Author Topic: Report on my 2 days of activism (Read 4604 times)

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #15 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:21:18 AM »

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There's nothing I can personally do about the situation, but pray that this horrible time comes to an expedient end.

Which does not mean that we cannot continue to do research on the matter.

Of course! In fact, I wholly encourage it! If you can get a hold of "Paul Williams" or Father Villa, go to the National Archives, the State Department Archives... whatever you want, DO IT! If there's actual hard evidence out there to support this, I would absolutely LOVE to know it, as every other Catholic in the entire world.

Thursday · « **Reply #16 on:** June 08, 2011, 08:31:42 AM »

It's true we don't know exactly what happened. I find the Siri story fascinating enough to be interesting to even the most disinterested of Catholics.

In a way, I'm using the Siri story because it is a bit sensational and it can be explained in about 8 seconds. Try explaining the fact that Pius V had a papal bull in 1507 to your average Catholic and see how fast their eyes gloss over.

Or try explaining the second vatican council... it's too boring!

In short the film has to be marketable.

roscoe · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2011, 04:59:42 PM »

I would like very much to thank Thurs for keeping this on the front burner. MO is that because Williams is not Catholic, he did not understand the significance of the info in his book. Later he was told to shut up and has done so.

The Siri and Rampolla episodes have certain things in common. One is that Mr Vennari is involved in dismissing both of these great men of the Church. Not only that but along with Mrs Engel, he has scandalised Card Raphael and therefore Pius X as well. His assessment of the 1958 election cannot be trusted.

PFT's demand for absolute proof of the Siri election is quite unreasonable as none of us was there. I agree that it ' doesn't take Sherlock Holmes' to figure out what happened.

roscoe · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2011, 05:05:57 PM »

Mr Hobson is not perfect but describing him as a 'pathological liar and horrible detractor' who is 'completely devoid of credibility' is way off the charts. MO is that a vitriolic attack on him in this way Adds to his credibility.

More info

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Articles.htm

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:29:31 PM »

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Mr Hobson is not perfect but describing him as a 'pathological liar and horrible detractor' who is 'completely devoid of credibility' is way off the charts. MO is that a vitriolic attack on him in this way Adds to his credibility.

More info

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Articles.htm

Have you had any personal dealings with Mr. Hobgoblin, Roscoe? I doubt it.

roscoe · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:47:30 PM »

Excepting that he emailed me a couple of times, no-- I have not.

Is the following a correct interpretation of events as far as U can tell?

Someone in Rome informed the FBI that Cardinal Siri was elected Pope.

roscoe · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2011, 06:56:24 PM »

OK -- I got out the book again and it was an informant for our State dept that relayed the report to Wash. Here is what i cannot comprende-- what would be the purpose in making up a story that Card Siri was elected Pope if he was not?

roscoe · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:25:16 PM »

Is PFT saying then that the entire scenario of the election of Siri is completely in the mind( for whatever reason) of Williams and there was never any report filed from Rome to Wash?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2011, 07:30:06 PM »

Thursday,

So how are you claiming the post-vcii popes were "imposters"? Didn't Siri himself recognize them all as true popes?

Thanks!

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2011, 10:53:42 PM »

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Is PFT saying then that the entire scenario of the election of Siri is completely in the mind( for whatever reason) of Williams and there was never any report filed from Rome to Wash?

No, and if you paid any attention to anything I've said, that's not the case, Roscoe. "Paul Williams" is not a credible source, as he has fake citations in his book related to the supposed "secret declassified docuмents" as they don't exist the way he cited them. When repeatedly asked about them through multiple avenues of communication, he flat out refuses to respond to any questions about them. And so, I think that since these docuмents he supposedly saw are improperly cited so that no one else can see them, I tend to believe he's full of bologna. That's not to say that other sources may be accurate, but we have no hard evidence attributed to him at all. I would believe Father Martin before I would believe the anti-catholic "Paul Williams."

roscoe · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2011, 11:46:14 PM »

I have already responded to the above scenario. I believe Williams-- as a non catholic-- didn't understand the significance of the info he released and has since been intimidated into silence. There are many other sources for the story-- this makes the State Dept report quite poss. One source for the story that I do not trust is M Martin-- or whoever he is.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #26 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:44:41 AM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Quote from: roscoe
Mr Hobson is not perfect but describing him as a 'pathological liar and horrible detractor' who is 'completely devoid of credibility' is way off the charts. MO is that a vitriolic attack on him in this way Adds to his credibility.

More info

http://www.eclipseofthechurch.com/Articles.htm

Have you had any personal dealings with Mr. Hobgoblin, Roscoe? I doubt it.

Roscoe and Hobson have something in common. They both use the word "Jansenist" alot.

:scratchchin:

Darcy · « **Reply #27 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:56:34 AM »

Hi Thursday,
Great going!

Why don't you contact Mel?

Thursday · « **Reply #28 on:** June 09, 2011, 02:54:39 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Thursday,

So how are you claiming the post-vcii popes were "imposters"? Didn't Siri himself recognize them all as true popes?

Thanks!

He recognized them publically but what choice did he have?, if he started claiming that he himself was pope I think he would have quickly died of a heart attack (as in John Paul I).

In 1963 while making a speech defending the primacy of Peter he collapsed on the spot and was taken to the hospital.

I think it is fair to assume that he tried to stay in a position of influence, along with Cardinal Ottiavanni in order to do damage control. Franco Bellegrandi says so in his book Nakita Roncalli.

Also, if he was indeed elected and accepted the office as I think he did, he would have to go through a very public ceremony in order to abdicate.

Another point to consider is that (according to Robert Bellarmine) a heretic cannot be elected pope. In the past individuals who were weak were elected so that they could be easily controlled, but when they became pope and inspired by the Holy Ghost their plans faltered. Therefore in order to get a heretic in the throne of St. Peter they would have to elect a man and then prevent him from the throne, so that the usurper would be free of the influence of the Holy Ghost.

Thursday · « **Reply #29 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:09:21 PM »

Quote from: Darcy

Hi Thursday,
Great going!

Why don't you contact Mel?

Do you have his e-mail? :scratchchin: