagan's strange passivity, his never asking questions
    or offering any ideas of his own, his willingness to wait until
    others place matters before him. Regan has also remarked that
    Reagan is happiest when following the set schedule that others
    have placed before him. The actor, having achieved at last the
    stardom that had eluded him in Hollywood, reads the lines and
    performs the action that others – his script-writers, his
    directors – have told him to follow.

    Sometimes, Reagan's retentive memory – important for an actor –
    gave his handlers trouble. Evidently lacking the capacity for
    reasoned thought, Reagan's mind is filled with anecdotes, most
    of them dead wrong, that he has soaked up over the years in the
    course of reading Reader's Digest or at idle conversation.
    Once an anecdote enters Reagan's noodle, it is set in concrete
    and impossible to correct or dislodge. (Consider, for example,
    the famous story about the "Chicago welfare queen":
    all wrong, but Reagan carried on regardless.)

    In the early years of Reagan rule, the press busily checked out Reagan's
    beloved anecdotes, and found that almost every one of them was
    full of holes. But Reagan never veered from his course. Why? God
    knows there are plenty of correct stories about welfare cheats
    that he could have clasped to his bosom; why stick to false ones?
    Evidently, the reason is that Reagan cares little about reality;
    he lives in his own Hollywood fantasy world, a world of myth,
    a world in which it is always Morning in America, a world where
    The Flag is always flying, but where Welfare Cheats mar the contentment
    of the Land of Oz. So who cares if the actual story is
    wrong? Let it stand, like a Hollywood story, as a surrogate for
    the welfare cheats whom everyone knows do exist.

    The degree to which Reagan is out of touch with reality was best demonstrated
    in his cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ story. This was not simply a slip of
    the tongue, a Bushian confusion of December with September. When
    the Premier of Israel visited Reagan at the White House, the President
    went on and on for three quarters of an hour explaining why he
    was pro-Jєωιѕн: it was because, being in the Signal Corps in World
    War II, he visited Buchenwald shortly after the nαzι defeat and
    helped to take films of that camp. Reagan repeated this story
    the following day to an Israeli ambassador. But the truth was
    180-degrees different; Reagan was not in Europe; he never saw
    a cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ; he spent the entire war in the safety of
    Hollywood, making films for the armed forces.

    Well, what are we to make of this incident? This little saga stayed
    in the back pages of the press. By that point the media had realized
    that virtually nothing – no fact, no dark deed – could
    ever stick to the Teflon President. (Iran-Contra shook
    things up a bit, but in a few months even that was forgotten.)

    There are only two ways to interpret the cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ story. Perhaps
    Reagan engaged in a bald-faced lie. But why? What would he have
    to gain? Especially after the lie was found out, as it soon would
    be. The only other way to explain this incident, and a
    far more plausible one, is that Ronnie lacks the capacity to distinguish
    fantasy from reality. He would, at least in retrospect, have liked
    to be filming at Buchenwald. Certainly, it made a better story
    than the facts. But what are we to call a man who cannot distinguish
    fantasy from reality?

    It is surely frightening to think that the most powerful position
    in the world has been held for eight years by a man who cannot
    tell fact from fancy. Even more frightening is the defection of
    the media, who early lost heart and played the role of a submissive
    receptacle for photo opportunities and press-release handouts.
    One reason for this defection was the discovery of Reagan's Teflon
    nature. Another likely reason was that journalists who were too
    feisty and independent would be deprived of their precious access
    to the Presidential plane or to inside scoops or leaks from the
    White House. And a third reason was probably the desire not to
    dwell on the vital and hair-raising fact that the President of
    the United States, "the leader of the free world" and
    all that jazz, is nothing more than a demented half-wit.

    But why the Teflon? Because of the incredible love affair that Ronald
    Reagan has enjoyed with the American people. In all my years of
    fascination with American politics (my early childhood memories
    are couched in terms of who was President or who was Mayor of
    New York City or who won what election), I have never seen anything
    remotely like it. Anyone else universally beloved? Franklin D.
    Roosevelt was worshipped, to be sure, by most of the American
    electorate, but there was always a large and magnificent minority
    who detested every inch of his guts. Truman? He was almost universally
    reviled in his time; he has only been made an icon in retrospect
    by the conservative movement. Jack Kennedy, too, is only a hero
    now that he has been safely interred; before his assassination
    he was cordially detested by all conservatives. Nobody ever loved
    Nixon. The closest to universal lovability was Ike, and even he
    did not inspire the intense devotion accorded to Ronnie Reagan;
    with Ike it was more of a tranquilized sense of peace and contentment.

    But with Reagan, it has been pure love: every nod of the head; every
    wistful "We-e-ll," every dumb and flawed anecdote, every
    snappy salute, sends virtually every American into ecstasy. From
    all corners of the land came the cry, "I don't like his policies
    very much, but I lo-o-ve the man." Only a few malcontents,
    popping up here and there, in a few obscure corners of the land,
    emerged as dedicated and bitter opponents. As one of this tiny
    minority I can testify that it was a lonely eight years, even
    within the ranks of the libertarian movement. Sometimes I
    felt like a lone and unheeded prophet, bringing the plain truth
    to those who refused to understand. Very often I would be at free-market
    gatherings, from living rooms to conferences, and I would go on
    and on about the deficiencies of Reagan's policies and person,
    and would be met with responses like "Well of course, he's
    not a PhD."

    Me: "No, no, that's not the point. The man is a blithering idiot.
    He makes Warren Harding tower like Aristotle."

    Responder: "Ronald Reagan has made us feel good about America."

    Perhaps that's part of the explanation for the torrent of unconditional
    love that the American public has poured onto Ronald Reagan. Lost
    in Hollywood loony-land, Ronnie's sincere optimism struck a responsive
    chord in the American masses. The ominous fact that he "made
    us" feel good about the American State and not just about
    the country is lost even on many libertarians.

    But, in that case, why didn't Hubert Humphrey's egregious "politics
    of joy" evoke the same all-inclusive love? I don't know the
    answer, but I'm convinced it's not simply because Hubert was captive
    to the dreaded "L-word' whereas Ronnie is a conservative.
    It's lot deeper than that. One of the remarkably Teflon qualities
    of Reagan is that, even after many years as President, he is still
    able to act as if he were totally separate from the actions of
    the government. He can still denounce the government in the same
    ringing terms he used when he was out of power. And he gets
    away with it, probably because inside his head, he is still
    Ronnie Reagan, the mother of anti-government anecdotes as lecturer
    for General Electric.

    In a deep sense, Reagan has not been a functioning part of
    the government for eight years. Off in Cloud-Cuckoo-Land he is
    the obedient actor who recites his lines and plays his appointed
    part. Some commentators have been critical of Reagan for napping
    in the afternoons, for falling asleep at crucial meetings, for
    taking long vacations at his beloved ranch. Well, why not? What
    else does he have to do? Reagan doesn't actually have to do
    anything; like Peter Sellers in his last film, all he has
    to do is be there, the beloved icon, giving his vital sanction
    to the governmental process.

    Reagan's handlers perceived early on that one threat to Reagan's Teflon
    rule would be allowing him to mix it up with members of the press.
    Away from his teleprompter, Ronnie was a real problem. So very
    soon, any sort of real press conference, including uninhibited
    questions and answers, was done away with. The only press "conferences"
    became shouted questions as Reagan walked quickly to and from
    the White House helicopter. One of his handlers has written that,
    despite all efforts, they couldn't stop Reagan from exercising
    one peculiar personality trait: his compulsion to answer every
    question that he hears. But fortunately, not much was risked,
    since the noise of the helicopter engines would drown out most
    of the repartee.

    The worst moment for the Reagan handlers came, of course during the
    first debate with Mondale in 1984. For one glorious moment, during
    the give and take of the debate, the real Reagan emerged:
    confused, befuddled, out of it. It was a shaky moment, but all
    the handlers needed to do was to reassure the shocked masses that
    their beloved President was still sentient, was still there
    to be a totem to his flock. The handlers blamed Reagan's showing
    on "over coaching" they made sure that he slept a lot
    just before the second debate, and they fed him a snappy mock
    self-deprecating one-liner about his age. The old boy could still
    remember his jokes: he got off his lovable crack, and the American
    masses, with a sigh of relief, clasped him to their bosoms once
    again.

    The Reagan Years: Libertarian Rhetoric, Statist Policies

    How did Reagan manage to pursue egregiously statist policies in the
    name of liberty and of "getting government off our backs?"
    How was he able to follow this course of deception and mendacity?

    Don't try to get Ronnie off the hook by blaming Congress. Like the general
    public – and all too many libertarians – Congress was
    merely a passive receptacle for Ronnie's wishes. Congress passed
    the Reagan budgets with a few marginal adjustments here and there
    – and gave him virtually all the legislation, and ratified
    all the personnel, he wanted. For one Bork there are thousands
    who made it. The last eight years have been a Reagan Administration
    for the Gipper to make or break.

    There was no "Reagan Revolution." Any "revolution"
    in the direction of liberty (in Ronnie's words "to get government
    off our backs") would reduce the total level of government
    spending. And that means reduce in absolute terms, not
    as proportion of the gross national product, or corrected for
    inflation, or anything else. There is no divine commandment that
    the federal government must always be at least as great
    a proportion of the national product as it was in 1980. If the
    government was a monstrous swollen Leviathan in 1980, as libertarians
    were surely convinced, as the inchoate American masses were apparently
    convinced and as Reagan and his cadre claimed to believe, then
    cutting government spending was in order. At the very least, federal
    government spending should have been frozen, in absolute terms,
    so that the rest of the economy would be allowed to grow in contrast.
    Instead, Ronald Reagan cut nothing, even in the heady first year,
    1981.

    At
    first, the only "cut" was in Carter's last-minute loony-tunes
    estimates for the future. But in a few short years, Reagan's spending
    surpassed even Carter's irresponsible estimates. Instead, Reagan
    not only increased government spending by an enormous amount –
    so enormous that it would take a 40 percent cut to bring us back
    to Carter's wild spending totals of 1980 – he even substantially
    increased the percentage of government spending to GNP. That's
    a "revolution"?

    The
    much-heralded 1981 tax cut was more than offset by two tax increases
    that year. One was "bracket creep," by which just inflation
    wafted people into higher tax brackets, so that with the same
    real income (in terms of purchasing power) people found themselves
    paying a higher proportion of their income in taxes, even though
    the official tax rate went down. The other was the usual whopping
    increase in Social Security taxes which, however, don't count,
    in the perverse semantics of our time, as "taxes"; they
    are only "insurance premiums." In the ensuing years
    the Reagan Administration has constantly raised taxes – to
    punish us for the fake tax cut of 1981 – beginning in 1982
    with the largest single tax increase in American history, costing
    taxpayers $100 billion.

    Creative
    semantics is the way in which Ronnie was able to keep his pledge
    never to raise taxes while raising them all the time. Reagan's
    handlers, as we have seen, annoyed by the stubborn old coot's
    sticking to "no new taxes," finessed the old boy by
    simply calling the phenomenon by a different name. If the Gipper
    was addled enough to fall for this trick, so did the American
    masses – and a large chuck of libertarians and self-proclaimed
    free-market economists as well! "Let's close another loophole,
    Mr. President." "We-e-ell, OK, then, so long as we're
    not raising taxes." (Definition of loophole: Any and all
    money the other guy has earned and that hasn't been taxed
    away yet. Your money, of course, has been fairly earned, and shouldn't
    be taxed further.)

    Income
    tax rates in the upper brackets have come down. But the odious
    bipartisan "loophole closing" of the Tax Reform Act
    of 1986 – an act engineered by our Jacobin egalitarian "free
    market" economists in the name of "fairness" –
    raised instead of lowered the income tax paid by most upper-income
    people. Again: what one hand of government giveth, the other taketh
    away, and then some. Thus, President-elect Bush has just abandoned
    his worthy plan to cut the capital gains tax in half, because
    it would violate the beloved tax fairness instituted by the bipartisan
    Reganite 1986 "reform."

    The
    bottom line is that tax revenues have gone up an enormous amount
    under the eight years of Reagan; the only positive thing we can
    say for them is that revenues as percentage of the gross national
    product are up only slightly since 1980. The result: the monstrous
    deficit, now apparently permanently fixed somewhere around $200
    billion, and the accompanying tripling of the total federal debt
    in the eight blessed years of the Reagan Era. Is that what the
    highly touted "Reagan Revolution" amounts to, then?
    A tripling of the national debt?

    We
    should also say a word about another of Ronnie's great "libertarian"
    accomplishments. In the late 1970's, it became obvious even to
    the man in the street that the Social Security System was bankrupt,
    kaput. For the first time in fifty years there was an excellent
    chance to get rid of the biggest single racket that acts as a
    gigantic Ponzi scheme to fleece the American taxpayer. Instead,
    Reagan brought in the famed "Randian libertarian" Alan
    Greenspan, who served as head of a bipartisan commission, performing
    the miracle of "saving Social Security" and the masses
    have rested content with the system ever since. How did he "save"
    it? By raising taxes (oops "premiums"), of course; by
    that route, the government can "save" any program. (Bipartisan:
    both parties acting in concert to put both of their hands in your
    pocket.)

    The
    way Reagan-Greenspan saved Social Security is a superb paradigm
    of Reagan's historical function in all areas of his realm; he
    acted to bail out statism and to co-opt and defuse any libertarian
    or quasi-libertarian opposition. The method worked brilliantly,
    for Social Security and other programs.

    How
    about deregulation? Didn't Ronnie at least deregulate the regulation-ridden
    economy inherited from the evil Carter? Just the opposite. The
    outstanding measures of deregulation were all passed by the Carter
    Administration, and, as is typical of that luckless President,
    the deregulation was phased in to take effect during the early
    Reagan years, so that the Gipper could claim the credit. Such
    was the story with oil and gas deregulation (which the Gipper
    did advance from September to January of 1981); airline deregulation
    and the actual abolition of the Civil Aeronautics Board, and deregulation
    of trucking. That was it.

    The
    Gipper deregulated nothing, abolished nothing. Instead of keeping
    his pledge to abolish the Departments of Energy and Education,
    he strengthened them, and even wound up his years in office adding
    a new Cabinet post, the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Overall,
    the quantity and degree of government regulation of the economy
    was greatly increased and intensified during the Reagan years.
    The hated OSHA, the scourge of small business and at the time
    the second most-hated agency of federal government (surely you
    need not ask which is the first most-hated), was not only not
    abolished; it too was strengthened and reinforced. Environmentalist
    restrictions were greatly accelerated, especially after the heady
    early years when selling off some public lands was briefly mentioned,
    and the proponents of actually using and developing locked-up
    government resources (James Watt, Anne Burford, Rita Lavelle)
    were disgraced and sent packing as a warning to any future "anti-environmentalists."

    The
    Reagan Administration, supposedly the champion of free trade,
    has been the most protectionist in American history, raising tariffs,
    imposing import quotas, and – as another neat bit of creative
    semantics – twisting the arms of the Japanese to impose "voluntary"
    export quotas on automobiles and microchips. It has made the farm
    program the most abysmal of this century: boosting price supports
    and production quotas, and paying many more billions of taxpayer
    money to farmers so that they can produce less and raise prices
    to consumers.

    And
    we should never forget a disastrous and despotic program that
    has received unanimous support from the media and from the envious
    American public: the massive witch hunt and reign of terror against
    the victimless non-crime of "insider trading." In a
    country where real criminals – muggers, rapists, and "inside"
    thieves – are allowed to run rampant, massive resources
    and publicity are directed toward outlawing the use of one's superior
    knowledge and insight in order to make profits on the market.

    In
    the course of this reign of terror, it is not surprising that
    freedom of speech was the first thing to go by the boards. Government
    spies and informers busily report conversations over martinis
    ("Hey Joe, I heard that XYZ Corp. is going to merge with
    ABC.") All this is being done by the cartelizing
    and fascistic Securities and Exchange Commission, the Department
    of Justice and its much-hailed Savanarola in New York, Rudolf
    Giuliani. All this is the work of the beloved Gipper, the "free-market,"
    "libertarian" Reagan Administration. And where are the
    "conservative libertarians"? Where are the "free
    market economists" to point this out and condemn it?

    Foreign
    aid, a vast racket by which American taxpayers are mulcted in
    order to subsidize American export firms and foreign governments
    (mostly dictatorships), has been vastly expanded under Reagan.
    The Administration also encouraged the nation's banks to inflate
    and pour money down Third World rat-holes; then bailed out the
    banks and tin-pot socialist dictatorships at the expense of U.S.
    taxpayers (via tax increases) and consumers (via inflation). Since
    the discrediting of Friedmanite monetarism by the end of the first
    Reagan term, the original monetarist policy of allowing the dollar
    to fluctuate freely has been superseded by Keynesian Secretary
    of Treasury James Baker, who has concerted with foreign central
    banks to try to freeze the dollar within various zones. The interference
    has been, as usual, futile and counterproductive, but that will
    not stop the soon-to-be even more powerful Baker from trying to
    fulfill, or at least move strongly toward, the old Keynesian dream
    of one world fiat paper currency (or at least fixed exchange rates
    of the various national currencies) issued by one world Central
    Bank – in short, economic world government.

    But
    didn't Ronnie "bring down inflation"? Sure, but he did
    it, not by some miracle, but the old-fashioned way: by the steepest
    recession (read: depression) since the 1930s. And now, as a result
    of his inflationary monetary policies, inflation is back with
    a roar – which the Teflon President will leave as one of
    his great legacies to the Bush Administration.

    And
    then there is another charming legacy: the reckless inflationary
    course, encouraged by the Reagan Administration, of the nation's
    savings-and-loan banks. Virtually the entire industry is now bankrupt,
    and FDIC – the federal agency supposedly "insuring"
    S&L depositors – is bankrupt. Instead of allowing the
    banks and their deluded depositors to pay the price of their profligacy,
    everyone of both parties, including our "free-market"
    Reaganauts, is prepared to use taxpayer money or the printing
    press to bail out the entire industry – to the tune of an
    estimated 50 to 100 billion dollars. (These estimates, by the
    way, come from government sources, which notoriously underestimate
    future costs of their programs.)

    I
    have been cleaving to the strictly economic realm because even
    the staunchest pro-Reagan libertarian will not dare to claim that
    Ronnie has been a blessing for civil liberties. On the contrary.
    In addition to his reign of terror on Wall Street (who cares about
    the civil liberties of stock traders anyway?), Reagan worked to
    escalate toward infinity the insane "war against drugs."
    Far from the 1970s movement toward repealing marijuana laws, an
    ever greater flow of men and resources – countless billions
    of dollars – are being hysterically poured into combating
    a drug "problem" that clearly gets worse in direct proportion
    to the intensity of the "war."

    The
    outbreak of drug fascism, moreover, is a superb illustration of
    the interconnectedness of civil liberty and economic freedom.
    Under cover of combating drugs, the government has cracked down
    on our economic and financial privacy, so that carrying cash has
    become prima fade evidence of "laundering" drug
    money. And so the government steps up its long-cherished campaign
    to get people to abstain from cash and into using government-controlled
    banks. The government is already insinuating foreign exchange
    controls – now the legal obligation to "report"
    large amounts of cash taken out of the country – into our
    personal and economic life.

    And
    every day more evil drugs are being found that must be denounced
    and outlawed: the latest is the dread menace of anabolic steroids.
    As part of this futile war, we are being urged by the Reaganites
    to endure compulsory urine testing (supervised, of course, since
    otherwise the testee might be able to purchase and substitute
    black market drug-free urine). In this grotesque proposal, government
    is not only not off our backs, it is now also insisting
    on joining us in the bathroom.

    And
    in the bedroom, too, if Ronnie has his way. Although abortion
    is not yet illegal, it is not for lack of effort by the Reagan
    Administration. The relentless Reaganite drive to conservatize
    the judiciary will likely recriminalize abortion soon, making
    criminals out of millions of American women each year. George
    Bush, for less than twenty-four glorious hours, was moved to take
    a consistent position: if abortion is murder, then all women who
    engage in abortion are murderers. But it took only a day for his
    handlers to pull George back from the abyss of logic, and to advocate
    only criminalizing the doctors, the hired hands of the women who
    get abortions.

    Perhaps
    the Gipper cannot be directly blamed – but certainly he has
    set the moral climate – for the increasingly savage Puritanism
    of the 1980s: the virtual outlawry of smoking, the escalating
    prohibition of pornography, even the partial bringing back of
    Prohibition (outlawing drunken driving, raising the legal drinking
    age to 21, making bartenders – or friendly hosts – legally
    responsible for someone else's drunken driving, etc.).

    Under
    Reagan, the civil liberties balance has been retipped in favor
    of the government and against the people: restricting our freedom
    to obtain government docuмents under the Freedom of Information
    Act and stepping up the penalties on privately printed and disseminated
    news about activities of the government, on the one hand; more
    "freedom" for our runaway secret police, the CIA, to
    restrict the printing of news, and to wiretap private individuals,
    on the other. And to cap its hypocrisy, as it escalated its war
    on drugs, the Reagan Administration looked the other way on drug
    running by its own CIA.

    On
    foreign policy, the best we can say about Ronnie is that he did
    not launch World War III. Apart from that, his foreign policy
    was a series of murdering blunders:

    His
    idiotic know-nothing intervention into the cauldron of Lebanon,
    resulting in the murder of several hundred US Marines.
    His
    failed attempt – lauded by Reaganites ever since –
    to murder Colonel Khadafy by an air strike – and succeeding
    instead in slaying his baby daughter, after which our media
    sneered at Khadafy for looking haggard, and commented that
    the baby was "only adopted."
    His
    stumblebum intervention into the Persian Gulf, safeguarding
    oil tankers of countries allied to Iraq in the Iraq–Iran
    war. (Ironically, the US. imports practically no oil from
    the Gulf, unlike Western Europe and Japan, where there was
    no hysteria and who certainly sent no warships to the Gulf.)
    In one of the most bizarre events in the history of warfare,
    the Iraqi sinking of the U.S.S. Stark was dismissed instantly
    – and without investigation, and in the teeth of considerable
    evidence to the contrary – as an "accident,"
    followed immediately by blaming Iran (and using the
    sinking as an excuse to step up our pro-Iraq intervention
    in the war). This was followed by a US warship's sinking of
    a civilian Iranian airliner, murdering hundreds of civilians,
    and blaming – you guessed it! – the Iranian government
    for this catastrophe. More alarming than these actions of
    the Reagan Administration was the supine and pusillanimous
    behavior of the media, in allowing the Gipper to get away
    with all this.
    As
    we all know only too well, the height of Reagan's Teflon qualities
    came with Iran-Contra. At the time, I navely thought that the
    scandal would finish the bastard off. But no one saw anything
    wrong with the Administration's jailing private arms salesmen
    to Iran, while at the very same time engaging in arms sales to
    Iran itself. In Reagan's America, apparently anything,
    any crookery, any aggression or mass murder, is OK if allegedly
    performed for noble, patriotic motives. Only personal greed is
    considered a no-no.

    I
    have not yet mentioned the great foreign-policy triumph of the
    Reagan Administration: the invasion and conquest of tiny Grenada,
    a pitiful little island-country with no army, air force, or navy.
    A "rescue" operation was launched to save US medical
    students who never sought our deliverance. Even though the enemy
    consisted of a handful of Cuban construction workers, it still
    took us a week to finish the Grenadans off, during the course
    of which the three wings of our armed forces tripped over each
    other and our military distinguished itself by bombing a Grenadan
    hospital. The operation was as much a botch as the Carter attempt
    to rescue the American hostages. The only difference was that
    this time the enemy was helpless.

    But
    we won didn't we? Didn't we redeem the US loss in Vietnam
    and allow America to "stand tall"? Yes, we did win.
    We beat up on a teeny country; and even botched that! If
    that is supposed to make Americans stand tall, then far
    better we sit short. Anyway, it's about time we learned that
    Short is Beautiful.

    The
    US war against the Sandinistas on the other hand, which
    has been conducted at enormous expense and waged hand-in-hand
    with Guatemalan, Honduran, and Salvadoran dictators, is going
    down the drain, despite illegal CIA mining of harbors and injury
    to neutral shipping. Even the nearly comatose American public
    is giving up on the idea of supporting bandit guerrillas, so long
    as they are anti-Communist, despite the best efforts of Ollie
    and Secord and Singlaub and Abrams and all the rest of the war
    crowd.

    The
    Reagan Administration's continued aid and support to Pol Pot in
    Cambodia, the most genocidal butcher of our time, is more reprehensible
    but less visible to most Americans. As a result, Pol Pot's thugs
    are mobilizing at this very moment on the Thai border to return
    and take over Cambodia as soon as the Vietnamese pull out, presumably
    to renew their bizarre mass murders. But you see, that's okay
    with the Reaganites because the Cambodian Commies are guerrilla
    fighters against the Vietnamese (pro-Soviet) Commies, who
    by definition are evil. Pol Pot's butchers as "freedom fighters"
    show us that, in the arsenal of the Reaganite Right, "freedom,"
    like "taxes" and many other crucial words, means, as
    in the case of Humpty Dumpty, whatever they choose it
    to.

    Grenada
    was the perfect war as far as many conservatives (and apparently
    much of the American public) were concerned: it was quick and
    easy to win, with virtually no risk of loss, and allowed ample
    opportunities to promote the military (and their Commander-in-Chief)
    as heroes while bragging up the victory on television – in
    short, allowing the U.S. to glory in its status as a bully. (It
    helped eradicate the awful memory of Vietnam, which was the perfect
    war for American centrist liberals: virtually impossible to win,
    horribly expensive in terms of men and property – and best
    of all, it could go on forever without resolution, like the War
    on Poverty, fueling their sense of guilt while providing safe
    but exciting jobs for members of their techno-bureaucratic class.)

    While
    the American masses do not want war with Russia or even aid to
    the bandit Contras, they do want an ever-expanding military
    and other aggravated symbols of a "strong," "tough"
    America, an America that will, John Wayne-like, stomp on teeny
    pests like Commie Grenada, or, perhaps, any very small island
    that might possess the tone and the ideology of the Ayatollah.

    Setting
    the Stage: The Anti-Government Rebellion of the 1970s

    I
    am convinced that the historic function of Ronald Reagan was to
    co-opt, eviscerate and ultimately destroy the substantial wave
    of anti-governmental, and quasi-libertarian, sentiment that erupted
    in the U.S. during the 1970s. Did he perform this task consciously?
    Surely too difficult a feat for a man barely compos. No,
    Reagan was wheeled into performing this task by his Establishment
    handlers.

    The
    task of co-optation needed to be done because the 1970s, particularly
    1973–75, were marked by an unusual and striking conjunction
    of crisis – crises that fed on each other to lead to a sudden
    and cuмulative disillusionment with the federal government. It
    was this symbiosis of anti-government reaction that led me to
    develop my "case for libertarian optimism" during the
    mid-1970's, in the expectation of a rapid escalation of libertarian
    influence in America.

    1973–74
    saw the abject failure of the Nixon wage-price control program,
    and the development of something Keynesians assumed could never
    happen: the combination of double-digit inflation and a
    severe recession. High unemployment and high inflation happened
    again, even more intensely, during the greater recession of 1979–82.
    Since Keynesianism rests on the idea that government should pump
    in spending during recessions and take out spending during inflationary
    booms, what happens when both occur at the same time? As
    Rand would say: Blankout! There is no answer. And so, there was
    disillusionment in the government's handling of the macro-economy,
    deepening during the accelerating inflation of the 1970s and the
    beginnings of recession in 1979.

    At
    the same time, people began to be fed up, increasingly and vocally,
    with high taxes: income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, you
    name it. Especially in the West, an organized tax rebel movement
    developed, with its own periodicals and organizations However
    misguided strategically, the spread of the tax rebellion signaled
    a growing disillusion with big government. I was privileged to
    be living in California during the election year of 1978, when
    Proposition 13 was passed. It was a genuinely inspiring sight.
    In the face of hysterical opposition and smears from the entire
    California Establishment Democratic and Republican, Big Business
    and labor, academia, economists, and all of the press the
    groundswell for Prop 13 burgeoned. Everyone was against it but
    the people. If the eventual triumph of Ronald Reagan is the best
    case against "libertarian populism," Prop. 13 was the
    best case in its favor.

    Also
    exhilarating was the smashing defeat of US imperialism in Vietnam
    in 1975 – exhilarating because this first loss of a war by
    the United States, many of us believed, was bound to get Americans
    to rethink the disastrous warmongering bipartisan foreign policy
    that had plagued us since the unlamented days of Woodrow Wilson.

    On
    the civil liberties front, the de facto legalization of
    marijuana was a sign that the nonsense of drug prohibition would
    soon be swept away. (Ye gods! Was that only a decade ago?)
    Inflationary recession; high taxes; prohibition laws; defeat in
    foreign war; across the board, the conditions seemed admirable
    for a growing and triumphant libertarianism.

    And
    to top it off, the Watergate crisis (my particular favorite) destroyed
    the trust of the American masses in the Presidency. For the first
    time in over a hundred years, the concept of impeachment of
    the President became, first thinkable, and then a living and glorious
    process. For a while, I feared that Jimmy Carter, with his lovable
    cardigan sweater, would restore Americans' faith in their president,
    but soon that fear proved groundless.

    Surely,
    it is no accident that it was precisely in this glorious and sudden
    anti-government surge that libertarian ideas and libertarian scholarship
    began to spread rapidly in the United States. And it was in 1971
    that the tiny Libertarian Party emerged, in 1972 that its first,
    embryonic presidential candidacy was launched, and 1973 when its
    first important race was run, for mayor of New York City. The
    Libertarian Party continued to grow rapidly, almost exponentially,
    during the 1970s, reaching a climax with the Clark campaign for
    governor of California during the Prop 13 year of 1978, and with
    the Clark campaign for the Presidency in 1980. The morning my
    first article on libertarianism appeared in the New York
    Times in 1971, a very bright editor at Macmillan, Tom Mandel,
    called me and asked me to write a book on the subject (it was
    to become For
    a New Liberty). Not a libertarian himself, Mandel
    told me that he believed that libertarianism would become a very
    important ideology in a few years – and he turned out to
    be right.

    So
    libertarianism was on a roll in the 1970s. And then Something
    Happened.

    Enter
    the Neocons

    What
    happened was Ronald Wilson Blithering Reagan. Obviously Reagan
    did not suddenly descend out of the clouds in 1980. He had been
    the cherished candidate of the conservative movement, its chosen
    route to power, ever since Goldwater's defeat. Goldwater was too
    blunt and candid, too much an unhandleable Real Person. What was
    needed was a lovable, manipulable icon. Moreover, Goldwater's
    principles were too hard-edged: he was way too much a domestic
    libertarian, and he was too much an eager warmonger. Both his
    libertarianism and his passion for nuclear confrontation with
    the Soviet Union scared the bejesus out of the American masses,
    as well as the more astute leadership of the conservative movement.

    A
    reconstituted conservative movement would have to drop any libertarian
    ideology or concrete policies, except to provide a woolly
    and comfortable mood for suitably gaseous anti-government
    rhetoric and an improved foreign policy that would make sure that
    many more billions would go into the military-industrial complex,
    to step up global pressure against Communism, but avoiding
    an actual nuclear war. This last point was important: As much
    as they enjoy the role of the bully, neither the Establishment
    nor the American people want to risk nuclear war, which might,
    after all, blow them up as well. Once again, Ronnie Reagan looked
    like the Answer.

    Two
    important new ingredients entered into, and helped reshape, the
    conservative movement during the mid 1970's. One was the emergence
    of a small but vocal and politically powerful group of neo-conservatives
    (neocons), who were able, in a remarkably short time, to seize
    control of the think tanks, the opinion-molding institutions,
    and finally the politics, of the conservative movement. As ex-liberals,
    the neocons were greeted as important new converts from the enemy.
    More importantly, as ex-Trotskyites, the neocons were veteran
    politicos and organizers, schooled in Marxian cadre organizing
    and in manipulating the levers of power. They were shrewdly eager
    to place their own people in crucial opinion molding and money-raising
    positions, and in ousting those not willing to submit to the neocon
    program. Understanding the importance of financial support, the
    neocons knew how to sucker Old Right businessmen into giving them
    the monetary levers at their numerous foundations and think tanks.
    In contrast to free-market economists, for example, the neocons
    were eager to manipulate patriotic symbols and ethical doctrines,
    doing the microequivalent of Reagan and Bush's wrapping themselves
    in the American Flag. Wrapping themselves, also, in such patriotic
    symbols as The Framers and the Constitution, as well as Family
    Values, the neocons were easily able to outflank free-market types
    and keep them narrowly confined to technical economic issues.
    In short the neocons were easily able to seize the moral and patriotic
    "high ground."

    The
    only group willing and able to challenge the neocons on their
    own moralizing on philosophic turf was, of course, the tiny handful
    of libertarians; and outright moral libertarianism, with its opposition
    to statism, theocracy, and foreign war, could never hope to get
    to first base with conservative businessmen, who, even at the
    best of times during the Old Right era, had never been happy about
    individual personal liberty, (e.g. allowing prostitution, pornography,
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, or drugs) or with the libertarians' individualism
    and conspicuous lack of piety toward the Pentagon, or toward the
    precious symbol of the Nation-State, the US flag.

    The
    neocons were (and remain today) New Dealers, as they frankly describe
    themselves, remarkably without raising any conservative eyebrows.
    They are what used to be called, in more precise ideological days,
    "extreme right-wing Social Democrats." In other words,
    they are still Roosevelt-Truman-Kennedy-Humphrey Democrats. Their
    objective, as they moved (partially) into the Republican Party
    and the conservative movement, was to reshape it to become,
    with minor changes, a Roosevelt-Truman-etc. movement; that
    is, a liberal movement shorn of the dread "L" word and
    of post-McGovern liberalism. To verify this point all we have
    to do is note how many times Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, et
    al., properly reviled by conservatives while they were alive,
    are now lauded, even canonized, by the current neocon-run movement,
    from Ronnie Reagan on down. And no one calls them on this Orwellian
    revision of conservative movement history.

    As
    statists-to-the-core the neocons had no problem taking the lead
    in crusades to restrict individual liberties, whether it be
    in the name of rooting out "subversives," or of inculcating
    broadly religious ("ʝʊdɛօ-Christian") or moral values.
    They were happy to form a cozy alliance with the Moral Majority,
    the mass of fundamentalists who entered the arena of conservative
    politics in the mid-1970s. The fundamentalists were goaded out
    of their quietist millenarian dreams (e.g., the imminent approach
    of Armageddon) and into conservative political action by the accuмulation
    of moral permissivism in American life. The legalization of abortion
    in Roe v. Wade was undoubtedly the trigger, but this decision
    came on top of a cuмulative effect of the sɛҳuąƖ revolution, the
    militant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ movement "out of the closet" and
    into the streets, the spread of pornography, and the visible decay
    of the public school system. The entry of the Moral Majority transformed
    American politics, not the least by furnishing the elite cadre
    of neocons with a mass base to guide and manipulate.

    In
    economic matter, the neocons showed no more love of liberty, though
    this is obscured by the fact that the neocons wish to trim the
    welfare state of its post-Sixties excrescences, particularly since
    these were largely designed to aid black people. What the neocons
    want is a smaller, more "efficient" welfare state, within
    which bounds they would graciously allow the market to operate.
    The market is acceptable as a narrow instrumental device; their
    view of private property and the free market is essentially identical
    to Gorbachev's in the Soviet Union.

    Why
    did the Right permit itself to be bamboozled by the neocons? Largely
    because the conservatives had been inexorably drifting Stateward
    in the same manner. In response to the crushing defeat of Goldwater,
    the Right had become ever less libertarian and less principled,
    and ever more attuned to the "responsibilities" and
    moderations of Power. It is a far cry from three decades ago when
    Bill Buckley used to say that he too is an "anarchist"
    but that we have to put off all thoughts of liberty until the
    "international Communist conspiracy" is crushed. Those
    old Chodorovian libertarian days are long gone, and so is National
    Review as any haven for libertarian ideas. War mongering,
    militarism, theocracy, and limited "free" markets –
    this is really what Buckleyism amounted to by the late 1970s.

    The
    burgeoning neocons were able to confuse and addle the Democratic
    Party by breaking with the Carter Administration, at the same
    time militantly and successfully pressuring it from within. The
    neocons formed two noisy front groups, the Coalition for a Democratic
    Majority and the Committee on the Present Danger. By means of
    these two interlocking groups and their unusual access to influential
    media, the neocons were able to pressure the Carter Administration
    into breaking the détente with Russia over the Afghanistan
    imbroglio and influencing Carter to get rid of the dove Cyrus
    Vance as Secretary of State and to put foreign policy power into
    the hands of the Polish émigré hawk and Rockefeller
    Trilateralist, Zbigniew Brzezinski. In the meantime, the neocons
    pushed the hysterically hawkish CIA "B" Team report,
    wailing about alleged Soviet nuclear superiority, which in turn
    paved the way for the vast gift of spending handed to the military-industrial
    complex by the incoming Regan Administration. The Afghanistan
    and "B" Team hysterias, added to the humiliation by
    the Ayatollah, managed not only to kill off the bedeviled Carter
    Administration, but also to put the boots to non-intervention
    and to prepare the nation for a scrapping of the "post-Vietnam
    syndrome" and a return to the warmongering of the pre-Vietnam
    Era.

    The
    Reagan candidacy of 1980 was brilliantly designed to weld a coalition
    providing the public's instinctive anti-government mood with sweeping,
    but wholly nonspecific, libertarian rhetoric, as a convenient
    cover for the diametrically opposite policies designed to satisfy
    the savvy and politically effective members of that coalition:
    the neocons, the Buckleyite cons, the Moral Majority, the Rockefellers,
    the military-industrial complex, and the various Establishment
    special interests always clustering at the political trough.

    Intellectual
    Corruption

    In
    the face of the stark record, how were the Reaganites able to
    get away with it? Where did Ronnie get his thick coat of Teflon?
    Why was he able to follow statist policies and yet convince everyone,
    including many alleged libertarians, that he was successfully
    pursuing a "revolution" to get government off our backs?

    The
    essential answer was provided a century ago by Lysander Spooner.
    Why does the public obey the State, and go further to endorse
    statist policies that benefit the Power Elite at the public's
    own expense? The answer, wrote Spooner, is that the State is supported
    by three powerful groups: knaves, who know what is going on and
    benefit from State rule; dupes, who are fooled into thinking that
    State rule is in their and everyone else's interest; and cowards,
    who know the truth but are afraid to proclaim that the emperor
    has no clothes. I think we can refine Spooner's analysis and merge
    the Knave and Coward categories; after all, the renegade sellout
    confronts the carrot and the stick: the carrot of wealth,
    cushy jobs, and prestige if he goes along with the Emperor; and
    the stick of scorn, exclusion from wealth, prestige, and jobs
    – and perhaps worse – if he fails to go along. The reason
    that Reagan got away with it – in addition to his aw-shucks
    "lovability" – is that various powerful groups
    were either duped or knave-cowardly corrupted into hailing his
    alleged triumphs and deep-sixing his evident failures.

    First,
    the powerful opinion-molding media. It is conventional wisdom
    that media people are biased in favor of liberalism, No doubt.
    But that is not important, because the media, especially elite
    media who have the most to lose, are also particularly subject
    to the knave/coward syndrome. If they pander to Reaganism, they
    get the approval of the deluded masses, their customers, and they
    get the much-sought-after access to the President and to other
    big-wigs in government. And access means scoops, carefully planted
    exclusive leaks, etc. Any sort of effective opposition to the
    President means, on the other hand, loss of access; the angering
    of Reagan-deluded masses; and also the angering of their
    bosses, the owners of the press and television, who are far more
    conservative than their journalist employees.

    One
    of Reagan's most notable achievements was his emasculation of
    the liberal media because of his personal popularity with the
    masses. Note, for example, the wimpy media treatment of Iran-Contra
    as compared to their glorious attack on Watergate. If this
    is liberal media bias, then the liberals need to be saved
    from their friends.

    If
    the media were willing to go along with Reaganite duplicity and
    hokum, then so were our quasi-libertarian intellectual leaders.
    It is true of the libertarian-inclined masses as it has been always
    true of the conservative masses: they tend to be not too swift
    in the upper story. During the late 1970s, libertarian intellectuals
    and free-market economists were growing in number, but they were
    very few, and they had not yet established institutions with firm
    ties to journalistic and mass opinion. Hence, the libertarian
    mood, but not the informed thought, of the masses,
    was ready for co-optation, especially if led by a charismatic,
    beloved President.

    But
    we must not under weigh the importance of the traitorous role
    performed by quasi-libertarian intellectuals and free-market economists
    during the Reagan years. While their institutions were small and
    relatively weak, the power and consistency of libertarian thought
    had managed to bring them considerable prestige and political
    influence by 1980 – especially since they offered an attractive
    and consistent alternative to a statist system that was breaking
    down on all fronts.

    But
    talk about your Knaves! In the history of ideological movements,
    there have always been people willing to sell their souls and
    their principles. But never in history have so many sold out for
    so pitifully little. Hordes of libertarian and free-market intellectuals
    and activists rushed to Washington to whore after lousy
    little jobs, crummy little grants, and sporadic little conferences.
    It is bad enough to sell out; it is far worse to be a two-bit
    whore. And worst of all in this sickening spectacle were those
    who went into the tank without so much as a clear offer: betraying
    the values and principles of a lifetime in order to position
    themselves in hopes of being propositioned. And so they wriggled
    around the seats of power in Washington. The intellectual corruption
    spread rapidly, in proportion to the height and length of jobs
    in the Reagan Administration. Lifelong opponents of budget deficits
    remarkably began to weave sophisticated and absurd apologias,
    now that the great Reagan was piling them up, claiming, very much
    like the hated left-wing Keynesians of yore, that "deficits
    don't matter."

    Shorn
    of intellectual support, the half-formed libertarian instincts
    of the American masses remained content with Reaganite rhetoric,
    and the actual diametrically opposite policies got lost in the
    shuffle.

    Reagan's
    Legacy

    Has
    the Reagan Administration done nothing good in its eight ghastly
    years on earth, you might ask? Yes, it has done one good thing;
    it has repealed the despotic 55-mile-per-hour highway speed limit.
    And that is it.

    As
    the Gipper, at bloody long last, goes riding off into the sunset,
    he leaves us with a hideous legacy. He has succeeded in destroying
    the libertarian public mood of the late 1970's, and replaced it
    with fatuous and menacing patriotic symbols of the Nation-State,
    especially The Flag, which he first whooped up in his vacuous
    reelection campaign in 1984, aided by the unfortunate coincidence
    of the Olympics being held at Los Angeles. (Who will soon forget
    the raucous baying of the chauvinist mobs: "USA! USA!"
    every time some American came in third in some petty event?) He
    has succeeded in corrupting libertarian and free-market intellectuals
    and institutions, although in Ronnie's defense it must be noted
    that the fault lies with the corrupted and not with the corrupter.

    It
    is generally agreed by political analysts that the ideological
    mood of the public, after eight years of Reaganism, is in support
    of economic liberalism (that is, an expanded welfare state),
    and social conservatism (that is, the suppression of civil
    liberties and the theocratic outlawing of immoral behavior). And,
    on foreign policy, of course, they stand for militaristic chauvinism.
    After eight years of Ronnie, the mood of the American masses is
    to expand the goodies of the welfare-warfare state (though not
    to increase taxes to pay for these goodies), to swagger abroad
    and be very tough with nations that can't fight back, and to crack
    down on the liberties of groups they don't like or whose values
    or culture they disagree with.

    It
    is a decidedly unlovely and unlibertarian wasteland, this picture
    of America 1989, and who do we have to thank for it? Several groups:
    the neocons who organized it; the vested interests and the Power
    Elite who run it; the libertarians and free marketeers who sold
    out for it; and above all, the universally beloved Ronald Wilson
    Reagan, Who Made It Possible.

    As
    he rides off into retirement, glowing with the love of the American
    public, leaving his odious legacy behind, one wonders what this
    hallowed dimwit might possibly do in retirement that could be
    at all worthy of the rest of his political career. What very last
    triumph are we supposed to "win for the Gipper"?

    He
    has tipped his hand: I have just read that as soon as he retires,
    the Gipper will go on a banquet tour on behalf of the repeal of
    the 22nd ("Anti-Third Term") Amendment – the one
    decent thing the Republicans have accomplished. In the last four
    decades. The 22nd Amendment was a well-deserved retrospective
    slap at FDR. It is typical of the depths to which the GOP has
    fallen in the last few years that Republicans have been actually
    muttering about joining the effort to repeal this amendment. If
    they are successful, then Ronald Reagan might be elected again,
    and reelected well into the 21st century.

    In
    our age of High Tech, I'm sure that his mere physical death could
    easily have been overcome by his handlers and media mavens. Ronald
    Reagan will be suitably mummified, trotted out in front of a giant
    American flag, and some puppet master would have gotten him to
    give his winsome headshake and some ventriloquist would have imitated
    the golden tones: "We-e-ell…" (Why not? After all,
    the living reality of the last four years has not been a helluva
    lot different.)

    Perhaps,
    after all, Ronald Reagan and almost all the rest of us will finally
    get our fondest wish: the election forever and ever of the mummified
    con King Ronnie.

    Now
    there is a legacy for our descendants!"



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    « Reply #1 on: July 27, 2013, 07:43:53 PM »
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  • Can't you post a TL;DR? I really don't want to read through this whole thing, honestly.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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  • http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/conservative-con-man/

    Eight years, eight dreary, miserable, mind-numbing years, the years
    of the Age of Reagan, are at long last coming to an end. These
    years have surely left an ominous legacy for the future: we shall
    undoubtedly suffer from the after-shocks of Reaganism for years
    to come. But at least Himself will not be there, and without the
    man Reagan, without what has been called his "charisma,"
    Reaganism cannot nearly be the same. Reagan's heirs and assigns
    are a pale shadow of the Master, as we can see from the performance
    of George Bush. He might try to imitate the notes of Reagan, but
    the music just ain't there. Only this provides a glimmer of hope
    for America: that Reaganism might not survive much beyond Reagan.

    Reagan the Man

    Many recent memoirs have filled out the details of what some of us
    have long suspected: that Reagan is basically a cretin who, as
    a long-time actor, is skilled in reading his assigned lines and
    performing his assigned tasks. Donald Regan and others have commented
    on Ronald Reagan's strange passivity, his never asking questions
    or offering any ideas of his own, his willingness to wait until
    others place matters before him. Regan has also remarked that
    Reagan is happiest when following the set schedule that others
    have placed before him. The actor, having achieved at last the
    stardom that had eluded him in Hollywood, reads the lines and
    performs the action that others – his script-writers, his
    directors – have told him to follow.

    Sometimes, Reagan's retentive memory – important for an actor –
    gave his handlers trouble. Evidently lacking the capacity for
    reasoned thought, Reagan's mind is filled with anecdotes, most
    of them dead wrong, that he has soaked up over the years in the
    course of reading Reader's Digest or at idle conversation.
    Once an anecdote enters Reagan's noodle, it is set in concrete
    and impossible to correct or dislodge. (Consider, for example,
    the famous story about the "Chicago welfare queen":
    all wrong, but Reagan carried on regardless.)

    ===

    In our age of High Tech, I'm sure that his mere physical death could
    easily have been overcome by his handlers and media mavens. Ronald
    Reagan will be suitably mummified, trotted out in front of a giant
    American flag, and some puppet master would have gotten him to
    give his winsome headshake and some ventriloquist would have imitated
    the golden tones: "We-e-ell…" (Why not? After all,
    the living reality of the last four years has not been a helluva
    lot different.)

    Perhaps, after all, Ronald Reagan and almost all the rest of us will finally
    get our fondest wish: the election forever and ever of the mummified
    con King Ronnie.

    Now there is a legacy for our descendants!




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    « Reply #3 on: July 27, 2013, 10:22:33 PM »
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  • Trad Guy,

    Which portion of the article do you disagree with?

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    Trad Guy,

    Which portion of the article do you disagree with?


    Well let's see here; pretty much everything.

    His idiotic defense of free trade; his disgraceful support of social liberalism; his anarchism; his pacifism; his support of unregulated capitalism; his support of a world of no borders; his sympathy for immigrants and those of other races, etc.

    Let's face it Captain McQuigg libertarianism is contrary to any form of Catholic theology and this shows by Rothbard himself bragging that children should murder their parents so that they will "no longer be opressed."


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    « Reply #5 on: July 28, 2013, 09:03:37 PM »
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    Trad Guy,

    Which portion of the article do you disagree with?


    Well let's see here; pretty much everything.

    His idiotic defense of free trade; his disgraceful support of social liberalism; his anarchism; his pacifism; his support of unregulated capitalism; his support of a world of no borders; his sympathy for immigrants and those of other races, etc.

    Let's face it Captain McQuigg libertarianism is contrary to any form of Catholic theology and this shows by Rothbard himself bragging that children should murder their parents so that they will "no longer be opressed."


    Narrow it down.  It's a long article.  Which portion do you find most offensive?

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    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 12:49:49 AM »
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  • Rothbard favored genuine free trade, not the "managed trade" caricature of it that the neocons, whom he denounced and detested, have clearly convinced you is the genuine article. That, I fear, is one of several misapprehensions to which you adhere. Real free markets, real free trade, not only better befit human dignity but leave economic decisions in the hands of those making them, not in those of a cryptocratic elite. Remember something else Rothbard said: in a true free market, no one is making you buy anything. The decision what to get—and for what reasons to get it—is yours and yours alone.

    You can denounce Rothbard's libertarianism and philosophical anarchism until you are blue in the face. Yet the plain fact is that we, in these benighted United States of America, are not now living nor ever have lived in a Christian kingdom presided over by Saint Louis IX. In other words, instead of setting up a straw man of isms to rail against, look at the profoundly evil unitary tyranny of the government we've got—and had, albeit in an arguably less advanced form of the disease, even twenty-five-odd years ago, when Rothbard wrote this article—and then face the fact that an anarcho-syndicalist USA, whilst obviously not signaling the impending Reign of Christ, would be a place where the True Faith would have immeasurably greater potential for getting a hearing and hence making converts. (I seem to recall some farewell remarks of Our Lord before the Ascension to the effect that that's what the Apostles were to get down to doing posthaste. Their successors, alas, seem quite content to be bought off by Jєωιѕн money and to clear everything they say with one of Abe Foxman's junior henchmen.)

    Those who dwell here live and have lived under a Judaic dictatorship, amidst an utterly deluded populace that believes that it's the true ruler of this land simply because its Tribal masters allow its members to go to the polls from time to time to choose one from among several stooges that those masters have picked for this rigged game, this biennial farce. Rothbard, whatever his failings—those failings were real, they were many, and they were large, and not the least of them was his reluctance to name his fellow Jєωs as the ultimate villains of the drama of life—saw the mind-numbing venality of the American people and their society and the cardboard nature of their heroes, Reagan being the one who is the object of the lengthy polemic you wish us to cluck over.

    Count me out. Complain of Rothbard's prescriptions all you want; he remains a first-class diagnostician, probably the best these shores have seen since Tocqueville 180 years ago.

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    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 06:54:31 PM »
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    Rothbard favored genuine free trade, not the "managed trade" caricature of it that the neocons, whom he denounced and detested, have clearly convinced you is the genuine article. That, I fear, is one of several misapprehensions to which you adhere. Real free markets, real free trade, not only better befit human dignity but leave economic decisions in the hands of those making them, not in those of a cryptocratic elite. Remember something else Rothbard said: in a true free market, no one is making you buy anything. The decision what to get—and for what reasons to get it—is yours and yours alone.


    Here's something Rothbard and you other libertarians don't understand. Economics in the nation is not for the benefit of the individual but for the national body and the nation's greatness. Your form of economics and Rothbard's I might add is absolutely horrible for the worker and only helps the rich and the corporations. Protectionism leads to the nation having an advantage over those nations that do not have the same standards that we do. Even the free market left unbridled leads to the degradation of the worker and him being paid miserable wages. Your form of liberalism comes right out of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. One cannot disdain the ex-Trotskyist and Social Democratic neoconservatives and go over to another left-wing ideology. Rothbard himself did nothing except sit in a college classroom lecturing about economics, which is why he supported a system of economics which is catastrophic for the worker, as he thought he was better than his fellow man, like most intellectuals.

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    You can denounce Rothbard's libertarianism and philosophical anarchism until you are blue in the face. Yet the plain fact is that we, in these benighted United States of America, are not now living nor ever have lived in a Christian kingdom presided over by Saint Louis IX. In other words, instead of setting up a straw man of isms to rail against, look at the profoundly evil unitary tyranny of the government we've got—and had, albeit in an arguably less advanced form of the disease, even twenty-five-odd years ago, when Rothbard wrote this article—and then face the fact that an anarcho-syndicalist USA, whilst obviously not signaling the impending Reign of Christ, would be a place where the True Faith would have immeasurably greater potential for getting a hearing and hence making converts. (I seem to recall some farewell remarks of Our Lord before the Ascension to the effect that that's what the Apostles were to get down to doing posthaste. Their successors, alas, seem quite content to be bought off by Jєωιѕн money and to clear everything they say with one of Abe Foxman's junior henchmen.)


    The point of the matter is that anarchism and Rothbard's economic theories would be disasterous for a nation in question. What tyranny does Rothbard moan and graon about? No sympathy for abortionists, women who have abortions and sodomites? Do you support him saying that? No sympathy for immigrants? How about that? Like Bastiat Rothbard supports open borders. Do you agree with that? Do you think we should make drugs legal huh? Do you think war is evil? What part of Rothbard's article is good?

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    Those who dwell here live and have lived under a Judaic dictatorship, amidst an utterly deluded populace that believes that it's the true ruler of this land simply because its Tribal masters allow its members to go to the polls from time to time to choose one from among several stooges that those masters have picked for this rigged game, this biennial farce. Rothbard, whatever his failings—those failings were real, they were many, and they were large, and not the least of them was his reluctance to name his fellow Jєωs as the ultimate villains of the drama of life—saw the mind-numbing venality of the American people and their society and the cardboard nature of their heroes, Reagan being the one who is the object of the lengthy polemic you wish us to cluck over.


    Sure Reagan made plenty of mistakes but that is not the subject of this article. By the way have you ever considered that Rothbard never named Jєωs because he was one! :laugh2:

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    Count me out. Complain of Rothbard's prescriptions all you want; he remains a first-class diagnostician, probably the best these shores have seen since Tocqueville 180 years ago.


    On the contary I am glad Rothbard's ideas have never succeeded. What the hell do libertarianis have to complain about? The GOP is all for libertarian ideology and corporate interests. The GOP supports free trade just like libertarians. I guess the only thing is that the GOP is not pacifist like libertarians are.


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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 10:37:14 PM »
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    Narrow it down.  It's a long article.  Which portion do you find most offensive?


    THIS:

    "And in the bedroom, too, if Ronnie has his way. Although abortion
    is not yet illegal, it is not for lack of effort by the Reagan
    Administration. The relentless Reaganite drive to conservatize
    the judiciary will likely recriminalize abortion soon, making
    criminals out of millions of American women each year. George
    Bush, for less than twenty-four glorious hours, was moved to take
    a consistent position: if abortion is murder, then all women who
    engage in abortion are murderers. But it took only a day for his
    handlers to pull George back from the abyss of logic, and to advocate
    only criminalizing the doctors, the hired hands of the women who
    get abortions.

    Perhaps the Gipper cannot be directly blamed – but certainly he has
    set the moral climate – for the increasingly savage Puritanism
    of the 1980s: the virtual outlawry of smoking, the escalating
    prohibition of pornography, even the partial bringing back of
    Prohibition (outlawing drunken driving, raising the legal drinking
    age to 21, making bartenders – or friendly hosts – legally
    responsible for someone else's drunken driving, etc.)."

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    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 10:53:19 PM »
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  • Rothbard's a good example of why there is no such thing as a good Jєω. He says 99 things that agree with Catholics, but then he slips in that 1 thing that represents the spirit of the anti-Christ.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 30, 2013, 05:24:40 AM »
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    Rothbard's a good example of why there is no such thing as a good Jєω. He says 99 things that agree with Catholics, but then he slips in that 1 thing that represents the spirit of the anti-Christ.


    Marxists: "The proletariat have nothing to lose but your chains"
    Libertarians: "Jєωs have nothing to lose but unprofitable slaves"


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    « Reply #11 on: July 30, 2013, 09:55:27 AM »
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  • Trad Guy,

    The individual belongs to the state?  Is that your view?

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    « Reply #12 on: July 30, 2013, 10:05:03 AM »
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  • Trad Guy,

    Your statement about economics being about the national body politic and national greatness, where do you get this idea?  

    Is it simply a love of power?

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    « Reply #13 on: July 30, 2013, 11:47:07 AM »
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    Trad Guy,

    Your statement about economics being about the national body politic and national greatness, where do you get this idea?  

    Is it simply a love of power?


    In this instance I think you are being overgenerous in terming this statement of his an idea. It's nothing more than daylight madness and, as such, is unanswerable.

    His neoconnish taste for aggression is also gravely troubling (it's very Jєωιѕн, too, of course). I'd bet fifty (virtual) bucks that, like most "national greatness" types, he's never been in uniform yet expects others to do the fighting and dying for him.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 04:51:51 PM »
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  • I might root for something that isn't ideal if it has an anti-Jєωιѕн, anti-Masonic aim. But not for something like libertarianism. I've encountered few libertarians who aren't Judaized. Claudel and ascent may be two possible exceptions.