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Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
« on: March 30, 2022, 10:43:13 AM »
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  • Here's an article from a pro-Cannabis (and pro-Crowley) website, which features the use of cannabis by Crowley. I offer the last two paragraphs from the article. Crowley also wrote a book called 'The Psychology of Hashish':

    Aleister Crowley and the Devil's Weed | Cannabis Culture


    "Utilizing cannabis, mescaline and a variety of other substances, Crowley would create and perform mythologically imbued occult rituals, which were directed at bringing the devotees into closer contact with higher states of consciousness. He had hopes of perfecting a method which would make the mystic frame of mind available to humanity at large. Far from seeing his work as something new and novel, Crowley rightfully saw such drug induced ritualistic initiation as being part of the ancient mystery schools which had been largely suppressed by the Catholic Church at the commencement of the dark ages.

    "Considering the strong role it played in his magical techniques, it is curious to note that after Crowley wrote The Psychology of Hashish, there are only a few scattered direct references to cannabis in his writings. But with a little cross-referencing, it can be shown that cannabis use is at the core of this famed magician's most celebrated occult texts, a fact that many Crowley enthusiasts are unaware."
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2022, 12:22:40 PM »
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  • Of course the devil knows how to misuse God's gifts.


    Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29



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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #2 on: March 30, 2022, 12:27:17 PM »
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  • Of course the devil knows how to misuse God's gifts.


    Bringing forth grass for cattle, and herb for the service of men. That thou mayst bring bread out of the earth:"
    [Psalms 103:14]


    And God said: Behold I have given you every herb bearing seed upon the earth, and all trees that have in themselves seed of their own kind, to be your meat:
    Genesis 1:29


    True. What is it about cannabis, specifically, that would cause it to be misused? Why would it be misused in an occult ritual, do you think?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #3 on: March 30, 2022, 12:35:18 PM »
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  • True. What is it about cannabis, specifically, that would cause it to be misused? Why would it be misused in an occult ritual, do you think?
    You will have to ask the devil, who uses many of God's creations inappropriately. 

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #4 on: March 30, 2022, 12:41:44 PM »
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  • You will have to ask the devil, who uses many of God's creations inappropriately.

    It isn't necessary to ask the devil. The answer is obvious. Though potheads and their supporters will pretend otherwise. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #5 on: March 30, 2022, 12:48:01 PM »
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  • It isn't necessary to ask the devil. The answer is obvious. Though potheads and their supporters will pretend otherwise.
    One would think so, but alas....

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 01:22:52 PM »
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  • True. What is it about cannabis, specifically, that would cause it to be misused? Why would it be misused in an occult ritual, do you think?

    :sleep:

    They also misuse/abuse Catholic things in their rituals as well as their procreative powers.

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #7 on: March 30, 2022, 01:51:32 PM »
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  • It isn't necessary to ask the devil. The answer is obvious. Though potheads and their supporters will pretend otherwise.

    More irrational emoting (which is all you folks have) ... straw-manning everyone who simply applies the principles of Catholic moral theology as "potheads" or "supporters" (thereof).  Nobody, not even Jone, ever advocated someone becoming a "pothead" (chronic abuser of marijuana).  People have defended medical marijuana and the occasional use of a small amount to relieve anxiety and stress (the same way one might consume wine).

    This is no different than if a Prot who believed alcohol use was immoral were characterizing Catholics as "drunks and their supporters", even though Catholics do not condone drunkenness, just the moderate use of alcohol (yes, even for relaxation and recreation/merriment).

    I still await an actual RATIONAL response to the question that I have posted about explaining the morally-relevant difference between alcohol and marijuana.

    But instead you create strawmen, emote, use derogatory terms, cite "Alasdair" Crowley, etc. etc.

    It's utterly ridiculous and absurd.


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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #8 on: March 30, 2022, 02:29:08 PM »
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  • :sleep:

    They also misuse/abuse Catholic things in their rituals as well as their procreative powers.

    Yes, but it's not the same thing as using cannabis for occult ritual. For occult ritual, cannabis is used specifically for its psychoactive effect. Crowley believed that it could cause his believers to obtain altered states of consciousness. Whether cannabis really has that ability, I've no idea, but he certainly thought so.

    If you want to believe that we should not post the negative things associated with pot, that's your choice. But as long as I'm allowed to do so, I'll speak out about the negative aspects. Or as long as certain posters are on a crusade to show that pot can only be used for good, with little side effects.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #9 on: March 30, 2022, 02:38:59 PM »
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  • People have defended medical marijuana and the occasional use of a small amount to relieve anxiety and stress (the same way one might consume wine).
    The "people" here defending pot use, use that "limiting of use to" line as an end run around what they really do with pot. You are just naive, you have never even tried pot. Like I said before:

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    Let's shine a light on the real issue, for it is not medical use or two old hippies with no children smoking "to relax" in their trailer in Arizona.



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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #10 on: March 30, 2022, 05:05:29 PM »
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  • The satan-worshipping American indians used alcohol as part of their rituals, as do many witches.  I guess all alcohol should be banned, including the priest at Mass. 

    :facepalm:  You have the logic aptitude of a newt.  Please stop.


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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #11 on: March 30, 2022, 06:09:53 PM »
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  • To put a fine point on the illogic: Satanic Black Masses exist, so ban all Masses. 

    Good grief.

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    Re: Alasdair Crowley's use of Cannabis in Occult Ritual
    « Reply #12 on: March 30, 2022, 06:51:23 PM »
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  • To put a fine point on the illogic: Satanic Black Masses exist, so ban all Masses.

    Good grief.
    Protestants use Scripture, therefore, all Catholics who use Scripture are Protestants. :fryingpan: :laugh1:
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]