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Offline Mark 79

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Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2019, 10:21:20 AM »
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  • I think I'll end up responding with the Bible must be anti-semitic, too.
    Ask him if God is "antisemitic."

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #16 on: November 24, 2019, 10:29:02 AM »
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  • That one poster uses such hackneyed tropes about Catholics, he can be answered by memes. Tell him so.


    Are “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” hate?

    Only Jews are human

    “You are called men, but non-Jews are not called men.”

    Note Rabbi Shimon ben Yohai’s ruling: “…only ‘you,’ the members of the Jєωιѕн people, are called men, but non-Jews are not called men.”

    “Kill even the best of Gentiles”




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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #17 on: November 24, 2019, 10:33:14 AM »
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  • Regarding his claims about Novus Ordo sodomite presiders, I usually point out that when Catholics commit pedophilic rape they do so against Catholic morals. When rabbis commit pedophilic rape, they so with the encouragement of their "Torah" and give numerous examples from here:  http://judaism.is/pedophilia-and-sodomy.html  When they blather that the тαℓмυd and Kabbala aren't Torah, I quote the rabbis and Jєωιѕн Encyclopedia. You can use this material: http://judaism.is/torah.html


    When he blathers about Protestantism, you can use any of this material on foolish Protestant theology: http://judaism.is/neo-pharisees.html



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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #18 on: November 24, 2019, 10:35:51 AM »
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  • When he blathers about how many Catholics have killed… http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html






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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #19 on: November 24, 2019, 10:43:29 AM »
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  • Over 300 useful memes here: http://judaism.is/memes.html





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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #20 on: November 24, 2019, 11:03:57 AM »
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  • And I am sure you already know about "Christian" Zionism: http://judaism.is/christian-zionism.html

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #21 on: November 24, 2019, 01:16:40 PM »
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    The New Covenant only means that the means of salvation is now through Christ, it does not mean that the Old Testament no longer has any meaning and it is to be disregarded, we are just not to follow the parts that have to do with salvation the old way, sacrifices and ritual, and it should still be known in historical context.

    As you said, a huge bait and switch.

    There are still many prophecies yet to unfold from the Old Testament, and ALL will come to pass.

    True, but Zionists pretend that prophesies that have been fulfilled (e.g., the Abrahamic Covenant's land promises) have not yet been fulfilled. Further, they also make up prophesies (e.g., the '1½ Coming' of the "rapture") and those nonexistent prophesies will never be fulfilled.

    To say we are to disregard God's commands regarding Israel in the Old Testament, would be to say we might as well disregard the Ten Commandments and just kill, worship other gods, lie, steal, screw everyone's wife and not go to church.

    Straw man argument.  With the authority that God gave Peter in Matthew 16:18, the Ten Commandments were incorporated into the New Law, so no Catholic "disregards" the Ten Commandments. Of course, like all sinners Catholics do sin, but do not disregard, the Ten Commandments.  That is one reason why God gave us confession (John 20:23).

    In Revelation 21:12–14 the names of the twelve tribes are on the gates of the New Jerusalem, and the names of the twelve apostles are on the foundations. There it signifies the unity of the Old Testament and the New Testament people of God in the New Jerusalem. In that time, the New Jerusalem will be a real place, not just some fantasy.

    тαℓмυdic Judaism teaches that the Old Testament is suitable for women and children, that their man-made тαℓмυd supersedes the Word of God in the Old Testament. (((They))) even teach that the rabbis "defeat" God. Ask those Zionists if the names of those who "defeat" God are written on those gates. Proof texts regarding the rabbis defeating, confusing, and commanding God here and sections that follow: http://judaism.is/torah.html#megalomania

    The nation for the sealing. “Of all the tribes of the children of Israel” (Revelation 7:4). Those sealed were Jews. There are many other references to Jews and their importance to God in the New Testament.

    Smoke and noise only. The key fact is that God Himself damned the Pharisees and their followers (the "proselytes" of Matthew 23:15).  тαℓмυdic Jews boast of following the Pharisees, hence the тαℓмυdic Jews are "children of hell twofold more" than the Pharisees themselves. The Zionists pretend they absolve what God Himself damned. Proof texts that Judaism is Pharisaism here: http://judaism.is/torah.html#antibiblical
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    Ephesians 6:12 says, "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places". That doesn't have to do with Israel or Jews but it shows that every attack against them individually or as a nation is the work of Satan, plain and simple.

    Do those Zionists pretend that "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" (Apocalypse 3:9) is not allied with principalities, powers, and the rulers of darkness?

    Not pointing to anyone on here individually, but in regards to the article, I would not want to have any anti-Semetic views when I am in front of God on my judgement day. If it hurts our heart, imagine how God feels about it...

    Ask them if God is antisemitic? After all we rely upon God's judgements, not our own judgements. It is God who judged their sins as a people. It is God who damned them for violating His Laws:



    The real haters and antisemites are the people who praise and confirm тαℓмυdic Jews in their satanic anti-Christ religion and so consign тαℓмυdic Jews to hell for all eternity.



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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #22 on: November 24, 2019, 04:33:18 PM »
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  • Very satisfying to see them apoplectic from Scripture. I'll bet Holy Water sizzles their flesh.

    What else would you expect form hard-core Boomer Protestants?


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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #23 on: November 24, 2019, 04:38:38 PM »
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  • What jumps out to me is the hypocrisy of lecturing you for being anti-semitic while they are displaying bigotry and hatred toward Catholics.  They are the actual bigots in the situation.

    Of course, you're absolutely correct. 

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    These people do not sound like they are capable of being reached with reason, but, at least, it seems like you are learning something from the process of standing against their errors.

    No, the commentators are not within reason... but I know for a fact that there are others who are reading, and not commenting.  That is why I engage in this. 

    There are a few Catholics on the forum, and truth be told, one of them reached out to me a few years ago, and through that, I was able to see the light and revert back to Catholicism after getting fed up with Novus Ordo antics wherein I just stayed home and sulked for a couple of years.

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #24 on: November 24, 2019, 04:58:59 PM »
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  • FWIW, I still haven't commented on the thread yet, primarily because it's Sunday.  But there have been a few more responses, each of which gives me a little chuckle.  But at the same time, I feel sad for some of them.

    First, an agnostic piped up.  Also, Exhibit A as to why one shouldn't rely upon a science fiction writer in matters concerning the salvation of one's eternal soul.

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    "I've never been able to understand 'faith' myself, nor to see how a just God could expect his creatures to pick the one true religion out of an infinitude of false ones—by faith alone. It strikes me as a sloppy way to run an organization, whether a universe or a smaller one."
    ― Robert A. Heinlein

    Next, the the original Genesis 12:3 poster adds more.

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    The Bible says that faith "is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen".

    To use a familiar story, . . . Noah was warned by God to build a boat, . . . because it was going to rain.

    Keep in mind:

    Rain had never fallen on the earth up until that time

    There was no conceivable way he could have known about the enormity of the flood without God having given him a heads up.

    He acted "by faith" on the information he had, . . . built a boat, got food together, and believed God for the information.

    I like to use the story of Noah, . . . as it is found with minor variations in virtually all cultures that have a written history.

    It happened.

    Believing the Christian version, acting on it, accepting Christ thru faith is one option you have. Choosing one of the other versions is another option. Choosing not to believe any is also an option.

    I have chosen the Christian option because first, I have seen many personal miracles in my own life, . . . that were for me, . . . possibly me alone, . . . but were miracles in their own right.

    It will be your choice to grab one or abstain. Abstention is an automatic doom for your eternity, . . . each of the others offers a better choice.

    Choose wisely my friend.

    Um, not sure about the "rain had never fallen on earth up until that time."  That may have been the first time "rain" was mentioned in Genesis, but I would think that after the fall of man, when Adam/Eve had to fend for themselves, there had to be rain to water crops they now had to toil over?  Dunno.  

    Next, a lapsed Catholic, presumably one who fell victim to the Second Vatican Council / Novus Ordo... (to whom I can relate, but still feel sorry for...)

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    I'm a simple man who was brought up as Roman Catholic to me religion is a personal matter and I don't argue it with anyone. Religion or the various sects are as I see it man made I don't think God really cares which one you belong to but rather how you live your life and treat others. In many religions there are bad people and teachings you need to figure which are which. That's your struggle in life and the choices you make which makes you good or bad, it's that free will thing. Most of us our religion was a matter of birth or location .

    Finally, someone responds to ---^

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    It's true. Remember the WWJD? Think about Jesus' example. If you can follow it he won't mind if you follow it in this Isreal or the other one.

    What would Jesus do? That question or slogan if you will, it makes me think of Jesus as the example to measure my actions by. It reminds me how all the institutions are largely influenced by man and can include man's imperfections. So try to stay on course and focus on what Jesus was trying to accomplish.

    So, as you can see, a real hodge-podge of what I believe each have been baptized Christian. 

    And almost all of it is Happy-Dappy Jesus talk.

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #25 on: November 24, 2019, 04:59:45 PM »
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  • ... but I know for a fact that there are others who are reading, and not commenting.  That is why I engage in this.  …
    Precisely so! Reach the fence sitters — and even for the invincibly unconvincible the mere fact that they are meeting Scriptural resistance weakens them.


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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #26 on: November 24, 2019, 05:06:22 PM »
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  • Your N.O. interlocutor seems to have edited a couple of verses from his Bible:

    And He said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature shut up, don't say a word. Mark 16:15

    "Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost keep quiet." Matthew 28:19

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #27 on: November 26, 2019, 02:38:18 PM »
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  • Well, nice to see that this site is back up.  Haven't been able to log on the past few days.

    So, time for a little update.  I responded in kind, much along the same lines as was suggested here.  I won't post all of that, except where relevant. There have been a few responses.  And there seems to be a common theme tying them together: Willful ignorance.

    The names of the ignorant have been redacted.

    First one....

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    First off, just becuase you label something I said a fallacy, I know that is supposed to invalidate my argument (I got an A in debate in college, graduated with a 4.0), but in context my statements have validity.

    I never that I'm aware of, gave any inclination that I boiled the entire New Testament down to sola fide , which means by faith alone for those reading that don't know. I am fully aware of when the verses are literal, figurative, historical, and prophecy. If I ever don't know, I own a Jack VanImpe bible that codes each verse for you. Plus I have a huge concordance that I can look up the original Greek and Hebrew to learn the direct translation, hence learning the proper meaning.

    I do have to give you much credit being Catholic. My wife is also, and I have been attending Mass for years. The main gripe is they have only visited the book of Revelation once, and only two priests have talked about the rapture. I am not sure I am familiar of the 1 1/2 rapture theory you are talking about. Most Caltholics are disengaged to be completely honest regarding scripture, not a slam, just an observation in talking to them.

    "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23), yes you are correct. The only problem I have heard in the Catholic church (from members) was you need a priest to talk to God on your behalf to deal with your sin, where the bible says, "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5). Now my wife says that is not the teaching, I don't know. She says the priest and confession is just for your benefit as a mortal person to deal with it.

    I had religions of the world in college also, but I don't remember about modern-day тαℓмυdic Judaism, so I can only say in the future when that prophecy is going to come to pass, the rules will have to be different, as "Every word of God proves true" (Proverbs 30:5), so it will have to work somehow. Just because it won't right now does not invalidate my point.

    Revelation 7:4 is not "smoke and noise". Since we already know every word of God is true, this will be true in the future also. What happened in the Old Testament, does not mean that God will do the same in the New Testament, or in the future. No, I do not believe the bible is anti-semetic. I don't know where that came from.

    No, the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is of course any false professors of faith, in that time era. Just because I say something, doesn't mean it is exclusive from anything else.

    That's ridicluous, God is not anti-semetic, he alone can judge.

    So, in a nutshell, I am not slamming Catholocism, you brought it up, I merely was talking about the Jews in my original post, and the fact that the Old Testament will still have meaning and validity today and in the future, even if the way to salvation has changed.

    Second one..

    First, for the sake of context, my response to the WWJD comment in italics, and then the response:

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    Yes, what would Happy-Dappy Jesus do?

    For example, let's say you're divorced, and remarried.

    WWJD? He'd call you an adulterer, in violation of the Sixth Commandment.

    "And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery." Matthew 19:9

    Or what if you were to look at someone, not your wife, in a lustful manner?

    WWJD? Again, he'd call you an adulterer.

    "But I say to you, that whosoever shall look on a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart." Matthew 5:28

    And what if you died in the state of unrepentant mortal sin?

    WWJD? He'd throw you outside the gates of heaven to the hell fires below.

    "And the king went in to see the guests: and he saw there a man who had not on a wedding garment (i.e., not in a state of grace at the time of his specific judgment). And he saith to him: Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? But he was silent. Then the king said to the waiters: Bind his hands and feet, and cast him into the exterior darkness (i.e., hell): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen." Matthew 22:11-14

    These are but just a few examples of the simplistic WWJD moniker that most people really do not completely think through, including all of the consequences thereof.


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    I don't know a 'happy dappy' Jesus. But the Jesus I know wouldn't just throw you into the gates of hell for some of the examples you would suggest. He does offer an unlimited amount if Mercy and forgiveness to all though.

    Now sure it seems like the WWJD seems juvenile in its simplicity but at the same time not.

    Third one... same format as the one immediately above.  My response, followed by his

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    And what if you died in the state of unrepentant mortal sin?


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    If a person hasn't accepted Jesus and that his blood sacrifice covers our sin in the eyes of God the Father, unfortunately then he is doomed.

    If he is saved but sinned, then he is covered by the blood and therefore forgiven. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast". This means that God's gift of salvation is a gift, and cannot be taken back, also we did not do anything to earn it, work for it. It can only be had by faith that his blood covers you in front of God.

    Not everyone gets divorced like you say. What if your wife "puts you away" and will not reconcile? You are then free to remarry because you did not want that, and you did no sin. Plain and simple. Sometimes things fall apart and it is the man that leaves his wife, yes it is a sin, but it is covered by the blood. If are sins could not be covered, no one could get to heaven, as everyone has sinned including everyone, from the Pope down to the most C & E churchgoer.


    Doesn't get any more Protestant than that---^

    Fourth one... this one again from the original 'Genesis 12:3' poster...

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    Islam as a form of religion, . . . disregards the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, . . . and his diety.

    Buddhism follows the lead of Islam concerning Jesus.

    Jews follow the old testament, and as well disregard the diety of Jesus Christ.

    That leaves only Christianity as a means of salvation and attaining heaven for eternity.

    Within Christianity, . . . there are denominations, . . . and one large one in particular, . . . takes the diety of Jesus Christ and the teachings of Moses and throws them totally under the bus.

    1. They teach their adherents to pray to the saints, to Mary (Jesus' mother), and to disregard the following: Jesus said: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” (John 14:6) Jesus also told his faithful apostles: “Most truly I say to you, If you ask the Father for anything he will give it to you in my name.”—John 16:23.

    There is only one mediator between man and God, . . . Jesus. Not Mary, not Peter, not Jude, not Paul, . . . Jesus and Him alone.

    2. They teach their women (with no scripture to back up their teaching) that they should abandon their woman hood, . . . instead they should become menial servants to the church, . . . and to the appointed human leaders of the church. This is in total disregard to the printed teaching: 1 Timothy 5:14 (KJV) 14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

    3. They teach that it is more proper to speak in an unknown tongue during the whole service, . . . disregarding the scripture: 1 Corinthians 14:27-28 (KJV) 27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
    28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

    Without the interpretation, . . . every single latin service is in direct disregard to the commandment above.

    4. The present figurehead of said organization has as well openly stated that the LGBTQ order has full and equal rights in the church as do "straight" people. That of course is in totoal opposition to this: Romans 1:26-28 (KJV) 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    I could go on, . . . why bother, . . . the organization is totally defunct in it's own supposition of superiority above all other gatherings of true Christians, . . .

    Forgiveness of sin is the first priority of the church, . . . something Islam, Buddhism, and strict Judaism neglect by disassociating themselves with Jesus Christ.

    The second thing is then continuing in the forgiveness that can only come thru a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, . . . not the pope, not a priest, not a pastor, not any man or woman on earth, . . . only Christ, Himself. To do that, means to from that day, . . . follow the commandments of God concerning life style, actions, and words.

    Part of that life style is to obey the angels who told the disciples to quit gazing up in the sky, . . . that Jesus would come back, . . . and to be ready for His return.

    Part of His return centers totally, un-equivocally, . . . and most certainly, . . . around the Holy Land, . . . where He is prophesied to return.

    It is the Jews, . . . the final, natural, legal, and unmitigated human receivers of the rocks, dirt, rivers, and mountains Jehovah promised to Abraham and his heirs thru Isaac and Jacob and the 12 tribes of Israel.

    The church has a spiritual inheritance, . . . the Jews have a natural inheritance, . . . nothing will ever change that, . . . not some dusty old Latin books, . . . Strongs concordance, . . . or the opinion of a man who accepts Islam and Buddhism as alternate paths to eternity.

    It will be Israel and the Israelites who possess the Holy Land, . . . not some ecuмenical organization.

    And finally, the fifth one... again, my comments followed in italics followed by the response...

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    Really? So, in your opinion, the unerring word of God as contained in the Holy Bible is simply... wrong?

    "And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Matthew 16:18

    And Christ provided no instruction on how to conduct His church?

    "Going therefore, teach ye all nations*; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world." Matthew 28:19-20

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    *Except the nation-state of Israel; no need to baptize them; they're already saved. <---Things found nowhere in the Holy Bible.


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    Never said the word of God is wrong, just the written word can be interpreted by different people and come up with a different meaning . Also can be taken out of context to fit a point of view. God is a forgiving God he made us all I might be wrong but the good will not be thrown into the pits of hell no mater what religion they are.

    I've been too busy with work and other things to provide any comments.  Needless to say, I'm the only Catholic piping up on the conversation.  

    Not sure if I'll continue or not.  I could provide a comment here and there.  The scriptural reference for the need to have a priest absolve you of your sins.  The errors of sola fide and sola scriptura.  Etc.

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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
    « Reply #28 on: November 26, 2019, 04:08:06 PM »
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  • First off, just becuase you label something I said a fallacy, I know that is supposed to invalidate my argument (I got an A in debate in college, graduated with a 4.0), but in context my statements have validity.

    Providing scriptural proof texts is not merely labeling something a fallacy. Today he gets an "F."

    I never that I'm aware of, gave any inclination that I boiled the entire New Testament down to sola fide , which means by faith alone for those reading that don't know. I am fully aware of when the verses are literal, figurative, historical, and prophecy. If I ever don't know, I own a Jack VanImpe bible that codes each verse for you. Plus I have a huge concordance that I can look up the original Greek and Hebrew to learn the direct translation, hence learning the proper meaning.

    On Jack Van Impe's (and Darby's and Scofield's) private interpretations: http://judaism.is/private-interpretation.html

    I do have to give you much credit being Catholic. My wife is also, and I have been attending Mass for years. The main gripe is they have only visited the book of Revelation once, and only two priests have talked about the rapture. I am not sure I am familiar of the 1 1/2 rapture theory you are talking about. Most Caltholics are disengaged to be completely honest regarding scripture, not a slam, just an observation in talking to them.

    Complete nonsense. Catholicism is the only religion true to Scripture. Practicing Catholics are taught and study the scriptural roots of Catholicism as early as grammar school.

    "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23), yes you are correct. The only problem I have heard in the Catholic church (from members) was you need a priest to talk to God on your behalf to deal with your sin, where the bible says, "For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5). Now my wife says that is not the teaching, I don't know. She says the priest and confession is just for your benefit as a mortal person to deal with it.

    His wife is correct. He does not have a grip on the Divine origin or the role of the Sacrament of Penance.

    I had religions of the world in college also, but I don't remember about modern-day тαℓмυdic Judaism, so I can only say …

    So, he can "only say" nonsense about a subject on which he professes ignorance.

    in the future when that prophecy is going to come to pass, the rules will have to be different, as "Every word of God proves true" (Proverbs 30:5), so it will have to work somehow. Just because it won't right now does not invalidate my point.

    AND his private interpretations do not validate his point. Proverbs 30:5 does not guarantee that his misinterpretations are "fire tried" like gold.

    "Every word of God is fire tried: he is a buckler to them that hope in him." Proverbs 30:5. His "Bible" can't even get the translation correct, but he will rely on his bogus concordances.

    Revelation 7:4 is not "smoke and noise". Since we already know every word of God is true, this will be true in the future also. What happened in the Old Testament, does not mean that God will do the same in the New Testament, or in the future. No, I do not believe the bible is anti-semetic. I don't know where that came from.

    If you do not believe the Bible is antisemitic, why is quoting the Bible antisemitic?

    No, the "ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan" is of course any false professors of faith, in that time era. 

    Rubbish. Apocalyse 3:9 specifies "the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan, those who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie." That is not merely "any false professors."

    Just because I say something, doesn't mean it is exclusive from anything else.

    Incomprehensible out of context.

    That's ridicluous, God is not anti-semetic, he alone can judge.

    If you do not believe the Bible is antisemitic, why is agreeing with God and quoting God antisemitic?

    So, in a nutshell, I am not slamming Catholocism, you brought it up, I merely was talking about the Jews in my original post, and the fact that the Old Testament will still have meaning and validity today and in the future, even if the way to salvation has changed.

    The Old Testament has meaning AND the Mosaic Law is dead. What part of “made void,” “blotted out,” “set aside,” “taken away” doesn't he [want to] understand?



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    Re: Response to Genesis 12:3
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  • He does offer an unlimited amount if Mercy and forgiveness to all though.

    Oh really?  What about "…sin no more" (John 5:14, 8:11), axe laid to the root (Matthew 3:10), broken off (Romans 11:17-20), cast into the fire (Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9), condemned (Mark 16:16), cut down (Matthew 3:10), in vain do they worship me  (Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7), judgment of Hell (Matthew 23:33), shall be broken (Matthew 21:44), shall be ground into powder (Matthew 21:44), the kingdom of God shall be taken from you (Matthew 21:43), woe (Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 52), wrath (Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; John 3:36; Romans 2:5; I Thessalonians 2:16), the Jews' house shall be left desolate (Matthew 23:3 ), the Jews do not enter the kingdom of Heaven (Matthew 23:13), et al.