Author Topic: Rothbards idiotic defense of libertarianism (Read 5359 times)

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 30, 2013, 07:05:58 PM »

Quote from: claudel

His neoconnish taste for aggression is also gravely troubling (it's very Jєωιѕн, too, of course).

Who here is for aggression? I opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I just realize that pacifism is for those who believe in the death for a nation.

Quote

I'd bet fifty (virtual) bucks that, like most "national greatness" types, he's never been in uniform yet expects others to do the fighting and dying for him.

And I'd bet like most liberaltarian types you've never worked a day of hard manual labor in your life or lived in an apartment complex.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 30, 2013, 07:08:14 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Trad Guy,

The individual belongs to the state? Is that your view?

The individual defintely does not belong to himself. When the indivudual does thing that puts the nation in jeopardy that is what I call national ѕυιcιdє. Let us remember that this whole freedom premise and egalitarianism came out of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution. All of these people like Rothbard, Bastiat, Cobden, Smith, Kant, etc. were liberals.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 30, 2013, 07:10:20 PM »

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

Trad Guy,

Your statement about economics being about the national body politic and national greatness, where do you get this idea?

Is it simply a love of power?

No it is simple common sense. When the individual operates outside what is good for the common good he harms the majority of the group. Yoiur ideas on economics comes out of individualism, liberalism, and capitalism.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2013, 07:43:08 PM »

Traditional Guy, you and I often disagree, but these last two posts of yours were excellent. If you were closer by, I would buy you a beer. Good work.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2013, 08:37:44 PM »

Quote from: PereJoseph

Traditional Guy, you and I often disagree, but these last two posts of yours were excellent. If you were closer by, I would buy you a beer. Good work.

To borrow from Maistre, "The Constitution of 1795 and its predecessors was made for man. But there is no such thing as man in this world. In my lifetime I have known Frenchmen, Russians, Italians; and thanks to Montiesqiuie Persians. But as for man I have never in my life met him." This is the problem with this liberal ideology. This free trade and unbridled markets mentality leads to open borders so that all of mankind can taste the liberal 'fruit' so to speak. Also being anti-religious makes this liberal mentality want to make a paradise here on earth. Needless to say this paradise is only for the rich.

Speaking of which when it comes to war I would like to choke this pacifism by again borrowing from Maistre: "Now the real fruits of human nature- the arts, sciences, great enteprises, manly virtues- are due especially to a state of war...In a word we can say that blood is the manure of that plant we call genius."

Of course this is not to say I don't appreciate Captain McQuigg's anti-FDR posts and I agree with him and claudel that America is a sick nation but I have an issue with the logic they use to attack the "symptoms" so to speak. Also being right-wing I cannot accept egalitarianism or the Marxist class conflict. I just recognize the worker has the right to a liveable wage.