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Offline Traditional Guy 20

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Republicans outght to be proud...
« on: February 24, 2013, 05:46:51 AM »
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  • Out of all of their failures, they can boast of one major accomplishment, the de-industrialization that they and the Democrats put in full swing under NAFTA. Of course the free trade Republicans were all applauding like robots when Obama mentioned "free trade." :rolleyes:

    http://www.humanevents.com/2013/02/19/patrick-buchanan-who-killed-the-middle-class/

    "It is our generation’s task, then, to reignite the true engine of America’s economic growth — a rising, thriving middle class.”

    So said Barack Obama in his State of the Union.

    And for one of his ideas to reignite that engine, Republicans applauded.

    “And tonight, I am announcing that we will launch talks on a comprehensive Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership with the European Union — because trade that is free and fair across the Atlantic supports millions of good-paying American jobs.”

    One wonders if any of those in the hall who rose robotically at the phrase “free and fair” were aware of the trade results just in from 2012.

    What were the 2012 figures for the European Union?

    U.S. exports to Europe fell, imports from Europe rose, and our trade deficit with the EU shot up 16 percent to $116 billion.

    We ran a trade deficit with Italy of $20 billion, with Ireland of $25 billion, with Germany of $60 billion. The Europeans are eating our lunch.

    What about South Korea, the country with whom we signed a free-trade deal in 2012?

    U.S. exports to Korea fell last year, and due to a surge in imports our trade deficit in goods with South Korea soared 25 percent to $16.6 billion.

    Seoul’s trade minister who cut that deal and cleaned our clock should get a medal and the kind of bonus Americans reserve for people like hedge fund managers and the folks who ran Fannie and Freddie.

    And Japan? Last year, Nippon ran a $76 billion trade surplus with the United States, second largest of any country.

    But that is insufficient for Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who has bullied the Bank of Japan to drive down the yen 20 percent against the dollar in three months — to increase exports to America and cut imports.

    Look for the U.S. trade deficit with Tokyo to explode.

    What about that NAFTA treaty the establishments of both parties heralded in the Clinton era? How has that worked out for Uncle Sam?

    Last year, the United States ran a trade deficit of $32 billion with Canada and twice that, $61 billion, with Mexico.

    What was America’s overall trade position in 2012?

    We ran a global trade deficit in goods of $736 billion. That is 5 percent of the U.S. economy. We are hemorrhaging jobs, factories, wealth.

    In banking, consulting, lawyering — i.e., services — we had a nice surplus. That’s what we Americans do now.

    Since Bush 1, when some of us began to argue loudly that a mindless ideological pursuit of free trade would imperil America’s industrial base, the total of U.S. trade deficits in goods with the world is approaching $10 trillion — 10 thousand billion dollars!

    Might this humongous dumping of foreign goods into the U.S.A., killing our factories, and the liberation of our transnational elite to close plants, outsource production, and bring foreign-made goods back free of charge into the U.S. market, have had something to do with killing the middle class?

    The U.S. median income stopped growing in the mid-1970s, the same time we began to run 40 straight years of ever-expanding trade deficits.

    And how are we doing with China?

    Well, if one reads the weekend Wall Street Journal, Feb. 9-10, on page A3 in the lower left-hand corner is a box with a story headlined, “Trade Gap Shrinks 21 Percent as Oil Imports Decline.”

    A positive headline, but about December only. In the 10th paragraph, however, was this tiny item: “Although the trade deficit with China narrowed 15.5 percent in December … the year-long deficit grew to a record.”

    “Grew to a record”? What did that mean?

    Elsewhere, one learns that the U.S. trade deficit in goods with China was not only an all-time record, but the largest between any two nations in the history of the world — $315 billion.

    China now exports 6.3 times as much in manufactured goods to the United States, $417 billion’s worth, as we export to China.

    Over two decades, Republicans in the lead, America granted Beijing most favored nation status, then permanent normal trade relations. Then we squired Beijing into the World Trade Organization.

    And since the courtship began, the trade surpluses China has run with the United States have enriched, empowered and emboldened her so that, today, brimming with ethnonational arrogance, China has laid claim to all the islands in the South and East China seas and is telling the U.S. Navy to stay out of the Yellow Sea and Formosa Strait.

    And the free-trade fanatics responsible for building up this Asian colossus challenging us in the Pacific now tell us we must “pivot” — i.e., shift — our planes, ships and troops out of Europe and the Mideast to Asia and the Western Pacific to contain the mighty and mammoth power their stupidity created.

    Every nation seems to understand what our baby boomers were never taught. A trade balance is a measure of national power that reliably identifies rising and falling nations.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 04:41:45 PM »
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  • Good post and reminder that the republicans are not friends to traditionalists. Economically, socially, politically legislating like statist barbarians. I am sure we can all recall our fellow parishioners giddy up and go for the Mormon clown puppet who was "running" against Barry Sotero. That's the problem: too many vote for the guy with an 'r' next to his name. Look what that has gotten us: more porn, more abortion, more divorce, more birth control, more war, more wrecked families(due to material aspirations), and a destroyed economic infrastructure. Atheistic Democracy/Representative Republicanism is revolting.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 07:14:23 PM »
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  • Actually in some fields Republicans are not 'statist' enough in terms of the regulation of the culture and the taxes and regulations to curb free trade towards protectionism. Despite the outcry of our present-day spirutual libertarian fighters it is much better that the taxes comes from imports than from a man's income.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 07:50:42 PM »
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  • Quote from: Spork
    Good post and reminder that the republicans are not friends to traditionalists. Economically, socially, politically legislating like statist barbarians. I am sure we can all recall our fellow parishioners giddy up and go for the Mormon clown puppet who was "running" against Barry Sotero. That's the problem: too many vote for the guy with an 'r' next to his name. Look what that has gotten us: more porn, more abortion, more divorce, more birth control, more war, more wrecked families(due to material aspirations), and a destroyed economic infrastructure. Atheistic Democracy/Representative Republicanism is revolting.


    Amen.

    The whole problem of the conservative movement is that devout people support those who pay their values perfunctory lip service while stabbing them in the back.

    It is worse than useless.  It leads inevitably to so-called "traditional" people consenting to outrages that they never would have accepted (and that the transgressors wouldn't have attempted) in the past.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 09:52:55 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Actually in some fields Republicans are not 'statist' enough in terms of the regulation of the culture and the taxes and regulations to curb free trade towards protectionism. Despite the outcry of our present-day spirutual libertarian fighters it is much better that the taxes comes from imports than from a man's income.


    Interesting.  You an I have disagreed vigorously at times, but when you post on matters like this, I find I agree with you almost completely.  
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    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2013, 10:12:05 AM »
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  • There's no other way to put it.  Republicans are statists too!  

    They also lie about their support of traditional causes but we're stuck in a system of statists who despise Catholicism vs. statists who take Catholics for fools and get away with it!

    If Republicans cared about outlawing abortion, then why aren't there a whole slew of failed laws that they at least tried to get passed?




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    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2013, 02:30:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    There's no other way to put it.  Republicans are statists too!  

    They also lie about their support of traditional causes but we're stuck in a system of statists who despise Catholicism vs. statists who take Catholics for fools and get away with it!

    If Republicans cared about outlawing abortion, then why aren't there a whole slew of failed laws that they at least tried to get passed?


    Hmm the GOP sure doesn't mind speaking of "freedom" when they send manufactoring jobs to China, Mexico, South Korea, the EU, etc. What working-class man in their right mind would vote for a party that supports free trade?

    Some of the biggest liberals like FDR and Wilson were staunch free-traders.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 04:55:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    There's no other way to put it.  Republicans are statists too!  

    They also lie about their support of traditional causes but we're stuck in a system of statists who despise Catholicism vs. statists who take Catholics for fools and get away with it!

    If Republicans cared about outlawing abortion, then why aren't there a whole slew of failed laws that they at least tried to get passed?


    Hmm the GOP sure doesn't mind speaking of "freedom" when they send manufactoring jobs to China, Mexico, South Korea, the EU, etc. What working-class man in their right mind would vote for a party that supports free trade?

    Some of the biggest liberals like FDR and Wilson were staunch free-traders.


    You did notice that FDR and Wilson were democrats, right?  I'm not sure either of those wretched souls ever referred to "free trade" and they both lied us into useless wars.  (I'm still wracking my brains as to what WW I was all about - other than to destroy the remaining Catholic monarchies).

    The point I'm making is that neither party is looking out for the manufacturing base.  

    Maybe the way the Republicans lie to conservatives about opposing abortion, the democratic party lies about looking out for the working man.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 25, 2013, 06:30:49 PM »
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    You did notice that FDR and Wilson were democrats, right?


    Of course and they were liberals as well. My point is that free trade is liberal. Wilson and FDR both practiced free trade, while protectionism was the conservative system. Even Karl Marx admitted that.

    Yes I agree both Wilson and FDR got us into World War I and World War II. It is well known now though that FDR absolutely had to divert attention to foreign policy because of his own economic failures of the New Deal. As for Wilson he started out as being against World War I but after he got rid of Bryan in his cabinet his other advisors "advised" him on ways to go to war.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 25, 2013, 06:45:29 PM »
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  • Speaking of which here's another famous supporter of free-trade who lied us into a war over the lies about WMDs, ties to Al-Qaeda, etc. :wink:


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    « Reply #10 on: February 25, 2013, 10:43:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Traditional Guy 20
    Out of all of their failures, they can boast of one major accomplishment, the de-industrialization that they and the Democrats put in full swing under NAFTA. Of course the free trade Republicans were all applauding like robots when Obama mentioned "free trade." :rolleyes:


    Another GOP "great accomplishment" was putting the skull of the citizen under the foot of the government via the Patriot Act.


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    « Reply #11 on: February 26, 2013, 10:55:19 PM »
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  • Paul Craig Roberts put it like this, as america offshores jobs, it loses its middle class, which means, not only does government lose tax revenue, but it also means that americans consume less and less.  As i recall, 70% of our economy is consumption.  So, offshoring is literally depressing the economy.  




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    « Reply #12 on: February 26, 2013, 11:01:56 PM »
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  • "The U.S. median income stopped growing in the mid-1970s, the same time we began to run 40 straight years of ever-expanding trade deficits."

    ~pjb, from the opening post


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    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2013, 06:06:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Renzo
    "The U.S. median income stopped growing in the mid-1970s, the same time we began to run 40 straight years of ever-expanding trade deficits."

    ~pjb, from the opening post


    The worker's income has fallen rapidly. If workers do not want jobs shipped overseas they have to accept horrible wages in their own country. That is because of the greed of Washington and Corporate Street.